My computer keeps shutting down

c0boc0bo Posts: 6,468
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Hello everyone and a happy new year.

I recently got a computer of my sister and it keeps shuutting down.
It happens mostly when I'm installing something.
Thanks and I'll be grateful of your help.
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  • Mystic EddyMystic Eddy Posts: 3,987
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    What operating system is it running and what are programs are you trying to install when it shuts down? Does it display any error messages or beep before it shuts and is it well ventilated?
  • c0boc0bo Posts: 6,468
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    What operating system is it running and what are programs are you trying to install when it shuts down? Does it display any error messages or beep before it shuts and is it well ventilated?

    The operating system is Windows XP and I was installing an updated version of Itunes for my Ipod. The computer also shuts down when I'm ripping music of a CD or installing Windows Media Player or on the internet.
    No it doesn't display a error message and yes it does beep before it shuts down and also it take ages to to turn it back on.

    Yes it is well ventilated.
  • jjesso123jjesso123 Posts: 5,944
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    c0bo wrote: »
    The operating system is Windows XP and I was installing an updated version of Itunes for my Ipod. The computer also shuts down when I'm ripping music of a CD or installing Windows Media Player or on the internet.
    No it doesn't display a error message and yes it does beep before it shuts down and also it take ages to to turn it back on.

    Yes it is well ventilated.

    Check event viewer. Start and search and may display why turns off. Sounds like hardware problem to me. may to early to judge.

    What full specs of PC make and model would be useful.
  • c0boc0bo Posts: 6,468
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    jjesso123 wrote: »
    Check event viewer. Start and search and may display why turns off. Sounds like hardware problem to me. may to early to judge.

    What full specs of PC make and model would be useful.

    Sorry but I'm going to sound stupid but how do I find out the full specs of a computer?
    And sadly I don't know the make of my computer.
  • jjesso123jjesso123 Posts: 5,944
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    c0bo wrote: »
    Sorry but I'm going to sound stupid but how do I find out the full specs of a computer?
    And sadly I don't know the make of my computer.

    IF you go in system information should be there. Go to start and search system information press enter it should load. IF the windows xp was OEM and installed by the manufacture then should say the model of the PC too. I would also contact who ever the PC was bought off.
  • c0boc0bo Posts: 6,468
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    jjesso123 wrote: »
    IF you go in system information should be there. Go to start and search system information press enter it should load. IF the windows xp was OEM and installed by the manufacture then should say the model of the PC too. I would also contact who ever the PC was bought off.

    Thanks,
    I think I found it:

    System
    Microsoft Windows XP Professional Version 2002 Service pack 2.

    Computer
    Intel (R)
    Celeron (R) CPU 2.40GHz
    2.42 GHz, 248 MB of RAM

    I hope that helps.
    I did contact the person who I bought computer of and they said that it has never broken down on them.
  • radioman2radioman2 Posts: 1,562
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    Two things you may want to try.Firstly there's not much memory installed,trying to run ITunes and similar software with insufficient memory will mean it's very sluggish when you ask it to do anything other than the very basic stuff,I'd increase the memory to at least 512mb or better still 1 GB which should improve things.Secondly you MUST run the Windows Update service and install Service Pack 3 since your P.C is currently vulnerable to heaps of things that hackers have developed since Service Pack 2 was released.Many software updates for the likes of ITunes will probably insist on Service Pack 3 being installed before you can even start updating their software.Here's hoping that the version of Windows that's installed isn't dodgy,if it is then your P.C would fail the Windows Genuine advantage test and updates wouldn't be available until it passes the validation test.



    c0bo wrote: »
    Thanks,
    I think I found it:

    System
    Microsoft Windows XP Professional Version 2002 Service pack 2.

    Computer
    Intel (R)
    Celeron (R) CPU 2.40GHz
    2.42 GHz, 248 MB of RAM

    I hope that helps.
    I did contact the person who I bought computer of and they said that it has never broken down on them.
  • c0boc0bo Posts: 6,468
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    radioman2 wrote: »
    Two things you may want to try.Firstly there's not much memory installed,trying to run ITunes and similar software with insufficient memory will mean it's very sluggish when you ask it to do anything other than the very basic stuff,I'd increase the memory to at least 512mb or better still 1 GB which should improve things.Secondly you MUST run the Windows Update service and install Service Pack 3 since your P.C is currently vulnerable to heaps of things that hackers have developed since Service Pack 2 was released.Many software updates for the likes of ITunes will probably insist on Service Pack 3 being installed before you can even start updating their software.Here's hoping that the version of Windows that's installed isn't dodgy,if it is then your P.C would fail the Windows Genuine advantage test and updates wouldn't be available until it passes the validation test.
    Thanks.
    So your saying that if I get Service Pack 3 that should stop the computer from shutting down.
    And with any luck I should get Pack 3 without the computer shutting down on me.
  • radioman2radioman2 Posts: 1,562
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    I'd say that you should install all available updates anyway to secure your P.C but some updates may help you when it comes to downloading ITunes' latest version.Another thing worth considering is removing the side of the computer's case and then removing the dust that's probably lurking inside,whilst you're at it check that the fan that's sitting atop of the processor is running properly and if you're happy to do so also check that the heatsink and fan aren't clogged with dust.A build up of dust will degrade the cooling abilities of the heatsink and fan possibly causing the processor to overheat.I usually check mine every six months but that's mainly due to the presence of 5 cats in the house and their fur seems to get drawn in by the PSU fan.


    c0bo wrote: »
    Thanks.
    So your saying that if I get Service Pack 3 that should stop the computer from shutting down.
    And with any luck I should get Pack 3 without the computer shutting down on me.
  • zx50zx50 Posts: 91,270
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    c0bo wrote: »
    Thanks,
    I think I found it:

    System
    Microsoft Windows XP Professional Version 2002 Service pack 2.

    Computer
    Intel (R)
    Celeron (R) CPU 2.40GHz
    2.42 GHz, 248 MB of RAM

    I hope that helps.
    I did contact the person who I bought computer of and they said that it has never broken down on them.

    My eyes nearly popped out of their sockets when I saw how much ram you had in it. 250MB of RAM :eek: I remember back in 2004, my HDD used to thrash like mad before I installed 2GB in it.
  • c0boc0bo Posts: 6,468
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    radioman2 wrote: »
    I'd say that you should install all available updates anyway to secure your P.C but some updates may help you when it comes to downloading ITunes' latest version.Another thing worth considering is removing the side of the computer's case and then removing the dust that's probably lurking inside,whilst you're at it check that the fan that's sitting atop of the processor is running properly and if you're happy to do so also check that the heatsink and fan aren't clogged with dust.A build up of dust will degrade the cooling abilities of the heatsink and fan possibly causing the processor to overheat.I usually check mine every six months but that's mainly due to the presence of 5 cats in the house and their fur seems to get drawn in by the PSU fan.

    Oh right I see.

    A few questions:

    How do I remove the side of a computer?
    What does the heatsink look like?
  • zx50zx50 Posts: 91,270
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    c0bo wrote: »
    Oh right I see.

    A few questions:

    How do I remove the side of a computer?
    What does the heatsink look like?

    The side panel of the tower should screw off. Some screws at the back of the panel. The heat sink is the bottom of the fan.

    http://www.3cvillage.com/cayman/images/heatsink-cm-sock-a-a.jpg

    I'd also advise you not to go removing anything. No offense, but it seems as if you don't know anything about computers.
  • c0boc0bo Posts: 6,468
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    zx50 wrote: »
    The side panel of the tower should screw off. Some screws at the back of the panel. The heat sink is the bottom of the fan.

    http://www.3cvillage.com/cayman/images/heatsink-cm-sock-a-a.jpg

    I'd also advise you not to go removing anything. No offense, but it seems as if you don't know anything about computers.
    Your right I don't know anything about computers. :(
    So what do I do?
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    zx50 wrote: »
    I'd also advise you not to go removing anything. No offense, but it seems as if you don't know anything about computers.

    I would agree i would not attempt opening up the case if i was you OP if you have a dell machine run the hardware diagnostics as seems it may be hardware related with it shutting down maybe overheating has the case been hot to the touch or psu related. If the ram was 248mb then your computer would be unlikely to run if you have an decent antivirus and firewall installed and running as it would take 256mb or more to run more than you supposedly have.
    My advice would be take it to a local computer repair shop and they will diagnose it for a small charge.
  • max99max99 Posts: 9,002
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    Does the computer actually shut down or restart itself?

    Is there a brand name (Dell, Packard Bell, etc.) on the case or sticker? And is there a Windows XP serial code stuck to the back or side of the case?
  • c0boc0bo Posts: 6,468
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    I would agree i would not attempt opening up the case if i was you OP if you have a dell machine run the hardware diagnostics as seems it may be hardware related with it shutting down maybe overheating has the case been hot to the touch or psu related. If the ram was 248mb then your computer would be unlikely to run if you have an decent antivirus and firewall installed and running as it would take 256mb or more to run more than you supposedly have.
    My advice would be take it to a local computer repair shop and they will diagnose it for a small charge.
    Thanks I'll take your advice about visiting a local computer repair shop.
    Sometimes I just wish that I knew how a computers works. :(
  • c0boc0bo Posts: 6,468
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    max99 wrote: »
    Does the computer actually shut down or restart itself?

    Is there a brand name (Dell, Packard Bell, etc.) on the case or sticker? And is there a Windows XP serial code stuck to the back or side of the case?

    The computer just literally shuts down.
    Their is no brand name on the case and their is no serial code stuck on the side or the back of the case.
  • max99max99 Posts: 9,002
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    c0bo wrote: »
    The computer just literally shuts down.
    Their is no brand name on the case and their is no serial code stuck on the side or the back of the case.

    This means it's a dodgy copy of XP and more likely a hardware problem. To be honest, you're probably better off picking up a refurbished PC online, usually around £80 or less. These will come with a small warranty and genuine XP. Even if you pay someone to fix this, you'll still need more RAM, XP will still be dodgy and a second-hand computer really should be wiped and reinstalled before using it anyway.
  • The RatThe Rat Posts: 6,048
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    c0bo wrote: »
    So your saying that if I get Service Pack 3 that should stop the computer from shutting down.
    And with any luck I should get Pack 3 without the computer shutting down on me.

    Before continuing this discussion your should install SP3 and all important updates through Windows Update before continuing with the troubleshooting. There is no guarantee that that will fix your problems, it likely on its own won't, but it is important that you put your system to it most up to date configuration before continuing.

    Dave
  • c0boc0bo Posts: 6,468
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    max99 wrote: »
    This means it's a dodgy copy of XP and more likely a hardware problem. To be honest, you're probably better off picking up a refurbished PC online, usually around £80 or less. These will come with a small warranty and genuine XP. Even if you pay someone to fix this, you'll still need more RAM, XP will still be dodgy and a second-hand computer really should be wiped and reinstalled before using it anyway.

    Well after looking at it again I did see a sticker say "Intel inside Celeron" at the front and their is sticker with a code on it.
  • max99max99 Posts: 9,002
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    c0bo wrote: »
    Well after looking at it again I did see a sticker say "Intel inside Celeron" at the front and their is sticker with a code on it.

    Unless the sticker looks like this, it's a pirated copy of XP.
  • radioman2radioman2 Posts: 1,562
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    A lack of licence key sticker doesn't always mean it's a pirate copy.My earlier suggestion of running the Windows update tool would usually include the routine that kicks off the Genuine Advantage tool.If it passes that then I'd carry on using the installed version of XP,Clearly if there's a problem with the installation of windows then you might have problems if you haven't got the Windows installation disc.


    max99 wrote: »
    Unless the sticker looks like this, it's a pirated copy of XP.
  • max99max99 Posts: 9,002
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    radioman2 wrote: »
    A lack of licence key sticker doesn't always mean it's a pirate copy.My earlier suggestion of running the Windows update tool would usually include the routine that kicks off the Genuine Advantage tool.If it passes that then I'd carry on using the installed version of XP,Clearly if there's a problem with the installation of windows then you might have problems if you haven't got the Windows installation disc.

    A second-hand, unbranded PC, running XP Pro with no COA. What are the chances of it being genuine?

    The problem with using the installed version of XP is that no one knows exactly what condition it's in or if it's full of malware and the previous owner's (maybe dubious) files and internet history. A clean install is always recommended with used PCs, but as you note, this is going to be difficult for an inexperienced user with no XP disk. Add the fact it's shutting itself down, doesn't have enough RAM, almost certainly has a dodgy XP and the better option would be to buy a properly refurbished machine rather than pay someone to try and fix this one.
  • c0boc0bo Posts: 6,468
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    max99 wrote: »
    Unless the sticker looks like this, it's a pirated copy of XP.
    What about this http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t40/Cobon/Video200m03s.jpg?
  • max99max99 Posts: 9,002
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    c0bo wrote: »

    Yes, that's an XP serial. Although it looks ripped and you can no longer read the key, you can use Magic Jelly Bean to reveal it. Make a note of the key, as you will need it if you reinstall XP.
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