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"Give the effing Tories a kick forever vote Yes"..Cameron
So Cameron knows that the biggest incentive for Scots to vote Yes is to get rid of the Tories forever.........he is worried and rather emotional as he knows that focus groups show a massive majority for independence.
Also have to laugh at big businesses urging a No vote, after all most of their boards are stuffed with Tory sponsors and benefactors and don't give a toss about Scotland , they are only interested in power influence and profits.
Also have to laugh at big businesses urging a No vote, after all most of their boards are stuffed with Tory sponsors and benefactors and don't give a toss about Scotland , they are only interested in power influence and profits.
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there has been continous tory rule since 1979
only a fool would suggest Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were to the left of Thatcher
come on Scotland, break his effing heart
Or we might get our Country back (although I fear Labour caused so much damage, it's probably beyond repair).:(
We will get out country back and it will recover from the stupidity of the last 35 years.
I know it's bad but it's nowhere near as bad as Germany in 1945 and they bounced back. where there's a will there's a way.
i agree, tories in Scotland without the baggage of Thatcher etc could do very well in an independent Scotland. A few of the tory voters i know are voting YES
i dont think its a bad thing to have a wide spectrum of views on offer at elections,unlike the **** paper parties of westminster
It will take decades for them to recover, the poll tax and destruction of manufacturing industry are still well remembered up there. It might help them to re-brand as "Scottish Christian Democrats" or some other name to distance themselves from the Westminster Tories.
aye
conservative/tory brand will be forever toxic
Please do not describe those two incompetence as Conservatives - we don't want them.
Well that's the thing - if Scotland votes Yes then surely there is no need for the SNP to exist and the three main parties would probably separate from their English counterparts and run on their own tickets/policies. So Scotland would essentially have a whole raft of new political parties free from past Westminster links (after a while at least, because some of the old faces would obviously stick around.)
The Conservatives didn't want Thatcher in 1990 did they? "Treachery with a smile on its face", nice to see her get the treatment from her own people.
That seems perfectly sensible to me.
Yeah we could give then back Tony Blair Eduactaed at Fettes Scotlands foremost public school.:o
Gordon Brown would also make himself available.;-)
But they come from the same area ideologically, although this is quite removed from traditional conservatism.
Indeed and it would be very interesting to watch. Would Salmond retire? Would they split into left and right? Would a Conservative party distinct from the Tories do well? Would they have a range of different parties with different policies and ideologies rather than the Westminster lot who all believe the same things? As a student of history (and the Anglo-Scottish Union) it is fascinating to see this unfold and an actual Yes vote would be momentous to look back on and study.
Tony Blair? Scottish. Born in Edinburgh our Tony
Indeed they already have a high proportion of a government.
Tony Blair -Leader.
Gordon Brown- Chencellor.
John Reid -Home Secretary.
Get the idea.:D
At least she was Conservative Leader - Blair was not (although I will grant he joined the Young Conservatives in his younger years although I think that was more to do with narcissism than any political conviction.
I suppose Labour could re-brand as Social Democrats, Tories as Christian Democrats and the LibDems as something less toxic than their current name. If they use a PR electoral system, other parties will probably emerge in time.
Best description of Tony Blair I have read for a long time.
Leo his father was to stand as a conservative MP before sadly having a stroke.
I think Blair Junior saw a gap in Labour IE they had not been in power in years and were desperate for it at any cost.:(
Why? Because England will never trust Labour again?
Except he didn't say that, did he?
David Cameron speech: "effing Tories"
The most worrying aspect of this entire charade is the extent to which people aren't just misrepresenting things, they're flat-out lying.
What a way to start a new country, built on lies.
This hits the nail on the head.
There will not be years of 'Tory' misrule as such. (Southern) England is much more Conservative-oriented than Scotland is, but the result will not be years of Conservative government.
What will happen, as happened post-Thatcher when the left had been left weakened by events, is that all parties will move to the right.
Our 'democracy', due to FPTP, is little more than two arbitrary coalitions passing the parcel to each other when one becomes unpalatable.
This process will continue, but in order to gain power without the more socialist Scotland, Labour will move to the right, with the Conservatives following suit in order to allow the two to be distinguished. The coalitions will move, and the result will be that the Tories will be more despised than ever in Wales and the remote English regions.
Maybe one day folks will cotton on to the fact that it's the system that's letting people down rather than the parties per se.
I doubt many of these "concessions" will see the light of day if it's a NO, which is why I hope Scotland votes YES.