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O2 details network upgrade program

jabbamk1jabbamk1 Posts: 8,942
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O2 UK has confirmed that it's 4G services are now live in 191 towns and cities across the UK reaching 20m people. The official outdoor coverage percentage for 4G is now at 41%. An increase over the 32% that O2 quoted at the end of February.
Since its 4G launch in August 2013, O2 has amassed over one million 4G customers. Those customers used more data in the 4G network’s first six months than the entire O2 network carried between 2000 and 2008, demonstrating the unprecedented demand for fast and seamless data services.

The announcement comes as O2 sheds light on its ambitious nationwide network modernisation programme – one of the largest infrastructure improvement projects taking place in the UK today. Around 25% of O2’s 2G and 3G masts will be upgraded by the end of 2014 in order to deliver an increase in call quality and all round network experience, improving both call and data connectivity at peak times and in high-density areas.

The comprehensive upgrade work, completed on an area-by-area basis, covers a range of modernisation techniques. Sites are assessed individually and key components are refreshed or replaced, including fibre connections, radio equipment, remote monitoring devices and antennas.

O2 has also committed to investing an additional £16m to bring data coverage to places that have never had it before. Over 200 areas across the UK will get their first taste of 3G data coverage from O2 this year. This will open up possibilities for both customers and businesses to access data on the move, such as mobile email and internet browsing, for which they’ve previously relied on Wifi connections.

O2's 4G roll out seems to be going smoothly so far. EE were slightly ahead in the same time frame with over 50% population coverage. It's good to see O2 finally investing a bit more in 3G upgrades by bringing it to 200 new locations. Maybe we can finally have all 4 networks equal in terms of 2G/3G coverage soon.
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    japauljapaul Posts: 1,727
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    jabbamk1 wrote: »
    O2 UK has confirmed that it's 4G services are now live in 191 towns and cities across the UK reaching 20m people. The official outdoor coverage percentage for 4G is now at 41%. An increase over the 32% that O2 quoted at the end of February

    I think the 32% was indoor (corresponding outdoor coverage was 38%).

    So we now have claimed outdoor 41% / indoor 33% compared with the previous 38% outdoor, 32% indoor.
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    jabbamk1jabbamk1 Posts: 8,942
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    japaul wrote: »
    I think the 32% was indoor (corresponding outdoor coverage was 38%).

    So we now have claimed outdoor 41% / indoor 33% compared with the previous 38% outdoor, 32% indoor.

    Good point, thanks for pointing that out.
    Got confused between the two there. :p
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    japauljapaul Posts: 1,727
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    Hehe , I do like an accurate number :D

    And on to less than helpful numbers, it seems they now claim 191 towns and cities so have officially overtaken EE on 187 towns and cities. It might help that you can define a town and whether it's covered any way you please.

    http://news.o2.co.uk/?press-release=o2-4g-reaches-a-third-of-the-uk-population-as-network-modernisation-programme-is-unveiled
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    Zee_BukhariZee_Bukhari Posts: 1,335
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    haven't they been investing 1.5 million everyday into their network for god knows how long? :D and look where its got them
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    qasdfdsaqqasdfdsaq Posts: 3,350
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    japaul wrote: »
    Hehe , I do like an accurate number :D

    And on to less than helpful numbers, it seems they now claim 191 towns and cities so have officially overtaken EE on 187 towns and cities. It might help that you can define a town and whether it's covered any way you please.
    They claimed "over 200" a little while ago too...
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    wrexham103.4wrexham103.4 Posts: 3,334
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    and still their coverage map wont let you zoom out to see where is covered by 3 and 4G^_^
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    dragonrapidedragonrapide Posts: 1,250
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    Just hope they sort out their really crappy 3G let alone 4G in BRIGHTON around West Street and the seafront. Is there a list of where they are updating?
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    jonmorrisjonmorris Posts: 21,776
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    Browsing the RootMetrics map around where I live and travel, it's amazing (but not surprising) how bad O2 and Vodafone are for call quality and data speeds.

    There's going to be quite a transformation once they fix older legacy sites I'd expect, as I'm still to this day sitting at home mostly on GPRS or EDGE, and not 4G. It doesn't take much for it to go from 4G to 2G and then NEVER switch back.

    This isn't good enough.
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    ThreeThree Posts: 1,160
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    jonmorris wrote: »
    Browsing the RootMetrics map around where I live and travel, it's amazing (but not surprising) how bad O2 and Vodafone are for call quality and data speeds.

    There's going to be quite a transformation once they fix older legacy sites I'd expect, as I'm still to this day sitting at home mostly on GPRS or EDGE, and not 4G. It doesn't take much for it to go from 4G to 2G and then NEVER switch back.

    This isn't good enough.

    For reasons such as this I really think RootMetrics should implement some sort of tab on the map to select how far back you want to go with historical data. (E.g. 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, 1y, 2y etc)
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    AlecRAlecR Posts: 554
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    Hopefully, this will mean that O2 cover areas outside of large towns and cities. Between me (near Alton) and Winchester, there is no 3G, except in Alton and Winchester.

    The only reason for this (that I can think of) is the towns in between (i.e. Four Marks, Alresford) don't have train stations! Does that seem likely?!?
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    John_PatrickJohn_Patrick Posts: 924
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    Funny how the people I know who work on the project (Beacon) say they aint done many sites since the end of last year.... like a handful a week..... Maybe get 99% coverage by 2025 at that rate.
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    tycho-magtycho-mag Posts: 8,664
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    jonmorris wrote: »
    There's going to be quite a transformation once they fix older legacy sites I'd expect, as I'm still to this day sitting at home mostly on GPRS or EDGE, and not 4G. It doesn't take much for it to go from 4G to 2G and then NEVER switch back..

    I always wondered why (when 3G has more capacity) on Vodafone around here if I lose the 3G signal, it switches to 2G, and in about 80% of cases, I have to airplane mode on/off to get it to switch back to 3G.

    I can understand in 2004 having more 2G than 3G capacity, but in 2014 ?
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    AlecRAlecR Posts: 554
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    jchamier wrote: »
    I always wondered why (when 3G has more capacity) on Vodafone around here if I lose the 3G signal, it switches to 2G, and in about 80% of cases, I have to airplane mode on/off to get it to switch back to 3G.

    I can understand in 2004 having more 2G than 3G capacity, but in 2014 ?

    I still see Vodafone and O2's networks as 2G networks with 3G added on, hence the sticking to 2G issue.

    Whereas, EE and Three's networks are 3G, with 2G just as an extra (not really, but that's the best way I can explain it).

    If you look at the coverage maps for example, O2/Vodafone have 2G coverage that is much better than their 3G, but if you look at EE's coverage maps, the 2G and 3G coverage is identical (3G is even better than 2G in some places).
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    mooxmoox Posts: 18,880
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    AlecR wrote: »
    I still see Vodafone and O2's networks as 2G networks with 3G added on, hence the sticking to 2G issue.

    It wouldn't surprise me if that's true at least around here. I can now apparently get Vodafone 3G, but the data speeds are such that I wonder if they're still using some ancient legacy GSM backhaul (if that's even possible), like an E1 or something.

    Even O2 manage to be better when I'm closer to the major road where one of their few 3G cells exists - 15Mbps+. 3/EE give a stonking 25Mbps easy almost all the time.
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    tycho-magtycho-mag Posts: 8,664
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    moox wrote: »
    It wouldn't surprise me if that's true at least around here. I can now apparently get Vodafone 3G, but the data speeds are such that I wonder if they're still using some ancient legacy GSM backhaul (if that's even possible), like an E1 or something.
    I assumed that they were using old style trunk links such as E1 or frame relay, and as part of the 4G project they would be replacing these links with Ethernet 100 or 1000mbps. I'll give them another 2 years to be charitable :-) Maybe O2 will fix their 2G voice codec too ;-)
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    qasdfdsaqqasdfdsaq Posts: 3,350
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    O2's 2G voice codec is the same as all other networks. That's not the problem.

    That said Vodafone launched HD voice recently after several people who pretend to be knowledgeable said they would either never do so or wouldn't be anytime soon. And O2 run over the same edge infrastructure, so how hard can it be?
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    ThreeThree Posts: 1,160
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    jchamier wrote: »
    I always wondered why (when 3G has more capacity) on Vodafone around here if I lose the 3G signal, it switches to 2G, and in about 80% of cases, I have to airplane mode on/off to get it to switch back to 3G.

    I can understand in 2004 having more 2G than 3G capacity, but in 2014 ?

    My mum uses Vodafone via Talkmobile and I enabled data and it went straight to 2G despite me being in a window where I can see the mast. It stuck there for minutes. She thought that was the norm.
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    enapaceenapace Posts: 4,303
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    qasdfdsaq wrote: »
    O2's 2G voice codec is the same as all other networks. That's not the problem.

    That said Vodafone launched HD voice recently after several people who pretend to be knowledgeable said they would either never do so or wouldn't be anytime soon. And O2 run over the same edge infrastructure, so how hard can it be?

    If it's not the codec that is the problem what does cause it to sound so awful then out of curiosity ?

    Honestly the voice quality and lack of decent data connection has always put me of O2 with the later getting fixed as we speak over next 1-3 years. If the former could get fixed I may actually consider switching to them.
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    AlecRAlecR Posts: 554
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    The other issue is: when will O2 make their data speeds as quick as EE's or Three's? Or will that never happen?
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    clewsyclewsy Posts: 4,222
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    I notice the Vodafone mast near me has a planning application to make it 17.5m from the 12m it is now.

    Is this the first step of a mast share with o2? They have this deal don't they to share sites?
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    SkipTracerSkipTracer Posts: 2,959
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    clewsy wrote: »
    I notice the Vodafone mast near me has a planning application to make it 17.5m from the 12m it is now.

    Is this the first step of a mast share with o2? They have this deal don't they to share sites?

    I was saying on a thread here about the other day about Vodafone 4G network slowly working their way down the M4 corridor towards Bristol and Cardiff and made a comment about Voda having coverage in the middle of nowhere near Royal Wootton Bassett and today when I looked at o2 4G coverage map they have the exact the same middle of nowhere 4G.

    So it would appear their sharing something here but could of course be a coincidence.
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    clewsyclewsy Posts: 4,222
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    Its just the application says 17.5m streetpole which is why I was confused. As this just reads as an extension to the current mast that is there.

    As if its 4G upgrade won't they need to install new cabinates? That would surly have to be on the application? This just mentions the mast.
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    qasdfdsaqqasdfdsaq Posts: 3,350
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    clewsy wrote: »
    I notice the Vodafone mast near me has a planning application to make it 17.5m from the 12m it is now.

    Is this the first step of a mast share with o2? They have this deal don't they to share sites?
    They do have a deal to share sites, yes.

    Extending the mast - sometimes happens during the sharing process, yes. Sometimes doesn't.

    Do you have a link to the PA?
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    clewsyclewsy Posts: 4,222
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    qasdfdsaq wrote: »
    They do have a deal to share sites, yes.

    Extending the mast - sometimes happens during the sharing process, yes. Sometimes doesn't.

    Do you have a link to the PA?

    This is the one that I saw today attached to the lamp post near the mast.

    Out of interest what does a "streetworks" mast actually look like? 17.5m sounds high to be next to a houses on a road.
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    qasdfdsaqqasdfdsaq Posts: 3,350
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    Hmm, no documents or description to go on... shame.

    http://qasdfdsaq.com/images/masts/IMG_5664c.jpg is an example of a pair of O2/VF "streetworks" masts. Left is an old, shared 3G mast, right is a new, shared 4G mast.

    Those particular examples are 15m. 17.5m would be taller but not by a huge amount. There's a few around Edinburgh that used to be 12.5m but are being replaced with 17.5m units but I don't have any pictures and they're not on streetview.
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