so only programs made with money from Scottish peoples licence fees airs on BBC Scotland?
Not at all. Scotland pays money to the BBC same as England. If Scotland was to have a national broadcaster it would have to be at least partially state funded due to population size. We couldn't do it just from a licence fee.
Not at all. Scotland pays money to the BBC same as England. If Scotland was to have a national broadcaster it would have to be at least partially state funded due to population size. We couldn't do it just from a licence fee.
if Scotland can not afford its own TV channel, they stop complaining when TV shows dont have Scottish people in them.
if Scotland can not afford its own TV channel, they stop complaining when TV shows dont have Scottish people in them.
I'm not complaining about the lack of Scot's on Big Brother. Our having no Scottish housemates doesn't bother me at all. It's not exactly quality programming. I just felt it was necessary to point out how wrong one of the other posters was when they were trying to make out England was under represented on television compared to Scotland. . . . Oh and incidentally, if I could be arsed wasting the energy I'd pull you up about the ignorance of your post but like I said I'm not wasting energy.
Not at all. Scotland pays money to the BBC same as England. If Scotland was to have a national broadcaster it would have to be at least partially state funded due to population size. We couldn't do it just from a licence fee.
I'd have thought Salmond would have jumped on the idea what with his campaign for Independence because it would be a real vote puller, but then like you I guess he's realised it couldn't be done by a separate licence for income alone, mind you there's nothing that I can see that would stop Scotland having a channel via satellite and paid for by subscription and advertising instead though is there?
I don't see the issue personally as far as Big Brother goes. They're under no legal obligation to pick people from different cultures, religions, countries, sexualities, or anything. They can choose whoever they like, from whatever country they like, from whatever background they like. It's a complete non issue as far as I'm concerned.
I don't see the issue personally as far as Big Brother goes. They're under no legal obligation to pick people from different cultures, religions, countries, sexualities, or anything. They can choose whoever they like, from whatever country they like, from whatever background they like. It's a complete non issue as far as I'm concerned.
I agree too and while I think there are issues with broadcasting in Scotland I don't think this is one.
I don't see the issue personally as far as Big Brother goes. They're under no legal obligation to pick people from different cultures, religions, countries, sexualities, or anything. They can choose whoever they like, from whatever country they like, from whatever background they like. It's a complete non issue as far as I'm concerned.
Broadcasting in Scotland isn't devolved so I don't know how it would work to be honest. After independence, if it happens then there will likely be some kind of national broadcaster. The funding model would probably have to be different though.
I'm not talking about broadcasting in Scotland or wherever, I'm talking about the OP where they basically moan about only people from England being in Big Brother and hoping the channel fails miserably, etc.
I'm not talking about broadcasting in Scotland or wherever, I'm talking about the OP where they basically moan about only people from England being in Big Brother and hoping the channel fails miserably, etc.
For me personally I just want the folk in BB to be hot. Nationality don't matter to me. Shallow! lol
Probably the same as the population covered by BBC Northern Ireland and BBC Wales (2 million)
BBC North West covers about 1.5 million more people than BBC Scotland, despite having a geographically smaller area (although this are does stretch from the English Midlands and the Welsh border to almost the Scottish border)
On another note YAY another thread where we can all feel victimised and hard done to because of our perceived nationality! We were severly lacking these :rolleyes:
Wikipedia informs me that the population of countries in the UK are as follows:
England - 50 Million
Scotland - 5 Million
Wales - 3 Million
Northern Ireland - 2 Million
United Kingdom TOTAL: 60 Million
Therefore, if someone was choosing people randomly and without any prejudice to appear in Big Brother, there would be more or less an 83% chance that the person would be a resident of England.
They haven't put in any housemates that are over 30 either. I feel that I am not being represented by this 'diverse' house and demand that somebody sets up a channel that has a reality show featuring over-30s. I'm outraged.
By that logic only Scottish people can appear on BBC Scotland so it would reduce programming to about one hour a day:eek:
to be fair the BBC Scotland paid for only by Scottish peoples licence fees, could hire a English person to help out, but obviously it would risk pissing off Scottish licecne fee payers, who expected it to be all Scottish all the time.
The BBC im sure at present has some non Brits working in it.
to be fair the BBC Scotland paid for only by Scottish peoples licence fees, could hire a English person to help out, but obviously it would risk pissing off Scottish licecne fee payers, who expected it to be all Scottish all the time.
The BBC im sure at present has some non Brits working in it.
The reality is that often when the BBC makes programmes in Scotland they ship up production teams from England instead of using local people in the industry. It's not about employing Scots it's about providing employment in Scotland. Unions like BECTU are doing their best to try and change this by training local workers up with specialist skills to try and change the practice of not using local talent. There's not a massive a media industry in Scotland so with what work is there it would be good if workers based in Scotland were working on it strengthening the industry and expertise up here.
im not sure if your posts is saying that the BBC is wrong to do what its doing, as there maybe a skills shortage that may require some nonScottish talent to work on BBC Scotland productions.
Really pissed off that ch5 have not put 1 non-English person into big Brother house,a program famed for diversity, 14 housemate All from England ,do no other nationality's now exist outside England ,cant ever remember seeing a program on ch5 that was based in Scotland Wales or N.I. .
Hope this channel suffers badly in terms of viewers and income from advertiser's ,phone line's and they wake up to a U.K. audience.
They certainly don't suffer from bizarre use of apostrophes.
The thought of a show casting in a certain way purely for the sake of ticking diversity boxes saddens me greatly. Perhaps it was simply the case that they were the best 14 applicants? I believe that unlike previous years due to time constraints no auditions were held outside of London and Manchester this year, so it is quite plausible that the number of non English applications was low anyway.
Yep, both London and Manchester are famed for their complete lack of non-English residents. :rolleyes:
Yeah so stop moaning as if you receive less. You say what do u get that's just for you guys. Is Home and Away any less Australian or Desperate Housewives any less American because it's screened in the UK. No it it's not and neither is network programming. It's English. You have a strong media industry so stop moaning and trying to fabricate a situation where England is the victim.
But we are victims too. If our regional quota was slightly lower than yours, I wouldn't complain. However, our regional quota is FAR lower than yours. Like I said in my other post, Inside Out is only on for about half the year. Right now its not on and nor it seems is 'The Late Kick Off' football highlights programme even though the season has already started which means we currently have virtually nothing outside of local news.
When you consider that regional programming on ITV in England has been cut back to virtually nothing as well except for the local news, the BBC should be stepping up to the plate to make up the short-fall. They've only partially done that.
I know we've argued about this before on another thread and I know you feel just as strongly about this as I do from a different perspective. Ultimately, I think the problem is that the BBC perpetuates the sense of Britishness too much at the expense of the individual identity of the constituent nations. Yes, the BBC's programmes tend to be English-centric but even then they avoid use of the word England whenever they can so its frustrating from our point of view as well. Our frustration is that the BBC pretend England doesn't exist.
For what its worth, I agree with you and others on this thread who have suggested a seperate state-funded channel for Scotland. That would be the best solution.:)
The reason for this is because Most British people are English and so British culture is English culture. Scottish and Welsh culture exists in it's own right as does Englishness, it's just called Britishness to make the rest of us feel included. It doesn't work.
You're right. It doesn't work. Not for us, not for you, not for anyone. We need seperate tv channels.
500 miles between Lerwick and Dumfries, 300 miles between Portree and Eyemouth. What English region covers this geographical spread?
What is the population covered by BBC South West?
OK, fair enough. Out of the devolved nations, Scotland has by far the strongest case for being split into regions for local news bulletins. Having said that, you've still got STV providing far more localised programmes with seperate local news programmes for the Edinburgh and Glasgow areas plus another service for the north of Scotland, along with ITV providing a service for the Scottish Borders.
Maybe the BBC have decided its not worth spending money replicating that.
As for the English regions, well I admit my BBC South-East region is quite small but I know other English regions are not so lucky. BBC South West doesn't seem too big although as I don't live there Im not in the best position to judge. As another poster said, the BBC North-West region does seem a little big, as does the BBC Midlands service. My neighbouring region BBC South also covers far too big an area and I've seen many people on here from that part of the south complaining about just that. Not that Meridian is any better though.:rolleyes:
im not sure if your posts is saying that the BBC is wrong to do what its doing, as there maybe a skills shortage that may require some nonScottish talent to work on BBC Scotland productions.
I'm saying that the BBC needs to start using local people in Scotland. The skills are here but there has been a culture of not using us. We're trying to change that so there is more media work up here for us to work on and so we don't all need to go off to England to find work. It's cheaper for the BBC to hire local instead of shipping up teams from down South. Having the Scottish soap River City is actually a really good thing for the industry up here because it's a constant source of work and a way for people to hone their skills up here locally.
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As for the English regions, well I admit my BBC South-East region is quite small but I know other English regions are not so lucky. BBC South West doesn't seem too big although as I don't live there Im not in the best position to judge. As another poster said, the BBC North-West region does seem a little big, as does the BBC Midlands service. My neighbouring region BBC South also covers far too big an area and I've seen many people on here from that part of the south complaining about just that. Not that Meridian is any better though.:rolleyes:
BBC South at least has a sub region for the extreme north of it's region covering Oxfordshire, Swindon and the surrounding area. Now remember the Meridian West news area covers the exact same area as South Today without the sub-opt bulletin! :rolleyes: Not to mention the additional news from the Meridian East area which covers Kent, East Sussex and South Essex.
BBC East and BBC South West also have sub-opt bulletins. The latter is for the Channel Islands which has always tagged on to the SW.
As for your own region, it will get slightly bigger next year when Brighton at long lasts switches from South Today to SET when Whitehawk Hill switches as a relay of Rowridge to Heathfield.
Yep, both London and Manchester are famed for their complete lack of non-English residents. :rolleyes:
No need to be so cantankerous. I was just making the point that the auditions tour was smaller than normal. They didn't go to Glasgow, Dublin, Belfast and Cardiff like they normally do. Therefore, I think it's a fair assumption that the number of Scottish, Irish and Welsh applicants would be lower than normal, wouldn't you agree?
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Not at all. Scotland pays money to the BBC same as England. If Scotland was to have a national broadcaster it would have to be at least partially state funded due to population size. We couldn't do it just from a licence fee.
I'm not complaining about the lack of Scot's on Big Brother. Our having no Scottish housemates doesn't bother me at all. It's not exactly quality programming. I just felt it was necessary to point out how wrong one of the other posters was when they were trying to make out England was under represented on television compared to Scotland. . . . Oh and incidentally, if I could be arsed wasting the energy I'd pull you up about the ignorance of your post but like I said I'm not wasting energy.
I'd have thought Salmond would have jumped on the idea what with his campaign for Independence because it would be a real vote puller, but then like you I guess he's realised it couldn't be done by a separate licence for income alone, mind you there's nothing that I can see that would stop Scotland having a channel via satellite and paid for by subscription and advertising instead though is there?
Or would that not pull enough revenue?
I agree too and while I think there are issues with broadcasting in Scotland I don't think this is one.
Broadcasting in Scotland isn't devolved so I don't know how it would work to be honest. After independence, if it happens then there will likely be some kind of national broadcaster. The funding model would probably have to be different though.
For me personally I just want the folk in BB to be hot. Nationality don't matter to me. Shallow! lol
Thank you for making my point.
England - 50 Million
Scotland - 5 Million
Wales - 3 Million
Northern Ireland - 2 Million
United Kingdom TOTAL: 60 Million
Therefore, if someone was choosing people randomly and without any prejudice to appear in Big Brother, there would be more or less an 83% chance that the person would be a resident of England.
By that logic only Scottish people can appear on BBC Scotland so it would reduce programming to about one hour a day:eek:
The BBC im sure at present has some non Brits working in it.
The reality is that often when the BBC makes programmes in Scotland they ship up production teams from England instead of using local people in the industry. It's not about employing Scots it's about providing employment in Scotland. Unions like BECTU are doing their best to try and change this by training local workers up with specialist skills to try and change the practice of not using local talent. There's not a massive a media industry in Scotland so with what work is there it would be good if workers based in Scotland were working on it strengthening the industry and expertise up here.
They certainly don't suffer from bizarre use of apostrophes.
Yep, both London and Manchester are famed for their complete lack of non-English residents. :rolleyes:
When you consider that regional programming on ITV in England has been cut back to virtually nothing as well except for the local news, the BBC should be stepping up to the plate to make up the short-fall. They've only partially done that.
I know we've argued about this before on another thread and I know you feel just as strongly about this as I do from a different perspective. Ultimately, I think the problem is that the BBC perpetuates the sense of Britishness too much at the expense of the individual identity of the constituent nations. Yes, the BBC's programmes tend to be English-centric but even then they avoid use of the word England whenever they can so its frustrating from our point of view as well. Our frustration is that the BBC pretend England doesn't exist.
For what its worth, I agree with you and others on this thread who have suggested a seperate state-funded channel for Scotland. That would be the best solution.:) You're right. It doesn't work. Not for us, not for you, not for anyone. We need seperate tv channels. OK, fair enough. Out of the devolved nations, Scotland has by far the strongest case for being split into regions for local news bulletins. Having said that, you've still got STV providing far more localised programmes with seperate local news programmes for the Edinburgh and Glasgow areas plus another service for the north of Scotland, along with ITV providing a service for the Scottish Borders.
Maybe the BBC have decided its not worth spending money replicating that.
As for the English regions, well I admit my BBC South-East region is quite small but I know other English regions are not so lucky. BBC South West doesn't seem too big although as I don't live there Im not in the best position to judge. As another poster said, the BBC North-West region does seem a little big, as does the BBC Midlands service. My neighbouring region BBC South also covers far too big an area and I've seen many people on here from that part of the south complaining about just that. Not that Meridian is any better though.:rolleyes:
I'm saying that the BBC needs to start using local people in Scotland. The skills are here but there has been a culture of not using us. We're trying to change that so there is more media work up here for us to work on and so we don't all need to go off to England to find work. It's cheaper for the BBC to hire local instead of shipping up teams from down South. Having the Scottish soap River City is actually a really good thing for the industry up here because it's a constant source of work and a way for people to hone their skills up here locally.
BBC South at least has a sub region for the extreme north of it's region covering Oxfordshire, Swindon and the surrounding area. Now remember the Meridian West news area covers the exact same area as South Today without the sub-opt bulletin! :rolleyes: Not to mention the additional news from the Meridian East area which covers Kent, East Sussex and South Essex.
BBC East and BBC South West also have sub-opt bulletins. The latter is for the Channel Islands which has always tagged on to the SW.
As for your own region, it will get slightly bigger next year when Brighton at long lasts switches from South Today to SET when Whitehawk Hill switches as a relay of Rowridge to Heathfield.
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