The Kid in my son's class

lola_skyelola_skye Posts: 21,328
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There's a boy in my 6 year old sons class who's bad behaviour is disrupting my son and class mates learning and atmosphere in the classroom.
So far this child had been suspended twice once for hitting a teacher and the other for tearing up books in the school library. His behaviour is so bad from what my sons and other parents children has said, he even threw a rock at another boys head for n reason and didn't even get suspended. I know it's not behavioural problems because there's a girl in the class with ADHD but even she behaves better although her mother said she was getting worried because she fears that her daughter may start copying this boy, plus the boy's parents is one of these hippy PC types that say that their child should be free to express themselves. The whole class missed their afternoon break as punishment because of this boy.
I've tried talking to the teacher like other parents but whilst she sympathises she can't do anything. What shall we do next? The headteacher is hardly there. Another parent suggested contacting the council.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 6,683
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    To me, that's life - there will always be people to disrupt things in life, I would guess the school are doing what they can within their authority to deal with the boy.

    If the problem persists, I'd consider changing schools but I'd imagine there'd still be kids like this.

    On the flip side, if the disruptive boy was your Son, how would you want them to deal with him? :)
  • NaturalDancerNaturalDancer Posts: 5,150
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    lola_skye wrote: »
    There's a boy in my 6 year old sons class who's bad behaviour is disrupting my son and class mates learning and atmosphere in the classroom.
    So far this child had been suspended twice once for hitting a teacher and the other for tearing up books in the school library. His behaviour is so bad from what my sons and other parents children has said, he even threw a rock at another boys head for n reason and didn't even get suspended. I know it's not behavioural problems because there's a girl in the class with ADHD but even she behaves better although her mother said she was getting worried because she fears that her daughter may start copying this boy, plus the boy's parents is one of these hippy PC types that say that their child should be free to express themselves. The whole class missed their afternoon break as punishment because of this boy.
    I've tried talking to the teacher like other parents but whilst she sympathises she can't do anything. What shall we do next? The headteacher is hardly there. Another parent suggested contacting the council.

    People like that annoy me so much. >:( It's great letting kids express themselves but it shouldn't be to the detriment of other children's education (or enjoyment of some event or other as does happen to). I don't know what the council could do in this case. Perhaps getting up a petition for something to be done to address the problem. Is there a Board of Governors at the school? find out and see if you can get others to join you to talk to them or send them the petition if you go down that route.
  • stud u likestud u like Posts: 42,100
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    Such is life. The poor child is obviously not having his needs addressed.
  • seacamseacam Posts: 21,364
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    lola_skye wrote: »
    There's a boy in my 6 year old sons class who's bad behaviour is disrupting my son and class mates learning and atmosphere in the classroom.
    So far this child had been suspended twice once for hitting a teacher and the other for tearing up books in the school library. His behaviour is so bad from what my sons and other parents children has said, he even threw a rock at another boys head for n reason and didn't even get suspended. I know it's not behavioural problems because there's a girl in the class with ADHD but even she behaves better although her mother said she was getting worried because she fears that her daughter may start copying this boy, plus the boy's parents is one of these hippy PC types that say that their child should be free to express themselves. The whole class missed their afternoon break as punishment because of this boy.
    I've tried talking to the teacher like other parents but whilst she sympathises she can't do anything. What shall we do next? The headteacher is hardly there. Another parent suggested contacting the council.
    So this kid is throwing rocks, tearing up books and possibly other things and you don't think or you know there aren't behavioural issues, really!?

    And you also know that the parents are hippy type and have said their child should be free to express himself, yes all kids should be allowed that to a degree but I'm damn sure the parents never said or agreed that free expression includes their little darling throwing rocks.

    And I don't believe for one moment any nursery school into days society would punish a whole class because of the behaviour of one sprog,---aside from which I'm damn sure it's illegal,---or at least should be so there is more to that incident then your saying.

    If a child is disruptive and there can be nothing worse then that and unsettling for other children it's for the school to come up with a solution.

    The solution is for the other children to befriend that child, they are natural behavioural specialists and when an unpopular child is liked, watch them bloom and pull their socks.

    So what is the issue here with you and others, are you/they snobs, is the kid a Muslim, an immigrant, black, gypo, try be honest with yourself instead of the crap you have just spouted on this your thread.
  • dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,515
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    seacam wrote: »
    So this kid is throwing rocks, tearing up books and possibly other things and you don't think or you know there aren't behavioural issues, really!?

    And you also know that the parents are hippy type and have said their child should be free to express himself, yes all kids should be allowed that to a degree but I'm damn sure the parents never said or agreed that free expression includes their little darling throwing rocks.

    And I don't believe for one moment any nursery school into days society would punish a whole class because of the behaviour of one sprog,---aside from which I'm damn sure it's illegal,---or at least should be so there is more to that incident then your saying.

    If a child is disruptive and there can be nothing worse then that and unsettling for other children it's for the school to come up with a solution.

    The solution is for the other children to befriend that child, they are natural behavioural specialists and when an unpopular child is liked, watch them bloom and pull their socks.

    So what is the issue here with you and others, are you/they snobs, is the kid a Muslim, an immigrant, black, gypo, try be honest with yourself instead of the crap you have just spouted on this your thread.

    A comedian ha ha.

    Some kids can be just little sh*ts for no reason, might be different at home.
  • hunter23hunter23 Posts: 3,097
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    get your son to move class?
  • eluf38eluf38 Posts: 4,874
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    seacam wrote: »
    So this kid is throwing rocks, tearing up books and possibly other things and you don't think or you know there aren't behavioural issues, really!?

    And you also know that the parents are hippy type and have said their child should be free to express himself, yes all kids should be allowed that to a degree but I'm damn sure the parents never said or agreed that free expression includes their little darling throwing rocks.

    And I don't believe for one moment any nursery school into days society would punish a whole class because of the behaviour of one sprog,---aside from which I'm damn sure it's illegal,---or at least should be so there is more to that incident then your saying.

    If a child is disruptive and there can be nothing worse then that and unsettling for other children it's for the school to come up with a solution.

    The solution is for the other children to befriend that child, they are natural behavioural specialists and when an unpopular child is liked, watch them bloom and pull their socks.

    So what is the issue here with you and others, are you/they snobs, is the kid a Muslim, an immigrant, black, gypo, try be honest with yourself instead of the crap you have just spouted on this your thread.

    Woah, what's with the last paragraph? Totally uncalled for. Sadly some parents do just abdicate responsibility for their child's behaviour. I once taught a boy who, in the words of a psychologist, behaved like a 2 year old. Crawling under desks, smashing windows, constant disruption. He was 11. His mum's response was that any form of punishment was against his rights. Some children are just badly brought up by poor parents. Some are raised well but are badly behaved anyway. I can well believe the OP isn't exaggerating.
  • seacamseacam Posts: 21,364
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    dearmrman wrote: »
    A comedian ha ha.

    Some kids can be just little sh*ts for no reason, might be different at home.

    A little sh*t doing the above,---there is a reason and he/she is feeling it.
  • dearmrmandearmrman Posts: 21,515
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    seacam wrote: »
    A little sh*t doing the above,---there is a reason and he/she is feeling it.

    Never mind perhaps they should move school then and find somewhere they can express themselves...sounds like that would be best for everyone...an environment better suited for this child's needs.
  • BluescopeBluescope Posts: 3,432
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    Just me but the bloody obvious thing to do is contact the school and let them know. If the head teacher is not around the deputy head will be or at least someone will have to answer the phone. then explain the problem and ask to have a meeting with headmaster.

    While I do understand parents reactions you do at least need to give the school the chance to look into the problem or for them to give their side before you run off to the council with their issue. How would you like if someone report you to social services over every minor detail about your kids without first coming to speak to you about ? At least given them a chance to deal with the problem.
  • academiaacademia Posts: 18,225
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    lola_skye wrote: »
    There's a boy in my 6 year old sons class who's bad behaviour is disrupting my son and class mates learning and atmosphere in the classroom.
    So far this child had been suspended twice once for hitting a teacher and the other for tearing up books in the school library. His behaviour is so bad from what my sons and other parents children has said, he even threw a rock at another boys head for n reason and didn't even get suspended. I know it's not behavioural problems because there's a girl in the class with ADHD but even she behaves better although her mother said she was getting worried because she fears that her daughter may start copying this boy, plus the boy's parents is one of these hippy PC types that say that their child should be free to express themselves. The whole class missed their afternoon break as punishment because of this boy.
    I've tried talking to the teacher like other parents but whilst she sympathises she can't do anything. What shall we do next? The headteacher is hardly there. Another parent suggested contacting the council.

    Go to the education authority directly - get as much support from other parents as you can. Document incidents and the school's response
  • Galaxy266Galaxy266 Posts: 7,049
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    Make an appointment to see the headteacher; it's their job to be there to deal with problems and if they aren't available then there's something seriously wrong.

    If you still don't get anywhere then you need to complain to the Board of Governors. Normally there will be at least one parent/governor on the board; you could find out who it is then speak to them.
  • HP.80 VictorHP.80 Victor Posts: 1,118
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    Needs a good walloping with a vinegar hardened plimsoll and/or locking in a cupboard for a while. It worked wonders with the disruptive divvy kids back when I was at school.
  • seacamseacam Posts: 21,364
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    eluf38 wrote: »
    Woah, what's with the last paragraph? Totally uncalled for. Sadly some parents do just abdicate responsibility for their child's behaviour. I once taught a boy who, in the words of a psychologist, behaved like a 2 year old. Crawling under desks, smashing windows, constant disruption. He was 11. His mum's response was that any form of punishment was against his rights. Some children are just badly brought up by poor parents. Some are raised well but are badly behaved anyway. I can well believe the OP isn't exaggerating.
    I know this and there clearly is a reason/s for this child's behaviour. Just remember this kid is 5 or 6, not an 11 year old hell bent on simply being a disruptive sh*t and knowing it.
  • lola_skyelola_skye Posts: 21,328
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    seacam wrote: »
    So this kid is throwing rocks, tearing up books and possibly other things and you don't think or you know there aren't behavioural issues, really!?

    And you also know that the parents are hippy type and have said their child should be free to express himself, yes all kids should be allowed that to a degree but I'm damn sure the parents never said or agreed that free expression includes their little darling throwing rocks.

    And I don't believe for one moment any nursery school into days society would punish a whole class because of the behaviour of one sprog,---aside from which I'm damn sure it's illegal,---or at least should be so there is more to that incident then your saying.

    If a child is disruptive and there can be nothing worse then that and unsettling for other children it's for the school to come up with a solution.

    The solution is for the other children to befriend that child, they are natural behavioural specialists and when an unpopular child is liked, watch them bloom and pull their socks.

    So what is the issue here with you and others, are you/they snobs, is the kid a Muslim, an immigrant, black, gypo, try be honest with yourself instead of the crap you have just spouted on this your thread.

    Why am I a snob because I care about my sons wellbeing at school? If you must know they go to an ordinary school and we don't look down on anyone, we're just sick to death of him getting away with murder and his parents not addressing it.
    The little boy in question is not from any ethnic background and I don't think he belongs to any religion.
    This boy has friends when he does actually behave can be very nice. I personally think it's lack of disaplin because if my son did that I'd be mortified and won't make any excuse for him, I'd also let other parents know if he had behavoirial problems too
  • 2shy20072shy2007 Posts: 52,579
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    " the boy's parents is one of these hippy PC types "

    It seems as if you have made up your mind over the family, what is a hippy pc type when it's at home?

    The child has behavioural problems, no denying it, and needs support not people looking down on his parents, I hope he gets that support so that he and the other pupils can learn in a calmer environment, poor little chap.
  • NodgerNodger Posts: 6,668
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    Needs a good walloping with a vinegar hardened plimsoll and/or locking in a cupboard for a while. It worked wonders with the disruptive divvy kids back when I was at school.

    ......aaaaaaaaaand cue chastisement, shouldn't be long.
  • seacamseacam Posts: 21,364
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    lola_skye wrote: »
    Why am I a snob because I care about my sons wellbeing at school? If you must know they go to an ordinary school and we don't look down on anyone, we're just sick to death of him getting away with murder and his parents not addressing it.
    The little boy in question is not from any ethnic background and I don't think he belongs to any religion.
    This boy has friends when he does actually behave can be very nice. I personally think it's lack of disaplin because if my son did that I'd be mortified and won't make any excuse for him, I'd also let other parents know if he had behavoirial problems too
    You are not getting it are you?

    It's adults that are the problem the kid's behaviour is the end result.
  • 2shy20072shy2007 Posts: 52,579
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    Needs a good walloping with a vinegar hardened plimsoll and/or locking in a cupboard for a while. It worked wonders with the disruptive divvy kids back when I was at school.

    Well thank goodness we have moved on from these days, children with behavioural problems are now treated a lot better than being called' divvy' that's for sure the child needs help not locking up. special needs children and those with other problems are generally helped in primary with extra TA help and support, with this the child may well flourish.
  • eluf38eluf38 Posts: 4,874
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    seacam wrote: »
    I know this and there clearly is a reason/s for this child's behaviour. Just remember this kid is 5 or 6, not an 11 year old hell bent on simply being a disruptive sh*t and knowing it.

    I still don't understand why you accused the OP of being a snob or being predudiced by his ethnicity / religion? Your last paragraph just seemed unnecessarily harsh IMO.
  • Toby LaRhoneToby LaRhone Posts: 12,916
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    eluf38 wrote: »
    I still don't understand why you accused the OP of being a snob or being predudiced by his ethnicity / religion? Your last paragraph just seemed unnecessarily harsh IMO.

    More of an ignorant remark than a harsh one.
  • seacamseacam Posts: 21,364
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    eluf38 wrote: »
    I still don't understand why you accused the OP of being a snob or being predudiced by his ethnicity / religion? Your last paragraph just seemed unnecessarily harsh IMO.

    Well the statement " one of those hippy types " led me to ask questions, perhaps direct, not harsh, I make no apology.
  • seacamseacam Posts: 21,364
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    More of an ignorant remark than a harsh one.
    Apology accepted.
  • Toby LaRhoneToby LaRhone Posts: 12,916
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    seacam wrote: »
    Apology accepted.

    Ignorant and unoriginal.
  • eluf38eluf38 Posts: 4,874
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    seacam wrote: »
    Well the statement " one of those hippy types " led me to ask questions, perhaps direct, not harsh, I make no apology.

    Well your choice of words makes you sound as ignorant as the OP. Pot, meet kettle!

    OP speak to the head/ deputy. If a teacher has been attacked they WILL be doing something to manage his behaviour, but sadly there is no magic wand they can wave to fix things overnight. I've known children with statements, TA and psychologist support - and they still disrupted lessons.
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