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Terrible Episode full of plot holes!
zexstream
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Sorry but this episode is full of too many holes for me.
We have the doctors future companion as a Dalek.
Why did the Daleks need the Doctors help? To Destroy Their own Asylum Planet?
The Daleks had previously been wiped out and yet by magic they reappear.
The Doctor is supposed to be dead to the world and yet here is is running around the universe found by extinct Daleks.
The Doctor`s Future Dead Companion manages to wipe the mind of the Daleks so they forget who he is? How does that work, why not programme them to be good little Daleks?
The Daleks know there is a intruder when the Doctor teleports onto their ship but failed to notice the blue Police Box sat in the corner?
What happened to Rory and Amy? Did they get the nano-bites removed or are we supposed to forget that?
Way to many plot holes for me.
We have the doctors future companion as a Dalek.
Why did the Daleks need the Doctors help? To Destroy Their own Asylum Planet?
The Daleks had previously been wiped out and yet by magic they reappear.
The Doctor is supposed to be dead to the world and yet here is is running around the universe found by extinct Daleks.
The Doctor`s Future Dead Companion manages to wipe the mind of the Daleks so they forget who he is? How does that work, why not programme them to be good little Daleks?
The Daleks know there is a intruder when the Doctor teleports onto their ship but failed to notice the blue Police Box sat in the corner?
What happened to Rory and Amy? Did they get the nano-bites removed or are we supposed to forget that?
Way to many plot holes for me.
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You are aware that theres a dedicated episode discussion thread where you can bring up these points yes??
- Not a plot hole. A potential plot point.
Why did the Daleks need the Doctors help? To Destroy Their own Asylum Planet?
- Explained in-episode.
The Daleks had previously been wiped out and yet by magic they reappear.
- Yep, no more Daleks in Doctor Who ever. Obviously.
The Doctor is supposed to be dead to the world and yet here is is running around the universe found by extinct Daleks.
- Explained IN THE FIRST SCENE.
The Doctor`s Future Dead Companion manages to wipe the mind of the Daleks so they forget who he is? How does that work, why not programme them to be good little Daleks?
- We don't know how much could be changed. Wiping a block of data as opposed to reprogramming..
The Dalek know there is a intruder when the Doctor teleports onto their ship but failed to notice the blue Police Box sat in the corner?
- The TARDIS was there AT THE START.
What happened to Rory and Amy? Did they get the nano-bites removed or are we supposed to forget that?
- They both had wrist bands.
Way to many plot holes for me.
- Were you typing up this list instead of watching and listening?
We have the doctors future companion as a Dalek.
Will be explained in due course...
Why did the Daleks need the Doctors help? To Destroy Their own Asylum Planet?
The Asylum Daleks were too insane for even the normal Daleks. Therefore, they wanted them gone.
The Daleks had previously been wiped out and yet by magic they reappear.
Actually, they weren't all wiped out, not in the current timestream. The new bigger Daleks still lived and could've quite easily created new Daleks. Plus it was never stated that the parliament of the Daleks was gone forever.
The Doctor is supposed to be dead to the world and yet here is is running around the universe found by extinct Daleks.
That was explained in the Xmas episode. Plus, the Daleks could very easily have plucked the Doctor from an earlier point in his timestream. BEFORE he died.
The Doctor`s Future Dead Companion manages to wipe the mind of the Daleks so they forget who he is? How does that work, why not programme them to be good little Daleks?
She was a Dalek herself at the time, thus able to do what she wanted to them as they were all linked.
Probably didn't think to do that, plus despite the benefits, the Doctor wouldn't have liked that.
The Daleks know there is a intruder when the Doctor teleports onto their ship but failed to notice the blue Police Box sat in the corner?
They've suddenly just had their minds re-written, they probably wouldn't have registered what the TARDIS was for a few moments. They WERE busy focusing on destroying the Asylum planet after all.
What happened to Rory and Amy? Did they get the nano-bites removed or are we supposed to forget that?
Both were fine as neither were converted. Conversion didn't get very far, so it's safe to assume Amy healed fine. Plus it's pretty easy to assume the Doctor would've sorted it in the TARDIS before he dropped them home.
There you go, no plot holes, so stop whining and just enjoy it.
Erm, no they haven't. They MAY have been answered by fans who think they know everything about the program, but they certainly were not answered in this one episode.
I wondered that. They gave this whole speech about not destroying the mad and broken Daleks, and then destroyed them.
Yep, there they are again. Rose might as well not have bothered
I think the Doctor's wrist band cured Amy, he didn't need it because he's a Time Lord. He didn't tell her he'd given her his wrist band because he knew Rory would try and give her his and then they'd argue and realise they still loved each other - which, surprise surprise they did.
There you go.
edit - I see lots of people have answered while I was writing my reply.
Oh for goodness sake, still NOT plot holes. Which answers are you still after?
No plot holes from anything you mentioned here
She DIDN'T have a wrist band on at that point!!! It was stolen by the spacesuit skeletons.
The Daleks on the surface seemed pretty harmless.
And why did they need to destroy the planet, What was this fear they had? CARMEN?
Maybe it's another River? We've seen her end before her beginning.
Because they needed to take the forcefield down but didn't want to risk the trip to the planet themselves. As the Doctor clearly explained in the episode.
Didn't the Paradigm of the Daleks restored the race after The Victory of the Daleks?
The Doctor was tricked by a Dalek to investigate what happened to her daughter, but he was acting as though he was supposed to be hiding. The rumour that he was dead was stated at the start of the episode.
Because it'd take longer and the Daleks would have killed the Doctor by that point? Because that's not in her character to make them 'good little Daleks'? And what would you do with a good little Dalek?
They bought the TARDIS there; it was there at the start when they sent the Doctor and co to the Asylum.
Rory never took his wristband off; the Doctor gave his to Amy so the conversion stopped. The emotion from Amy's rant at Rory halted the conversion, as stated by Oswin that love and anger could repel the conversion.
Come on, you know we're going to find out more about her story. How can you call that a plot hole? That's just the start of a story.
They tried to say that is why they hadn't done it. But then the doctor twigged that they hadn't destroyed them because they were too scared to go down and deactivate the shield.
But, do you know what? It was brilliant and apologies are warranted or necessary.
Loved it! Moffat's best yet (admittedly for me, the bar was pretty low, but that was a blinder).
The Daleks on the surface were mental, mad, crazy, insane. No other 'ok' Dalek had ever been down there to see what they were like - they didn't want to take the risk.
They feared if something could break through the shield to the planet something could break out of the shield ie. an insane Dalek.
--Wait and see.
Why did the Daleks need the Doctors help? To Destroy Their own Asylum Planet?
--The Doctor is the Predator of the Daleks... ie the one who is most successful at killing them. As the Asylum Daleks are insane, the sane Daleks may be fearful of the insane ones lashing out and killing some of the sane ones. So they captured the Doctor, who is an expert at killing Daleks (in their eyes), and gave him no choice but to stop them.
The Daleks had previously been wiped out and yet by magic they reappear.
--Victory of the Daleks showed the Daleks escape. They have had sufficient time to recover their forces and build new ones.
The Doctor is supposed to be dead to the world and yet here is is running around the universe found by extinct Daleks.
--Daleks are not extinct. Yes, the Daleks are aware that the Doctor died... But they're too bright to just let it pass; there always remains the possibility he could escape, so they pursued that possibility.
The Doctor`s Future Dead Companion manages to wipe the mind of the Daleks so they forget who he is? How does that work, why not programme them to be good little Daleks?
--Many possibilities for that. One: Dalek instinct is too strong (the Doctor is a concept; but Dalek Supremacy is a philosophy... Not something that is forgotten as easily)
--Two: Quick thinking on her part to save the Doctor. It's not like she had enough time to turn them into tea-serving soldiers for the British Empire (... Oh, wait
The Daleks know there is a intruder when the Doctor teleports onto their ship but failed to notice the blue Police Box sat in the corner?
--Perception Filter. As their memory of the Doctor is wiped, and that these are new Daleks (which is plausible, as the majority are new Paradigm Daleks who were created in VotD), it can be assumed all knowledge of the TARDIS is associated with the Doctor; thus forgotten.
What happened to Rory and Amy? Did they get the nano-bites removed or are we supposed to forget that?
--I presume there is a cure or reversal. As the nano-genes are similar to that from The Doctor Dances, they can be reprogrammed; perhaps with the help of the TARDIS or other equipment.
Way to many plot holes for me.
--No plot holes. Just a bit of logical thinking needed...