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REDBUSREDBUS Posts: 2,315
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Really pissed off that ch5 have not put 1 non-English person into big Brother house,a program famed for diversity, 14 housemate All from England ,do no other nationality's now exist outside England ,cant ever remember seeing a program on ch5 that was based in Scotland Wales or N.I. .

Hope this channel suffers badly in terms of viewers and income from advertiser's ,phone line's and they wake up to a U.K. audience.
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  • The WulfrunianThe Wulfrunian Posts: 1,312
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    I'm reading this as I'm watching Scots moaning on BBC Breakfast about the Beeb's treatment of the other nations.

    Tiresome.
  • ftvftv Posts: 31,668
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    I'm reading this as I'm watching Scots moaning on BBC Breakfast about the Beeb's treatment of the other nations.

    Tiresome.

    The BBC Nations (Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) get far more local programming than the English regions.If they only survived on the licence fee drawn in those countries they would have a much inferior service so English viewers are effectively subsidising these regions,plus jobs created by the BBC pushing production out to Belfast, Cardiff and Glasgow (Casualty has just gone from Bristol to Cardiff). Most of the programmes made in Cardiff for instance have no Welsh connections at all - Torchwood, Merlin, Crimewatch UK,Casualty, Dr Who, Upstairs,Downstairs,so they could be made anywhere in the UK. The Celts should think themselves lucky:D
  • acefee311acefee311 Posts: 1,350
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    According to old threads on the site that the BBC is going to be changing its entire schedule in the near future. I don't know how true this is but if it is true, the BBC nations may get a revamp too. Fingures cross and see what happens. I watch the welsh and the scottish opt-outs programs from bbc iplayer and they are all excellent indeed. Hope that BBC N.I and England goes back and create new local programs in the near future.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 240
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    Surprised they even bothered to get people from outside London.

    England's always the default nation anyway. Pushing English shows with English actors and English production teams into Wales, Scotland and N.I isn't the same as encouraging home made productions. It's a typical lazy approach from the BBC.

    For C5 BB must be the only non-American thing they show (yes, I know this is an exaggeration!)
  • ftvftv Posts: 31,668
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    charcope wrote: »
    Surprised they even bothered to get people from outside London.

    England's always the default nation anyway. Pushing English shows with English actors and English production teams into Wales, Scotland and N.I isn't the same as encouraging home made productions. It's a typical lazy approach from the BBC.

    For C5 BB must be the only non-American thing they show (yes, I know this is an exaggeration!)

    The BBC does local soaps in Scotland (River City) and Wales (Pobol y Cwm) which is more than can be said for ITV and provides work for local technicians,writers and actors etc.Northern Ireland is really too small to support much local drama but does a variety of other programmes including documentaries, comedy etc.
  • exlordlucanexlordlucan Posts: 35,375
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    REDBUS wrote: »
    Really pissed off that ch5 have not put 1 non-English person into big Brother house,a program famed for diversity, 14 housemate All from England ,do no other nationality's now exist outside England ,cant ever remember seeing a program on ch5 that was based in Scotland Wales or N.I. .

    Hope this channel suffers badly in terms of viewers and income from advertiser's ,phone line's and they wake up to a U.K. audience.

    You should see that as something positive because housemates are usually weirdos and nutters :)
  • AcerBenAcerBen Posts: 21,265
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    They shouldn't have to put in a token Welsh or a Scottish person in the Big Brother house. They probably just chose the 14 contestants they thought were the best. I don't see why they would deliberately snub the other nations.

    Plus you know how it is, they always end up putting in other people later on..
  • suffolkbluesuffolkblue Posts: 4,044
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    Well they all have fake stage names and there is a mix of race in their too which dont surprise me with it being england and all that. I must admit i would have loved to have seen a scotch person in there and im english so BB is a no go for me they are all young and it will be all about sex and crap like that channel 5 have completely ruined the show. Daiily star eat your heart out.
  • franchisefranchise Posts: 1,426
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    BB is a no go for me they are all young and it will be all about sex and crap like that channel 5 have completely ruined the show. Daiily star eat your heart out.

    In fairness to C5, it has been like that for years on Channel 4.
  • BigOrangeBigOrange Posts: 59,625
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    The thought of a show casting in a certain way purely for the sake of ticking diversity boxes saddens me greatly. Perhaps it was simply the case that they were the best 14 applicants? I believe that unlike previous years due to time constraints no auditions were held outside of London and Manchester this year, so it is quite plausible that the number of non English applications was low anyway.
  • BigOrangeBigOrange Posts: 59,625
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    Well they all have fake stage names and there is a mix of race in their too which dont surprise me with it being england and all that. I must admit i would have loved to have seen a scotch person in there and im english so BB is a no go for me they are all young and it will be all about sex and crap like that channel 5 have completely ruined the show. Daiily star eat your heart out.
    And you're making that judgement based on the launch show alone? Big Brother is essentially a young person's show, so they've casted accordingly. Personally I think the lineup is better than the previous few years. The casting of Big Brother 10 in particular left a lot to be desired, my first impressions of all of them appearing on that show were bad. They just went for extremes and characters likely to be loud and cause conflict. This bunch seem a lot more interesting from what we've seen so far. Anyway, I digress...
  • Martin PhillpMartin Phillp Posts: 34,583
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    Dancc wrote: »
    And you're making that judgement based on the launch show alone? Big Brother is essentially a young person's show

    I debated this in the Radio forum when Heart bought airtime on C5 during CBB. Heart for those of you not interested in radio station brands is a female focused station for 30+ females, those who would've been loyal to the C4 show during the last decade who'd stick with the show on C5.

    Yet, it seems C5 are trying to bring in a new generation of fans to the programme by bringing in a selection of basically young morons bar one or two housemates who don't represent the majority of the demographic C5 are trying to attract!
  • The TurkThe Turk Posts: 5,148
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    I'm reading this as I'm watching Scots moaning on BBC Breakfast about the Beeb's treatment of the other nations.

    Tiresome.
    ftv wrote: »
    The BBC Nations (Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) get far more local programming than the English regions.If they only survived on the licence fee drawn in those countries they would have a much inferior service so English viewers are effectively subsidising these regions,plus jobs created by the BBC pushing production out to Belfast, Cardiff and Glasgow (Casualty has just gone from Bristol to Cardiff). Most of the programmes made in Cardiff for instance have no Welsh connections at all - Torchwood, Merlin, Crimewatch UK,Casualty, Dr Who, Upstairs,Downstairs,so they could be made anywhere in the UK. The Celts should think themselves lucky:D
    Exactly. When will the Scots realise its the English who are actually being descriminated by the BBC. At least in Scotland, you get lots of your own programmes in addition to the networked stuff. Its the same in Wales and N.Ireland. What do we get in England that's exclusive to us? Inside Out. Nothing wrong with that, its a good investigative series for each of the English regions but that's ALL we get and its only on for about half the year. Well, that and late-night local footie highlights for the lower leagues.
    The devolved nations have far more than that and all year round unless Im mistaken.

    If people still doubt the BBC's bias AGAINST the English then let me provide you all with two links from the CEP and tell me what you think.
    http://www.thecep.org.uk/2011/07/25/...all-to-action/

    http://www.thecep.org.uk/2011/08/30/union-flagging-bbc-at-it-again/
  • anndra_wanndra_w Posts: 6,557
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    The BBC Nations (Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) get far more local programming than the English regions.

    And so we should. Count yourself lucky you have regional programme as well because the rest of us don't. England is the only Nation to be the focus of the vast majority of programming while still being fortunate to have more specialised programming in the it's regions also.
  • anndra_wanndra_w Posts: 6,557
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    What do we get in England that's exclusive to us?

    Network broadcasting is what you get. In Scotland we're no different to viewers in Ireland or Australia watching English television. It yours. Enjoy it.
  • The TurkThe Turk Posts: 5,148
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    anndra_w wrote: »
    And so we should. Count yourself lucky you have regional programme as well because the rest of us don't. England is the only Nation to be the focus of the vast majority of programming while still being fortunate to have more specialised programming in the it's regions also.
    We need regional programmes because our country is vastly bigger than yours. Population wise at least the rest of you are each the size of a region.
  • anndra_wanndra_w Posts: 6,557
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    The Turk wrote: »
    We need regional programmes because our country is vastly bigger than yours. Population wise at least the rest of you are each the size of a region.

    Yeah so stop moaning as if you receive less. You say what do u get that's just for you guys. Is Home and Away any less Australian or Desperate Housewives any less American because it's screened in the UK. No it it's not and neither is network programming. It's English. You have a strong media industry so stop moaning and trying to fabricate a situation where England is the victim.
  • The TurkThe Turk Posts: 5,148
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    anndra_w wrote: »
    What do we get in England that's exclusive to us?

    Network broadcasting is what you get. In Scotland we're no different to viewers in Ireland or Australia watching English television. It yours. Enjoy it.
    I do but I'd enjoy it a lot more if it was English rather than British. What you're complaining about is British focused programming, rather than English. On that we have a common grievance. Yes, we have a lot of programmes set in England but only the other day I saw a Scottish crime drama called Field of Blood which according to the Radio Times had been previously shown in Scotland. A programme made by 'BBC Scotland'. When we make a programme its called 'BBC Productions'. At least the BBC doesn't pretend your country doesn't exist. That's what I mean by the BBC being British rather than English focused. Im not saying your being well served by the BBC, just that in many ways we're being served even worse by this British doctrine. That's your true enemy and mine, not the English.
  • anndra_wanndra_w Posts: 6,557
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    The Turk wrote: »
    I do but I'd enjoy it a lot more if it was English rather than British. What you're complaining about is British focused programming, rather than English. On that we have a common grievance. Yes, we have a lot of programmes set in England but only the other day I saw a Scottish crime drama called Field of Blood which according to the Radio Times had been previously shown in Scotland. A programme made by 'BBC Scotland'. When we make a programme its called 'BBC Productions'. At least the BBC doesn't pretend your country doesn't exist. That's what I mean by the BBC being British rather than English focused. Im not saying your being well served by the BBC, just that in many ways we're being served even worse by this British doctrine. That's your true enemy and mine, not the English.

    The reason for this is because Most British people are English and so British culture is English culture. Scottish and Welsh culture exists in it's own right as does Englishness, it's just called Britishness to make the rest of us feel included. It doesn't work.
  • exlordlucanexlordlucan Posts: 35,375
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    With all this talk of unfairness, bias or whatever I'd have thought by now that there would be calls for a Scottish TV channel funded by advertising, local taxes etc so maybe it's because those that number crunch have worked out that it wouldn't raise enough income to run let alone produce it's own material?
  • pedrokpedrok Posts: 16,758
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    The Turk wrote: »
    We need regional programmes because our country is vastly bigger than yours. Population wise at least the rest of you are each the size of a region.

    500 miles between Lerwick and Dumfries, 300 miles between Portree and Eyemouth. What English region covers this geographical spread?

    What is the population covered by BBC South West?
  • BMoizBMoiz Posts: 1,745
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    Probably the same as the population covered by BBC Northern Ireland and BBC Wales (2 million)

    BBC North West covers about 1.5 million more people than BBC Scotland, despite having a geographically smaller area (although this are does stretch from the English Midlands and the Welsh border to almost the Scottish border)

    On another note YAY another thread where we can all feel victimised and hard done to because of our perceived nationality! We were severly lacking these :rolleyes:
  • CharnhamCharnham Posts: 61,060
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    why dont you Scottish and Welsh types set up your own channels, that are funded only from Scottish and Weslh £s, then you can put however many Scottish or Welsh people you like on them.
  • anndra_wanndra_w Posts: 6,557
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    Charnham wrote: »
    why dont you Scottish and Welsh types set up your own channels, that are funded only from Scottish and Weslh £s, then you can put however many Scottish or Welsh people you like on them.

    We do. You ever heard of the BBC?
  • CharnhamCharnham Posts: 61,060
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    anndra_w wrote: »
    We do. You ever heard of the BBC?
    so only programs made with money from Scottish peoples licence fees airs on BBC Scotland?
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