Negligent NHS demand return of compensation payout

Thunder LipsThunder Lips Posts: 1,660
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Story here

Thread title is woefully under informative, I know, but it is a difficult story to condense into so small a package!

Just wondering what people would think of this story. On the face of it it's very easy to condemn the NHS as money hungry and insensitive, but it was a payout intended to facilitate caring for the child and that is (sadly) no longer necessary. There's also the crucial fact that they're funded by us, the taxpayers, so there's an imperative for them to see that money goes on what it is meant for. Not asking for it back would see them £330,000 out of pocket in that regard.

Does anyone have a definite opinion one way or the other? Are they right to ask for the money back or should they just eat the loss and move on? I honestly don't know which way I'd go :confused:

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  • Jo09Jo09 Posts: 3,852
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    Bad management. If they were going to ask for the money back based on length of life they should of paid year by year to avoid this situation.
  • JB3JB3 Posts: 9,308
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    If the NHS paid out for a lifetime of care, then that's happened, I can't really see that they(us) are entitled to it back.
    I suppose we'd need to see the small print, they must think they have a case or they wouldn't have embarked on a course to reclaim it.
  • annette kurtenannette kurten Posts: 39,543
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    it`s immoral and heartless.
  • welwynrosewelwynrose Posts: 33,666
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    Jo09 wrote: »
    Bad management. If they were going to ask for the money back based on length of life they should of paid year by year to avoid this situation.

    From what I've read the final figure was going to agreed when the child reached 10 and this was a "pre-payment" to cover up to the age of 10 - unfortunately this child didn't reach the age of ten so the agreement is invalid
  • Slarti BartfastSlarti Bartfast Posts: 6,607
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    What annette said. Christ, of all the sums of money owed to the taxpayer, this is the one we go after?
  • tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    Go to show if you have a case then never accepted a out of court settlement, as if things are decided by the courts, this does not happen so easy. The down side is going though the courts takes years.Dont see them trying so hard to get the money back from people treated by the NHS but don't live in this country.
  • gasheadgashead Posts: 13,815
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    Usual emotive spin in the DM headline. The mother hasn't been "ordered" to return the money by anyone, she's merely been requested to by the NHS. I can't see anything in the article to suggest they have the legal power to force her to return it and I'd be gob-smacked if she was genuinely ordered to by the Court*. So the medical 'experts' got the life expectancy wrong. The NHS should just suck it up and thank God they won't have to pay out millions more, not try to claw back a measley few hundred thousand. Why not go after the experts? The payout was based on their evidence after all.
    * ETA - unless, of course, the original agreement did have such a clause that covered this situation, and which has convienently been omitted from the article.
  • spkxspkx Posts: 14,870
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    Damages exist to reimburse loss, specifically they are issued to get the claimant to the same position as if the action had never occurred.

    In this case, a significant part of the damages were paid to pay for the cost of caring for the child. As that cost no longer exists then there is no actionable claim for those portion of the damages.

    Of course, despite the Daily Mail's claim of this being a "landmark case", it never actually went to court. For all we know, they may have decided the NHS never had to pay in the first place.

    Therefore it's a question about what was agreed in the settlement, and without seeing that it's impossible to say who's in the (legal) right.
  • Alan1981Alan1981 Posts: 5,416
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    It's a tough one, she has gone through a great deal of trauma, but on the other hand the NHS in in massive debt and £330k could provide a lot of life saving drugs.

    15% of the annual NHS budget is now spent on compensation claims. That just isn't sustainable.
  • gasheadgashead Posts: 13,815
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    spkx wrote: »
    Damages exist to reimburse loss, specifically they are issued to get the claimant to the same position as if the action had never occurred.

    In this case, a significant part of the damages were paid to pay for the cost of caring for the child. As that cost no longer exists then there is no actionable claim for those portion of the damages.

    Of course, despite the Daily Mail's claim of this being a "landmark case", it never actually went to court. For all we know, they may have decided the NHS never had to pay in the first place.

    Therefore it's a question about what was agreed in the settlement, and without seeing that it's impossible to say who's in the (legal) right.
    How do you figure? AFAICS, this situation is still on-going.

    [The mother's solicitor said]: 'A potential deadline comes around in July and we don't know what the situation is going to be.
  • spkxspkx Posts: 14,870
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    gashead wrote: »
    How do you figure? AFAICS, this situation is still on-going.

    [The mother's solicitor said]: 'A potential deadline comes around in July and we don't know what the situation is going to be.

    This current dispute is over the settlement previously agreed out of court.

    So far, from what I can see, nothing has actually gone in front of a court. The original case was settled and this current dispute (as you say) is ongoing.
  • culturemancultureman Posts: 11,700
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    Not sure that a single parent (now sadly childless) requires what appears to be a very substantial 4 bedroom house, bought with taxpayers money given for a set of circumstances that, again sadly, no longer hold true.

    Not sure the memory associations with her deceased child (her primary argument), constitute in themselves a sufficient reason for such generous taxpayers' largesse.

    The bottom line is her material needs and circumstances have fundamentally changed.
  • molliepopsmolliepops Posts: 26,828
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    Some of the cost would have been for their negligence and some for care of the child seems fair to ask for the money for care back but she should be able to keep the money for the negligence.
  • Squealer_MahonySquealer_Mahony Posts: 6,483
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    Alan1981 wrote: »
    It's a tough one, she has gone through a great deal of trauma, but on the other hand the NHS in in massive debt and £330k could provide a lot of life saving drugs.

    But if the child had lived longer they would still be in massive debt and still unable to provide those drugs
  • Alan1981Alan1981 Posts: 5,416
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    cultureman wrote: »
    Not sure that a single parent (now sadly childless) requires what appears to be a very substantial 4 bedroom house, bought with taxpayers money given for a set of circumstances that, again sadly, no longer hold true.

    Not sure the memory associations with her deceased child (her primary argument), constitute in themselves a sufficient reason for such generous taxpayers' largesse.

    The bottom line is her material needs and circumstances have fundamentally changed.


    Surely a bungalow would have been more suited to the child's needs anyway.
  • AddisonianAddisonian Posts: 16,377
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    it`s immoral and heartless.
    Agree. This is shameful.
  • Vast_GirthVast_Girth Posts: 9,793
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    Its a sad story, but a perfectly reasonable request. The money was to look after the child for life, which was tragically cut short, so it's no longer required. That money could save a lot of lives back in the NHS and the mother still gets the benefits of a 350k+ payout.
  • bobcarbobcar Posts: 19,424
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    But if the child had lived longer they would still be in massive debt and still unable to provide those drugs

    But it didn't, you can say the same about any costs related to a person living longer. The woman can sell the house and still be better off financially than she was before the birth.

    The money being reclaimed was there to look after the child not to give her a meal ticket.
  • tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    Vast_Girth wrote: »
    Its a sad story, but a perfectly reasonable request. The money was to look after the child for life, which was tragically cut short, so it's no longer required. That money could save a lot of lives back in the NHS and the mother still gets the benefits of a 350k+ payout.

    Its only like this because it was a out of court agreement, cases were the courts make the awards, there is never a claim back even if the person dies after a few years,
  • gasheadgashead Posts: 13,815
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    tim59 wrote: »
    Its only like this because it was a out of court agreement, cases were the courts make the awards, there is never a claim back even if the person dies after a few years,
    If the money the NHS is claiming back was given as part of an OOC settlement, can they still use the power of the law to try to get it returned?

    If they can, that seems a tad un-fair. If they can't, then surely it's all moot if the mother can't be legally compelled to return it.
  • tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    gashead wrote: »
    If the money the NHS is claiming back was given as part of an OOC settlement, can they still use the power of the law to try to get it returned?

    If they can, that seems a tad un-fair. If they can't, then surely it's all moot if the mother can't be legally compelled to return it.

    It will be all down to the wording of the agreement, were court cases are not done on agreements, the courts order the award,
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