Devon posted this days ago and said it was coming, we said back then it was far too much and for 1/4 of the price you could get unlimited DC-HSPA.
I did didn't I. I'd almost forgotten that. Yeah, old news!
Aw, I really thought we were going to have a Three/O2 episode there... just like old times. 1 G&T and I'm ready for anything! But I've been told before, alcohol and forums don't mix Hahahaha.... Sorry
I never take sides but I was on Yours!:D
Does LTE even breath? They won't pump the coverage thing as it's variable.
I'm pretty sure it does being a 3G technology. I guess they might later once there's 80% or so coverage and they can get a better idea of the 2G/LTE variation when the network is under load (assuming (but not stating) it does breath).
The biggest issue for EE is not price - it's that the technology has yet to find a purpose that folks want to pay for.
I work in a tekkie type business and nobody is talking about 4G. They talk about new smartphones and tablets but not about LTE because as yet there is no particular need for it.
O2's CEO made the point that LTE technology will not in itself be a big attraction until there are services that can be delivered that make it of value to consumers.
3G was not a success until the Internet became mainstream on smartphones, 4G won't justify a price premium until something new makes it worth paying extra for. (The networks may have to price it more realistically as they run out of 3G bandwidth in the future).
Bottom line is that EE have not really done anything to encourage uptake of LTE with their data limits and high pricing policy to date.
As others have said they are the only operator with 4G at the moment. It seems to have gone well in the US, lots of customers are upgrading to 4G.
It will mean file downloads, app downloads (especially bigger apps) and dropbox uploads, cloud sync etc will be faster. It also means streams start quicker and are more reliable.
It doesn't suffer from cell breathing as much and it should give more consistently fast speeds and wider coverage eventually.
It will mean file downloads, app downloads (especially bigger apps) and dropbox uploads, cloud sync etc will be faster. It also means streams start quicker and are more reliable.
For iPhone users, it's a shame Apple still have that ridiculous, draconian limit on downloads from the App Store when not using wifi. What is it, 50MB? It's terrible anyway. Even an acknowledgment screen for every 'large' download, or an option in the settings, would be better than an outright block.
I'll be told off now for even mentioning that word.
How very dare you mention that word on here. God damit man, have you no shame? Everyone knows Three stinks and that other network is truly superior. LOL
I think I have agreed with him before once.. But that's maybe why it's snowing (everything) everywhere. Hell has indeed frozen over.
Yeah back along (Devonian term) I agreed too, several times in fact. I was trying to be nice. Fat lot of good that did. I was trying to be nice in my Marriage and look where that got me.
I'm getting divorced and you've made it fecking snow..... Brilliant!!
Early adopters always get shafted. Want a Exclusive new product... You pay dear. There was a warning on here over a month ago for anyone wanting to sign up to wait till the end of Jan..
Forgot to say 4G customers seem to get priority on 3G over Orange and TMUK customers with data. Could be just the EE APN seeing less traffic but I get much faster speeds than friends on the same phone model, same location with them on the same mast. Even more noticeable at peak......
I like you have been shafted by EE. Ooh what a lovely warm feeling inside!
It's only 5 quid for god's sake! I get that knocked off anyway now I've transfered my 10% Orange loyalty discount.
Well ok, £4.60 but it's close.
For iPhone users, it's a shame Apple still have that ridiculous, draconian limit on downloads from the App Store when not using wifi. What is it, 50MB? It's terrible anyway. Even an acknowledgment screen for every 'large' download, or an option in the settings, would be better than an outright block.
iPhone users need protection from themselves! Seriously if you don't want to be stopped by Nanny Apple then the iPhone isn't for you
Alternatively Jail breaking offers an effective workaround for silly restrictions. Otherwise buy a more sensible phone.
For iPhone users, it's a shame Apple still have that ridiculous, draconian limit on downloads from the App Store when not using wifi. What is it, 50MB? It's terrible anyway. Even an acknowledgment screen for every 'large' download, or an option in the settings, would be better than an outright block.
I think a lot of it comes down to the networks in the US, especially AT&T. They have only recently started allowing Facetime over 4G and now 3G. It is easier for Apple to make the limits and restrictions universal so they can tell customers the limit is 50MB rather than have different limits depending on the country and network.
Its different with Android as there is no real relationship between Google and the networks.
I've never understood the app size limit.. As Apple have a closer relationship with the networks I think it's that. Google is against limits so they'd never do it whatever the Networks asked for. Apple gets a cut of the plan cash so carriers maybe can ask for certain restrictions.. Seeing they kept back FaceTime over cellular for so long it's the best guess.
iPhone users need protection from themselves! Seriously if you don't want to be stopped by Nanny Apple then the iPhone isn't for you
Alternatively Jail breaking offers an effective workaround for silly restrictions. Otherwise buy a more sensible phone.
Sorry mate, I love Nanny Apple. It means I can't get a mobile trojan and my kids can't download porn apps.
Nothing Apple does stops me from enjoying my iPhone 5. Nothing. it does everything I want, really quickly.
It feels like a million quid in my hand.
I would agree though that the 50 meg limit needs raising a bit. But for the average user with a 500 meg allowance and no idea what a megabyte is, it's a good thing and that's why Apple do it. Google don't give a toss if your bill is £200 quid coz you went over your limit. Why? Because the guy in the street doesn't even know his phone's running Android and even if he did he wouldn't know Google was behind it. I know this becoase I deal with the general public on a daily basis and most of them struggle with the term "smartphone".
What needs to happen is all networks need to adopt the Three/EE4G/T-Mobile way of doing data. When you run out, the connection stops until you buy some more. It should be the law. Then the 50 meg limit could be removed completely because people would know where they were and wouldn't get shafted for extra charges. it would also make users more aware of how much data they have and how it get used with different services.
Is that a fair comeback?
Sorry mate, I love Nanny Apple. It means I can't get a mobile trojan and my kids can't download porn apps.
Nothing Apple does stops me from enjoying my iPhone 5. Nothing. it does everything I want, really quickly.
It feels like a million quid in my hand.
I would agree though that the 50 meg limit needs raising a bit. But for the average user with a 500 meg allowance and no idea what a megabyte is, it's a good thing and that's why Apple do it. Google don't give a toss if your bill is £200 quid coz you went over your limit. Why? Because the guy in the street doesn't even know his phone's running Android and even if he did he wouldn't know Google was behind it. I know this becoase I deal with the general public on a daily basis and most of them struggle with the term "smartphone".
What needs to happen is all networks need to adopt the Three/EE4G/T-Mobile way of doing data. When you run out, the connection stops until you buy some more. It should be the law. Then the 50 meg limit could be removed completely because people would know where they were and wouldn't get shafted for extra charges. it would also make users more aware of how much data they have and how it get used with different services.
Is that a fair comeback?
Don't tell the kids about the Playboy App or they can browse porn sites using Safari
Agreed Devon. Having worked in the mobile industry several times.. The majority are not like folk on here. We are the minority, a small minority.
There is nothing that my iPhone doesn't do that I need it to do due to Apples 'closed' approach.
Then there is jail breaking. My old 4S is jailbroken only for two apps which are specific to network and cellular analysis... I dont need them and its uber geeky that i use them. Funnily enough these two apps are not available on Android!
Sorry mate, I love Nanny Apple. It means I can't get a mobile trojan and my kids can't download porn apps.
Nothing Apple does stops me from enjoying my iPhone 5. Nothing. it does everything I want, really quickly.
It feels like a million quid in my hand.
I would agree though that the 50 meg limit needs raising a bit. But for the average user with a 500 meg allowance and no idea what a megabyte is, it's a good thing and that's why Apple do it. Google don't give a toss if your bill is £200 quid coz you went over your limit. Why? Because the guy in the street doesn't even know his phone's running Android and even if he did he wouldn't know Google was behind it. I know this becoase I deal with the general public on a daily basis and most of them struggle with the term "smartphone".
What needs to happen is all networks need to adopt the Three/EE4G/T-Mobile way of doing data. When you run out, the connection stops until you buy some more. It should be the law. Then the 50 meg limit could be removed completely because people would know where they were and wouldn't get shafted for extra charges. it would also make users more aware of how much data they have and how it get used with different services.
Is that a fair comeback?
Are you saying tbe Iphone is designed for wooden tops.
Age restrictions on app purchasing and Safari can be disabled. Boo-ya
God, thank you. Got me out of a spot. Yes, of course. EE (and I suspect all other networks) restrict adult content by default. You have to specifically remove it and luckily my kids don't know my EE login. That would clearly be stupid!
And of course for WiFi and cellular you can restrict content within iOS.
I'm not owned. Sorry Everything
Ok you got me. I'm owned. My kids would be impressed that I know what that means at 44 years of age Haha... But wait.......
God, thank you. Got me out of a spot. Yes, of course. EE (and I suspect all other networks) restrict adult content by default. You have to specifically remove it and luckily my kids don't know my EE login. That would clearly be stupid!
And of course for WiFi and cellular you can restrict content within iOS.
I'm not owned. Sorry Everything
Where there's a will there's a way....
Kids are smart and Jail Breaking would be kids play (pun intended)
Does LTE even breath? They won't pump the coverage thing as it's variable.
You were right, I was wrong. No LTE does not breath like 3G.
Got my lines crossed there. Unlike 3G, LTE uses OFDM and assigns each handset an individual sub-carrier. This means that LTE coverage is not effected by more users joining a cell.
This is great though and backs up your findings where LTE coverage mirrors 2G. Can't wait to get it down here.
One thing that screws with cellular is geography. Down here its very hilly. This sometimes helps plan a network and sometimes hinders but the main problem is nearly every single Village is in a valley. Obviously for shelter. There are about 8 villages where I go to sort customers PC probs and I don't think any one of them has 3G outside. But, they do have usable 2G.
It's so bloody annoying when you jump in your car, go to look up Maps and find you're on 2G (mostly GPRS) now my sim sticks to TM cells like ***t to a blanket.
This is why I have been banging on about the coverage rather then speed for the last year.
Locking people into 2 year contracts should be banned IMO, but then charging silly money for the service on top, criminal..... It's nice to have a faster speed I suppose, but, I doubt it's essential for most people.
I don't really care who is offering the product, I'll wait until the prices drop to sensible levels for sensible people........;)
I'll tell you what does screws up LTE coverage.. Scaffolding near a mast. My signal level has plummeted since scaffolding has been put up on a nearby 5 story building that is between me and the nearest mast. (Its about 40m from the mast itself) 3G has taken a dive too, not so bad though probably as I'm switching to another mast. Probably seeing the worst of it because LTE only just overlaps right now rather than blanket 3G were used to.
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I did didn't I. I'd almost forgotten that. Yeah, old news!
Aw, I really thought we were going to have a Three/O2 episode there... just like old times. 1 G&T and I'm ready for anything! But I've been told before, alcohol and forums don't mix Hahahaha.... Sorry
I never take sides but I was on Yours!:D
I'm pretty sure it does being a 3G technology. I guess they might later once there's 80% or so coverage and they can get a better idea of the 2G/LTE variation when the network is under load (assuming (but not stating) it does breath).
I work in a tekkie type business and nobody is talking about 4G. They talk about new smartphones and tablets but not about LTE because as yet there is no particular need for it.
O2's CEO made the point that LTE technology will not in itself be a big attraction until there are services that can be delivered that make it of value to consumers.
3G was not a success until the Internet became mainstream on smartphones, 4G won't justify a price premium until something new makes it worth paying extra for. (The networks may have to price it more realistically as they run out of 3G bandwidth in the future).
Bottom line is that EE have not really done anything to encourage uptake of LTE with their data limits and high pricing policy to date.
It will mean file downloads, app downloads (especially bigger apps) and dropbox uploads, cloud sync etc will be faster. It also means streams start quicker and are more reliable.
It doesn't suffer from cell breathing as much and it should give more consistently fast speeds and wider coverage eventually.
All on different servers
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5872/screenshot2013012222422.png
For iPhone users, it's a shame Apple still have that ridiculous, draconian limit on downloads from the App Store when not using wifi. What is it, 50MB? It's terrible anyway. Even an acknowledgment screen for every 'large' download, or an option in the settings, would be better than an outright block.
How very dare you mention that word on here. God damit man, have you no shame? Everyone knows Three stinks and that other network is truly superior. LOL
Yeah back along (Devonian term) I agreed too, several times in fact. I was trying to be nice. Fat lot of good that did. I was trying to be nice in my Marriage and look where that got me.
I'm getting divorced and you've made it fecking snow..... Brilliant!!
I like you have been shafted by EE. Ooh what a lovely warm feeling inside!
It's only 5 quid for god's sake! I get that knocked off anyway now I've transfered my 10% Orange loyalty discount.
Well ok, £4.60 but it's close.
iPhone users need protection from themselves! Seriously if you don't want to be stopped by Nanny Apple then the iPhone isn't for you
Alternatively Jail breaking offers an effective workaround for silly restrictions. Otherwise buy a more sensible phone.
*sigh*
Really?
I think a lot of it comes down to the networks in the US, especially AT&T. They have only recently started allowing Facetime over 4G and now 3G. It is easier for Apple to make the limits and restrictions universal so they can tell customers the limit is 50MB rather than have different limits depending on the country and network.
Its different with Android as there is no real relationship between Google and the networks.
Sorry mate, I love Nanny Apple. It means I can't get a mobile trojan and my kids can't download porn apps.
Nothing Apple does stops me from enjoying my iPhone 5. Nothing. it does everything I want, really quickly.
It feels like a million quid in my hand.
I would agree though that the 50 meg limit needs raising a bit. But for the average user with a 500 meg allowance and no idea what a megabyte is, it's a good thing and that's why Apple do it. Google don't give a toss if your bill is £200 quid coz you went over your limit. Why? Because the guy in the street doesn't even know his phone's running Android and even if he did he wouldn't know Google was behind it. I know this becoase I deal with the general public on a daily basis and most of them struggle with the term "smartphone".
What needs to happen is all networks need to adopt the Three/EE4G/T-Mobile way of doing data. When you run out, the connection stops until you buy some more. It should be the law. Then the 50 meg limit could be removed completely because people would know where they were and wouldn't get shafted for extra charges. it would also make users more aware of how much data they have and how it get used with different services.
Is that a fair comeback?
Don't tell the kids about the Playboy App or they can browse porn sites using Safari
https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/playboy-for-iphone/id555938669?mt=8
pwnd
There is nothing that my iPhone doesn't do that I need it to do due to Apples 'closed' approach.
Then there is jail breaking. My old 4S is jailbroken only for two apps which are specific to network and cellular analysis... I dont need them and its uber geeky that i use them. Funnily enough these two apps are not available on Android!
Age restrictions on app purchasing and Safari can be disabled. Boo-ya
Are you saying tbe Iphone is designed for wooden tops.
Ok you got me. I'm owned. My kids would be impressed that I know what that means at 44 years of age Haha... But wait.......
God, thank you. Got me out of a spot. Yes, of course. EE (and I suspect all other networks) restrict adult content by default. You have to specifically remove it and luckily my kids don't know my EE login. That would clearly be stupid!
And of course for WiFi and cellular you can restrict content within iOS.
I'm not owned. Sorry Everything
Where there's a will there's a way....
Kids are smart and Jail Breaking would be kids play (pun intended)
Well my oldest is 10 and her favourite thing is playing Temple Run 2. Don't think I have much to worry about just yet
Im sure you will be both proud and annoyed if he ever manages to jail break your iPhone :cool:
You were right, I was wrong. No LTE does not breath like 3G.
Got my lines crossed there. Unlike 3G, LTE uses OFDM and assigns each handset an individual sub-carrier. This means that LTE coverage is not effected by more users joining a cell.
This is great though and backs up your findings where LTE coverage mirrors 2G. Can't wait to get it down here.
One thing that screws with cellular is geography. Down here its very hilly. This sometimes helps plan a network and sometimes hinders but the main problem is nearly every single Village is in a valley. Obviously for shelter. There are about 8 villages where I go to sort customers PC probs and I don't think any one of them has 3G outside. But, they do have usable 2G.
It's so bloody annoying when you jump in your car, go to look up Maps and find you're on 2G (mostly GPRS) now my sim sticks to TM cells like ***t to a blanket.
This is why I have been banging on about the coverage rather then speed for the last year.
I don't really care who is offering the product, I'll wait until the prices drop to sensible levels for sensible people........;)
I'll tell you what does screws up LTE coverage.. Scaffolding near a mast. My signal level has plummeted since scaffolding has been put up on a nearby 5 story building that is between me and the nearest mast. (Its about 40m from the mast itself) 3G has taken a dive too, not so bad though probably as I'm switching to another mast. Probably seeing the worst of it because LTE only just overlaps right now rather than blanket 3G were used to.