Will we see trouble when Romanian migrants enter Britain?

Black Velvet · 09/03/13 - 17:02

This is from the Daily Mail so I don't know if this story is just scaremongering or just trying to whip up hatred?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2290480/Romanian-migrants-blamed-rise-crime-German-town-Duisburg.html

gemma-the-husky · 09/03/13 - 17:06

in the Uk, we will see grumbling and moaning, but very little trouble, as we accept another mess foisted on us by our glorious leaders.

stevejk75 · 09/03/13 - 17:16

God help us.:mad:

dekaf · 09/03/13 - 17:18

Most probably.

Where are they going to live for a start?

Not enough jobs.

Those pictures look horrendous. Scaremongering or just a sneak preview of what is to come?

[Deleted User] · 09/03/13 - 17:40

dekaf wrote: »

Most probably.

Where are they going to live for a start?

Not enough jobs.

Those pictures look horrendous. Scaremongering or just a sneak preview of what is to come?

I assume wherever they like. Local councils will be expected to pick up the slack.

[Deleted User] · 09/03/13 - 17:52

Of course we will after the Daily Mail & Express have convinced the great hoardes that masses of Polish plumbers & Romanian scrap metal merchants are stopping the population from becoming millionaires. No doubt Farage will be banging on about the mass arrivals ad infintum.

[Deleted User] · 09/03/13 - 17:54

At any time the UK government can refuse them entry. The worst that could happen is the UK gets thrown out of the EU.

flagpole · 09/03/13 - 17:59

there are only two positions on this:
1- the world will end.
2- the people who hold position 1 are unstable, alarmist or racist. nothing will happen

As is often the case the truth is somewhere in between. I think it's difficult to know at this stage but it makes sense to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. the number of pickpockets and organised beggars in london is sure to rise.

Uncle Fester · 09/03/13 - 18:07

They are already here in my area

Ads · 09/03/13 - 18:12

The Daily Mail is of course in full scare mongering mode, but I am struggling to see what positives mass immigration from these two countries will cause, but I can see a lot of negatives.

If anyone thinks there will be any positives then let us know. I guess Big Business will be happy as lots of cheap labour to keep wages down.

gemma-the-husky · 09/03/13 - 18:12

it's exploitation in reverse actually

decades, or hundreds of years ago, the great european trader nations exploited the poor round the world

now we have a welfare state, the position is reversed. the poor of the world can come here, accept our largesse, and send it back "home" where the families of the poor are now comparatively very wealthy.

and by living in excessive population densities (ie many to a house), they reduce their living costs here.

on reflection, the government could stop this by simply ascribing a maximum number of occupants per dwelling.

[Deleted User] · 09/03/13 - 18:17

Ads wrote: »

I am struggling to see what positives mass immigration from these two countries will cause.

It should get easier to buy clothes pegs.

timetosaygoodby · 09/03/13 - 18:46

Here is the petition to stop them from coming

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/41492

It has over 87,000 signatures already and should pass 100,000 next week

Capablanca · 09/03/13 - 18:49

They can come so long as every Roma man, woman and child locates to Chipping Norton and Primrose Hill.

I'll be happy then. Share the joy.:)

deptfordbaker · 09/03/13 - 19:00

You have to hand it to the Daily Mail they sure can pick some great photos to go with their articles. Love the one with the finger gesture.

deptfordbaker · 09/03/13 - 19:04

Ads wrote: »

The Daily Mail is of course in full scare mongering mode, but I am struggling to see what positives mass immigration from these two countries will cause, but I can see a lot of negatives.

If anyone thinks there will be any positives then let us know. I guess Big Business will be happy as lots of cheap labour to keep wages down.

Immigration is like a drug, its ok in small regular doses, but take to much and it will make you ill.

BTW: I meant a medicinal drug not the illegal kind.

Annsyre · 09/03/13 - 19:11

gemma-the-husky wrote: »

it's exploitation in reverse actually

decades, or hundreds of years ago, the great european trader nations exploited the poor round the world

now we have a welfare state, the position is reversed. the poor of the world can come here, accept our largesse, and send it back "home" where the families of the poor are now comparatively very wealthy.

and by living in excessive population densities (ie many to a house), they reduce their living costs here.

on reflection, the government could stop this by simply ascribing a maximum number of occupants per dwelling.

You have already made this silly suggestion on another thread.

The government cannot "ascribe" maximum numbers.

Annsyre · 09/03/13 - 19:12

ItJustMyOpinion wrote: »

You have to hand it to the Daily Mail they sure can pick some great photos to go with their articles. Love the one with the finger gesture.

Will they all need "mansions" to house their large families?

[Deleted User] · 09/03/13 - 19:12

Anger on the streets of Bucharest. Thousands of Romanians staged a third straight day of protests on Saturday (January 14). What began as an opposition to a bill on healthcare reform widened to a condemnation of the government's austerity measures. Police fired tear gas to disperse the protesters. Several people were injured and taken to the hospital. Some protesters scuffled with police. An officer suffered a head injury after demonstrators pelted him with stones. The protests broke out after the deputy health minister resigned, objecting to health reforms proposed by the government. Critics of the bill argue that it favored private health care practitioners. Facing mounting pressure, President Traian Basescu scrapped the bill, saying he realised that it lacked support. (SOUNDBITE) (Romanian) PRESIDENT OF ROMANIA, TRAIAN BASESCU, SAYING: "Nobody from the system wants changes. Or very few want it -- maybe young and middle age doctors. Hospitals do not want changes, family doctors do not want it, the system itself doesn't want it." The move did not pacify the protesters. They called for Basescu's resignation and early elections. (SOUNDBITE) (Romanian) PROTESTER, SAYING: "Thieves, bandits, people have nothing to live with! Resign! Resign! Resign!" The protests come in the wake of unpopular austerity measures taken by the government, such as cutting public sector salaries. The measures followed an aid deal signed with the IMF two years ago, intended to shore up the country's finances. Michaela Cabrera,

http://www.reuters.com/video/2012/01/15/clashes-in-bucharest-anti-austerity-prot?videoId=228595720

[Deleted User] · 09/03/13 - 19:19

That's an absolutely pathetic exercise in xenophobia, even by the Daily Mail's standards.

If we want to argue against immigration then fair enough - make some sort of reasonable argument about the economy, jobs, public services, or whatever else. However there's no excuse for just attempting to demonise two nations of people.

[Deleted User] · 09/03/13 - 19:27

bunk_medal wrote: »

That's an absolutely pathetic exercise in xenophobia, even by the Daily Mail's standards.

If we want to argue against immigration then fair enough - make some sort of reasonable argument about the economy, jobs, public services, or whatever else. However there's no excuse for just attempting to demonise two nations of people.

I agree - but with this being free movement, which sections of either society are going to move in droves?

Plus the Benefit system is already crumbling - the only way I can see the UK can cope with the additional welfare is by having Labour pulling imaginary money out of its collectivized arse and placing the country in more debt.

[Deleted User] · 09/03/13 - 19:38

It's actually quite true that many modern day street scams have Romanian origin such as the Maradona. The good news is it almost never turns violent. There seems to be an acceptance of scamming and cheating of foreigners in that culture. That being said, all the criminals who were going to move to Britain are already here.In certain areas, you might even have been subjected to their scams. Criminals do not wait for laws to change in seeking new pastures. Those who are left are the professionals and middle class who want to play by the rules. If we exclude them, then we are left with the worst of the bunch.

This was borne out in a study that was published by The Economist some years back regarding some other migratory patterns.

flagpole · 09/03/13 - 19:42

bunk_medal wrote: »

That's an absolutely pathetic exercise in xenophobia, even by the Daily Mail's standards.

If we want to argue against immigration then fair enough - make some sort of reasonable argument about the economy, jobs, public services, or whatever else. However there's no excuse for just attempting to demonise two nations of people.

are Romanians not responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime in this country?

deptfordbaker · 09/03/13 - 19:44

bunk_medal wrote: »

That's an absolutely pathetic exercise in xenophobia, even by the Daily Mail's standards.

If we want to argue against immigration then fair enough - make some sort of reasonable argument about the economy, jobs, public services, or whatever else. However there's no excuse for just attempting to demonise two nations of people.

Sakozy just deported all the Roma from France?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11020429

BBC wrote:

Dozens of Roma (Gypsies) have arrived back in Romania after being repatriated by France under a controversial policy backed by President Nicolas Sarkozy.

Some 86 Roma left France and hundreds more will follow in the coming weeks after their camps were shut down.

The French government says it is a "decent and humane" policy of removing people from deplorable conditions.

But rights groups say the Roma are being demonised, and Romania has warned France against "xenophobic reactions".

I find it fascinating how the French system seems to handle the EU and Human Right's so much better than the UK.

The Roma are EU citizens, mostly from Romania or Bulgaria, but French law requires them to have a work permit and prove they have the means to support themselves if they intend to stay for more than three months.

They complain that the permits are difficult to get, and so they are often forced to live illegally.

Last week, members of the UN's Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination criticised the tone of political discourse in France on race issues, saying racism and xenophobia were undergoing a "significant resurgence" there.

But France has insisted that the actions "fully conform with European rules and do not in any way affect the freedom of movement for EU citizens, as defined by treaties".

Foreign ministry spokesman Bernard Valero told AFP that an EU directive "expressly allows for restrictions on the right to move freely for reasons of public order, public security and public

France repatriated some 10,000 Roma last year and other European countries, including Germany, Italy, Denmark and Sweden pursued similar policies.

It will be interesting to see how our politicians handle it.

Biffo the Bear · 09/03/13 - 19:49

They'll be okay if they're working, but there seems to be a cultural shift they need to make to be nice and tidy - that would help a lot.

There's an issue on a street not a million miles from here where one Roma family are somehow creating numerous bins' worth of rubbish a week and piling up the stuff on the pavement when their bins are full, and the place looks disgusting in the run up until bin day.

If they could be educated on how things work when living around others then there shouldn't really be a problem.

[Deleted User] · 09/03/13 - 19:57

flagpole wrote: »

are Romanians not responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime in this country?

The classic response is usually to say something along those lines: "it's not xenophobia, it's just that the people we're demonising really are that bad."

If you want to argue that Romanians are all fundamentally criminals then go ahead. It doesn't make the article any better.

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