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WTF is Turkey playing at ?

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http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/09/30/islamic-terror-state-isis-to-open-its-first-consulate-in-turkey/

Please tell me that this is a hoax...

We are allowing injured ISIS soldiers who are intent on martyrdom (cough) to heal up and the aid to be paid for with the ransom money of those who did capitulate.

I may not want involved in this affair, but this is the sort of think that makes war inevitable. Turkey is in effect giving succour to ISIS and can only really be considered an ally of ISIS IF this information is true.

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    TheTruth1983TheTruth1983 Posts: 13,462
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    That site is blocked at work with the reason "racial hatred". That alone makes me think it is not a credible source.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 71
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    I really do hope this is a hoax..

    This world is getting more farcical by the second.
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    smudges dadsmudges dad Posts: 36,989
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    I'm sure that a site called barenakedislam is totally objective and unbiased NOT
    I wouldn't believe a thing written on it
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    stoatiestoatie Posts: 78,106
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    That site is blocked at work with the reason "racial hatred". That alone makes me think it is not a credible source.

    Yeah, I'll have to read it somewhere a little less toxic before I give it any thought.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 6,848
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    Turkey hates Kurds, IS hates Kurds.

    Turkey should not even be in NATO
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    AdsAds Posts: 37,059
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    The site is a load of rubbish, but Turkey's role has been pretty ambiguous during the whole ISIS affair. I wonder if they do have some informal agreement with ISIS that they will leave them alone if ISIS don't come over the border into Turkey. Turkey has a lot of ISIS sympathisers living there, and the current administration is much more religious thna previous secular administrations. The whole situation could become very delicate there.
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    paulschapmanpaulschapman Posts: 35,536
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    That site is blocked at work with the reason "racial hatred". That alone makes me think it is not a credible source.

    To be honest there is at least a grain of truth in that. Turkey has indeed returned a number of ISIS troops in a prisoner swap and yes it is a daft policy.

    ISIS alongside a number of other(s) in the region kidnap has become the norm and many prisoners are swapped for money - indeed it can often mean millions of dollars in income to these groups. While this remains lucrative then they are going to engage in more kidnapping so such things will only make matter worse not better.

    Corruption is endemic in the region as well and often money in the hands of even the right Syrian government official can see a prisoner released so it is not just ISIS and the fanatics doing this.
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    spookyLXspookyLX Posts: 11,730
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    more than likely a hoax , Turkish army has deployed tanks along their border so am guessing they will not be welcoming ISIS anytime soon
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    MandarkMandark Posts: 47,964
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    Ads wrote: »
    The site is a load of rubbish, but Turkey's role has been pretty ambiguous during the whole ISIS affair. I wonder if they do have some informal agreement with ISIS that they will leave them alone if ISIS don't come over the border into Turkey. Turkey has a lot of ISIS sympathisers living there, and the current administration is much more religious thna previous secular administrations. The whole situation could become very delicate there.
    Watched the Turkish PM interview on CNN. Claims he wants guarantees that Assad will be removed and a stable Syria to follow the aftermath before he even considers moving against ISIS. Also wants a no fly zone over Syria but America won't provide one.

    I respect Obama for trying not to avoid getting into major conflicts around the world but he's got to realise that he won't be remembered as the peace loving president despite his Nobel award. He'll be remembered more like Woodrow Wilson who pontificated about not getting involved in Europe's war (WWI) then did in the end anyway.hell be seen as a bit weak.
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    phylo_roadkingphylo_roadking Posts: 21,339
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    When it comes to world affairs - there's nothing new under the sun. There have been plenty of three-way battles...or ones where it should have been two parties allied against the third - and one p[arty has decided at the last minute to remain aloof so that the others weaken themselves foirst...

    This affair at Kobane is very much like the large French Resistance rising(s) post-DDay in Metropolitan France; in one very major case, the uprising on the Vercours plateau, the resisters there were promised every level of support, from a British Airborne drop to being supplied themselves with heavy and anti-tank weapons...but DeGaulle vetoed it, as the resisters at Vercours were mostly from Communist or Socialist groups; the Government-in-exile was looking at events with an eye to what was going to happen AFTER the war...when they did not weant strong, well-armed, Communist and more extreme Socialist groups contesting their automatic takeover of a Liberated France! So they let them be butchered, and prevented the British flying aid to Vercours.

    They very nearly managed the same coup with the Psris uprising...but luckily, the primarily Socialist and Union-based Paris resisters were able to directly contact Gen. LeClerc's Free French Division, and with American help he was able to double-time into Paris.

    The Turks are doing exactly the same - sitting back while the Kurds on their immediate border are fatally weakened, while wanting guarantees on how things will play out - the no-fly zone in Iraq, the West intervening in Syria - before doing anything. The problem for Turkey is...no matter how hard they try to drive off the world's press corps gathered at Kobane, we can see and know what is going on, and what they are not doing....
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    RecordPlayerRecordPlayer Posts: 22,648
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    Turkey hates Kurds, IS hates Kurds.

    Turkey should not even be in NATO

    I'm starting to have doubts about them being in NATO, myself. Turkey committed genocide against the Kurds - i can't see them willing to help the Kurds now.
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    jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,997
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    IS is fighting Kurds, Turkey sits on hands as it doesn't like Kurds as they want an independent state formed from parts of Syria, Turkey and Iraq.
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    Jim_McIntoshJim_McIntosh Posts: 5,866
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    The Kurds have had the worst of it from everybody. I suspect the map of the Middle East will look quite different in 20-30 years time.
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    MandarkMandark Posts: 47,964
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    IS is fighting Kurds, Turkey sits on hands as it doesn't like Kurds as they want an independent state formed from parts of Syria, Turkey and Iraq.
    I agree. The Turks must think that there's only one thing worse than having IS on their border and that's having a strong independent Kurdistan come out of the Iraq/Syria mess claiming Turkish 'Kurdistan'.

    The West may let Turkey have its way for strategic reasons but this will be remembered. Unlike with the failed uprisings in WWII, there's no overall war to overshadow it in such a way.
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    phylo_roadkingphylo_roadking Posts: 21,339
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    Mandark wrote: »
    I agree. The Turks must think that there's only one thing worse than having IS on their border and that's having a strong independent Kurdistan come out of the Iraq/Syria mess claiming Turkish 'Kurdistan'.

    The problem is - if they helped the Kurds in Iraq, then the Kurds would most probably withdraw back into the areas they were forced out of at the end of the first Gulf War, into their own self-governed area of Iraq around Erbil.
    The West may let Turkey have its way for strategic reasons but this will be remembered. Unlike with the failed uprisings in WWII, there's no overall war to overshadow it in such a way.

    I'm not sure that Big Nose was the kind of guy to really worry about who saw what he was at or not ;-)
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    Blockz99Blockz99 Posts: 5,045
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    When it comes to world affairs - there's nothing new under the sun. There have been plenty of three-way battles...or ones where it should have been two parties allied against the third - and one p[arty has decided at the last minute to remain aloof so that the others weaken themselves foirst...

    This affair at Kobane is very much like the large French Resistance rising(s) post-DDay in Metropolitan France; in one very major case, the uprising on the Vercours plateau, the resisters there were promised every level of support, from a British Airborne drop to being supplied themselves with heavy and anti-tank weapons...but DeGaulle vetoed it, as the resisters at Vercours were mostly from Communist or Socialist groups; the Government-in-exile was looking at events with an eye to what was going to happen AFTER the war...when they did not weant strong, well-armed, Communist and more extreme Socialist groups contesting their automatic takeover of a Liberated France! So they let them be butchered, and prevented the British flying aid to Vercours.

    They very nearly managed the same coup with the Psris uprising...but luckily, the primarily Socialist and Union-based Paris resisters were able to directly contact Gen. LeClerc's Free French Division, and with American help he was able to double-time into Paris.

    The Turks are doing exactly the same - sitting back while the Kurds on their immediate border are fatally weakened, while wanting guarantees on how things will play out - the no-fly zone in Iraq, the West intervening in Syria - before doing anything. The problem for Turkey is...no matter how hard they try to drive off the world's press corps gathered at Kobane, we can see and know what is going on, and what they are not doing....



    Its not the only problem facing Turkey. At some point there will be a Kurdistan in the next few years . It will have oil and money. It will have a sizeable population. Whether this new country goes down the road of democracy ,the kleptocracy ala Russia or the theocracy of Iran and the gulf states remains to be seen. The Kurds will not forget how Turkey has acted in all this . It beggars belief why Turkey would want a new enemy on its border in the coming years. I suppose this shows the ignorance of the Erdogan game play.
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