My Brother the Islamist
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12900460. On BBC Three earlier.
Basically about a guy who converted to extremist Islam, his brother did a documentary on him. Quite difficult viewing at times. I felt sorry for the 17 year old kid his brother took under his wing. I hope he finds a better path.
Been quite a few days for Tv about nutters, what with the Westboro thing and now this lol. But respect to the guy doing the filming must have been so hard for him:(
Basically about a guy who converted to extremist Islam, his brother did a documentary on him. Quite difficult viewing at times. I felt sorry for the 17 year old kid his brother took under his wing. I hope he finds a better path.
Been quite a few days for Tv about nutters, what with the Westboro thing and now this lol. But respect to the guy doing the filming must have been so hard for him:(
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IMO, people like that are mentally unstable. It sounds like someone looking 'for something' who fell prey to a cult-like brainwashing.
I know people have been rescued from cults in the past but it's never without trauma for everyone concerned.
Considering the high regard that the majority of Americans have for 'Old Glory', I find it strange that I can't remember the reports of gangs of Americans rampaging across the Country be-heading people.
It is a constant struggle. We speak out at disassociation from them and we get accused of making excuses and that we're the same as them or that we're not real Muslims anyway.
There's so much ground to make up but I believe it can be done.
Bit like those Irish ones who blew that poor lad up
Loads of nuttahs in the name of whatever
Maybe it's because I just can't get my head around stoning people ........oh, and I am REALLY evil because I like listening to music.
I'm sure I used to live in a normal world.
Please keep at it, because if the group shown were typical, the world is going to be a very scary place for the next generation.
Spot on about the 'you're just saying that to appear nice and be no threat' - have had that a lot. Anyone would think I'm part of a sleeper cell the way they go on
It does get a bit mental sometimes. But in a way we have let things get to this state by not being tough enough internally to minimise the amount of fundamentalist and radical views.
I have my problems with the British army as an Irish man, but the way that group was chanting and screaming at soldiers in the street was an absolute disgrace.
Imagine the roles being reversed and that happening in an Islamic country.
I find these fanatics very creepy.
Exactly.
Some of their messages and posters are hateful. Surely they could be charged under a hate-crime?
I think its ashame that these men let religion rule their lives.
They might be stoned or be-headed. Is that really the type of behaviour you want to see in Britain?
Of course not, and you know why? Because despite all the crap people throw at the West we haven't actually done that over here since the middle ages. The only reason THEY are allowed to do it is because of where they are. The enemy within the gates. People should rightly be very concerned.
So lets be glad we aren't in an Islamic country, and we do allow freedom of speech, even if we don't agree with what is being said by some people.
There's 'freedom of speech' and there's 'taking the p***'.
Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
If you're a moderate Muslim who does speak out and tries to put the point across that these extremists are nutters and doesn't represent you, or your faith, you are called an apologist.
If you don't speak out, you get accused of condoning it somehow.
I'm an atheist myself, but I too have been called an Islamic apologist (by my own brother no less who is becoming scarily anti-Islamic). But then again, I have also had posters on here have a go at me when I dared to point out that not all Catholic priests are paedos a couple of years ago.
Indeed, which is why the law draws a line in the sand. Cross that line and you face sanction. You can argue that the sanctions aren't strong enough, or even that the line is set too liberally, but that's a different issue.
The problem is though, we all have different ideas where that line should be drawn. Personally, I think it is about right. You can pretty much say what you like until you cross into calling for the murder of others and advocating violence.
They should be charged for threatening behaviour, indecent behaviour and hate-crimes. A few months locked up should do it. Let the prisoners know about their actions.
You don't own a rucksack do you?. Every Asian who owns a rucksack is a potential terrorist.
Now let your women out of the basement.