If it came down to it, would Labour supporters be happy with a Lib/Lab coalition?

OvertheUnderOvertheUnder Posts: 4,764
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We all hear the Lib Dems getting bad PR about the election and being a party of traitors and backstabbers but if it came down to the wire would Labour supports be happy to have the Liberal Democrats in government to support Labour in power?

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  • TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    Probably.

    That's the nature of politics, talk a big game but when it comes down to it sign a deal with the devil himself if it means you get a sniff of power.
  • JT2060JT2060 Posts: 5,370
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    It was not successful in the 70's, and in some ways led to the eventual downfall of Callaghan.
  • SurrenderBillSurrenderBill Posts: 19,084
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    Nope, it would be far from ideal. The LibDems bring nothing to the table, so why should they get to sit at it. It would be preferential to the current mess, but I'd sooner see the LibDems play no part in the next government.
  • nathanbrazilnathanbrazil Posts: 8,863
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    We all hear the Lib Dems getting bad PR about the election and being a party of traitors and backstabbers but if it came down to the wire would Labour supports be happy to have the Liberal Democrats in government to support Labour in power?

    Anything that gets the gonk elected, I suppose. But, there is surely a very good chance of Clegg and co being politically obliterated at the GE, and UKIP actually having more MPs'. Then Grommit would be begging Farrage... who I hope would tell him where he could stick his offer.
  • jjwalesjjwales Posts: 48,572
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    pork.pie wrote: »
    Nope, it would be far from ideal. The LibDems bring nothing to the table, so why should they get to sit at it.
    They bring stability. And some of their own policies.
    It would be preferential to the current mess, but I'd sooner see the LibDems play no part in the next government.
    I'd be fairly happy to see the Lib Dems in coalition with Labour, as a restraining influence.
  • Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    I'd be as happy with that as I would a Labour majority.

    No Clegg, Alexander or Laws though.
  • jjwalesjjwales Posts: 48,572
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    Anything that gets the gonk elected, I suppose.
    I thought he was a twonk. Or is it the same thing? :)
    But, there is surely a very good chance of Clegg and co being politically obliterated at the GE, and UKIP actually having more MPs'.
    That seems extremely unlikely.
  • blueisthecolourblueisthecolour Posts: 20,127
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    I don't see why they wouldn't welcome a Lib Dem coalition. It's pretty clear that the Lib Dems are fully prepared to take any political position from Green Socialist right through to Neo Con Tory. It's not like they're going to be sitting round the cabinet table telling Miliband that he can't have his tax rises or low public spending cuts. Apart from a few token civil liberty issues and electoral reform changes I can't see them having any real limit to a Labour agenda.

    As an aside, my ideal government would be one that had a social democratic economic policy and liberal social policy. So a Lib-Lab coalition would have the potential to make me very happy.
  • jjnejjne Posts: 6,580
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    Farage failing to be elected in Thanet is more likely than Clegg being ousted from Sheffield, and more generally the LDs are (much) more lilely to retain 35 seats than UKIP are to hold more than 5.

    That said I am hoping for a wafer-thin Tory majority, with any luck propped up by a few Kipper MPs. The result will be carnage, and is likely to grievously wound both parties, fatally in the case of UKIP who will be fighting like cats in a sack within weeks.
  • TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    jjne wrote: »
    Farage failing to be elected in Thanet is more likely than Clegg being ousted from Sheffield, and more generally the LDs are (much) more lilely to retain 35 seats than UKIP are to hold more than 5.

    That said I am hoping for a wafer-thin Tory majority, with any luck propped up by a few Kipper MPs. The result will be carnage, and is likely to grievously wound both parties, fatally in the case of UKIP who will be fighting like cats in a sack within weeks.

    I think the Tories would be more likely to turn to NI unionists in that case before UKIP.
  • jjnejjne Posts: 6,580
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    I think the Tories would be more likely to turn to NI unionists in that case before UKIP.

    Result will be similar, so it's all good (except for the not killing UKIP part).
  • OvertheUnderOvertheUnder Posts: 4,764
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    I don't see why they wouldn't welcome a Lib Dem coalition. It's pretty clear that the Lib Dems are fully prepared to take any political position from Green Socialist right through to Neo Con Tory. It's not like they're going to be sitting round the cabinet table telling Miliband that he can't have his tax rises or low public spending cuts. Apart from a few token civil liberty issues and electoral reform changes I can't see them having any real limit to a Labour agenda.

    As an aside, my ideal government would be one that had a social democratic economic policy and liberal social policy. So a Lib-Lab coalition would have the potential to make me very happy.

    That's probably in the private view of many in the Labour party but then makes this campaign of attack on the Lib Dems seem strange i.e calling them backstabbers and traitors for joining a Tory coalition when in fact Labour may need the party for their benefit at the election this year.

    I don't see why abusing the LD is productive. The utter hypocrisy of the Labour voters will be fascinating to watch - defending the Lib Dems for joining a Lib/Lab coalition!
  • TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    jjne wrote: »
    Result will be similar, so it's all good (except for the not killing UKIP part).

    I dunno if it would be all good as the thought of DUP in government is a frightful notion. They are no good in Stormont.
  • jjnejjne Posts: 6,580
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    I dunno if it would be all good as the thought of DUP in government is a frightful notion. They are no good in Stormont.

    Frightful = stuffed Conservative party, and Lefties in despair. That'll do for me.

    The best thing the Liberals can do is take a step back, and watch the others tear each other apart. It will be the best possible way of demonstrating their worth over the last five years.

    People have forgotten what the Tories look like with their muzzle off, and Labour are unelectable.
  • blueisthecolourblueisthecolour Posts: 20,127
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    That's probably in the private view of many in the Labour party but then makes this campaign of attack on the Lib Dems seem strange i.e calling them backstabbers and traitors for joining a Tory coalition when in fact Labour may need the party for their benefit at the election this year.

    I don't see why abusing the LD is productive. The utter hypocrisy of the Labour voters will be fascinating to watch - defending the Lib Dems for joining a Lib/Lab coalition!

    I don't agree that Labour accepting a LD coalition would necessarily be hypocrisy.

    The reason that Labour attacks the LD for going into government with the Tories was because they spent the previous decade plus campaigning to the left of Labour. Hence most voters viewed them (not unreasonably) as a center-left party that would be naturally opposed to the majority of the Tories agenda. The coalition in itself was a betrayal, but given the circumstances in 2010 it could have been seen as an understandable compromise. But their almost full acceptance of Tory economic policy and appeasement of the rest of their right wing agenda has been disgraceful.

    I'm waiting to see how the LIb Dems position themselves in the campaign. If they come out against Labour policies then, yes, it would be hypocrisy to form a government with them. However if they decide to 'ditch' the Tories and support a return to centre-left politics I don't see what would be wrong with Labour agreeing to a coalition. That's how multi-party democracy is supposed to work.
  • northantsgirlnorthantsgirl Posts: 4,663
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    The Lib Dems could have a role in making Labour bring about constitutional change. But other than that and adding about 30 seats to a Labour-led government that's about it.
  • MeicYMeicY Posts: 2,585
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    Liberals won't have enough seats.

    Labour better off doing pact with nationalists and Greens.
  • MartinPMartinP Posts: 31,358
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    MeicY wrote: »
    Liberals won't have enough seats.

    Labour better off doing pact with nationalists and Greens.

    Greens? As in you think there will be more than 1?:o
  • Net NutNet Nut Posts: 10,286
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    Jol44 wrote: »
    I'd be as happy with that as I would a Labour majority.

    No Clegg, Alexander or Laws though.

    All 3 are too contaminated now, more Tory than LibDem now.
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 23,845
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    Net Nut wrote: »
    All 3 are too contaminated now, more Tory than LibDem now.

    Labour supporters would probably accept a coalition but MPs won't like it, remember last time when Blunkett et al revolted during talks and said going into opposition was better than to attempt a rainbow coalition.

    Alexander will probably lose his seat anyway. Clegg will probably survive but would have to agree to step down as part of any agreement, Tim Fallon would be much easier for Labour to work with.
  • JohnbeeJohnbee Posts: 4,019
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    It is monumental wishful thinking for Lib Dems to hope to be in government after the election. They have lost the left half of their vote, and also will lose some of their protest voters/abstainers to UKIP. All they will have left is right wingers in constituencies where their main hope to keep Labour out but there isn't enough Conservative support.

    The Conservatives and their media friends Including the whole of the BBC are already totally on election campaigning. At the moment there is concentration on anti-Muslim and pro Christian stuff (why did Cameron feel the need to say 'I am a Christian' when quite plainly he isn't) and gentle reminders that E. Miliband is Jewish which have suddenly crept in.

    My guess is that all this will work fine and enough people will stick with the Conservatives and drop out of Labour to get the Conservatives in.

    By the way, Nick Clegg will be dumped from the Lib Dem leadership about 6 minutes after the polls close. Cameron might even convert to Christianity so he can pray for victory because if he doesn't get in he will rapidly follow Clegg down the plughole.
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