Apple lose appeal

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Apple have lost their appeal against an earlier ruling over claims that Samsung had copied them in the british court.

The judge had ordered Apple to run ads saying Samsung had not infringed its rights. Judge Birss said one notice should remain on Apple's website for at least half a year while other adverts should be placed in various magazines and newspapers to "correct the damaging impression" that Samsung was a copycat.

[url] http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19989750[/url]
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  • -ajm--ajm- Posts: 5,804
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    I thought this was already announced a while ago?
  • CoolboyACoolboyA Posts: 10,447
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    -ajm- wrote: »
    I thought this was already announced a while ago?
    Apple took it to appeal though, as they always do. However now it's been firmly put in place that Apple are in the wrong.
  • swordmanswordman Posts: 6,679
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    still have to run the ads saying sorry :D
  • Rich_LRich_L Posts: 6,110
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    These apology ads should be good, although I suspect Apple will appeal over those too.
  • plateletplatelet Posts: 26,358
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    We're sorry that we said Samsungs tablet was too like ours, it's now been legally established that ours is way cooler.
  • swordmanswordman Posts: 6,679
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    Dont think there is scope for further appeals
  • VoynichVoynich Posts: 14,481
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    :eek: An apology? The evangelicals will be livid. One was ranting online that Apple should refuse to allow the British to buy their products. Maybe it can be worded that Samsung devices just aren't 'cool' enough to be confused with Apple! That's what the judge originally said after all.
  • paulbrockpaulbrock Posts: 16,632
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    well going to be hard to spin the notice:

    http://nipclaw.blogspot.co.uk/2012_08_01_archive.html
    Judge Birss did, however, order Apple to display the following notice on the home page of its UK website in a font size no smaller than Arial 14 with a hyperlink to Judge Birss's judgment of 9 July for a period of 6 months from the date of the Order:
    "On 9th July 2012 the High Court of Justice of England and Wales ruled that Samsung Electronics (UK) Limited's Galaxy Tablet computers, namely the Galaxy Tab 10.1, Tab 8.9 and Tab 7.7 do not infringe Apple's registered design 000181607-0001. A copy of the full judgment of the High Court is available via the following link [insert hyperlink]."
    Apple was also ordered to insert an advertisement containing the same notice in The Financial Times, The Daily Mail; The Guardian; Mobile Magazine and T3 magazine.

    edit:that's a lot of words to put on a minimalist design home page :D
  • swordmanswordman Posts: 6,679
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    :D Expect flag burning protests outside British embassy
  • grumpyoldbatgrumpyoldbat Posts: 3,663
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    It won't make any difference though. Apple got awarded a whole new load of patents the other day. Expect more suits soon! :rolleyes:
  • RoushRoush Posts: 4,366
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    paulbrock wrote: »
    well going to be hard to spin the notice:

    http://nipclaw.blogspot.co.uk/2012_08_01_archive.html
    Judge Birss did, however, order Apple to display the following notice on the home page of its UK website in a font size no smaller than Arial 14 with a hyperlink to Judge Birss's judgment of 9 July for a period of 6 months from the date of the Order:
    "On 9th July 2012 the High Court of Justice of England and Wales ruled that Samsung Electronics (UK) Limited's Galaxy Tablet computers, namely the Galaxy Tab 10.1, Tab 8.9 and Tab 7.7 do not infringe Apple's registered design 000181607-0001. A copy of the full judgment of the High Court is available via the following link [insert hyperlink]."
    Apple was also ordered to insert an advertisement containing the same notice in The Financial Times, The Daily Mail; The Guardian; Mobile Magazine and T3 magazine.

    edit:that's a lot of words to put on a minimalist design home page :D

    They don't need to put all of that on their home page. They only have to have a 'Samsung/Apple UK judgment' link on the home page.

    Also, they only have to have it there for one month, rather than the 6 months that Judge Birss originally ordered.

    Still not good news for them though, and given that they've asked for publicity orders in some cases (that are yet to come to judgement) they can't really cry foul about it.
  • paulbrockpaulbrock Posts: 16,632
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    Roush wrote: »
    They don't need to put all of that on their home page. They only have to have a 'Samsung/Apple UK judgment' link on the home page.

    Spoilsport :(;)
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,837
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    Find it hilarious that Apple tried to take out these rival products now they have to advertise their existence on their website for 30 days.
  • swordmanswordman Posts: 6,679
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    good old British legal system
  • omnidirectionalomnidirectional Posts: 18,795
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    Good to see common sense prevail with Apple losing again. These patent/infringement case failures must be getting quite costly now and generating ill-feeling towards the company. I'd just like the recent US verdict to be overturned now, i'm less confident about that though.
  • -ajm--ajm- Posts: 5,804
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    Can we have a level playing field now? And some inovation?
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    from time to time i like to post this image:
    http://nigelcoldwell.co.uk/test/padd.jpg
  • niceguy1966niceguy1966 Posts: 29,560
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    Good to see common sense prevail with Apple losing again. These patent/infringement case failures must be getting quite costly now and generating ill-feeling towards the company. I'd just like the recent US verdict to be overturned now, i'm less confident about that though.

    Hmmm, $1B Vs. An Advert. I think Apple are still ahead in this silly game.

    I'm so pleased companies weren't allowed to patent "look and feel" 100 years ago.

    Can you imagine if every manufacturers' keyboard had to have the keys in a different order to avoid a lawsuit! Or if the first person to use a triangle for "play" and a square for "stop" had exclusive rights.

    Sometimes the world is better when everyone does things the same way.
  • paulbrockpaulbrock Posts: 16,632
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    flagpole wrote: »
    from time to time i like to post this image:
    http://nigelcoldwell.co.uk/test/padd.jpg

    There's regularly times when using my Nexus 7 that it makes me feel like I should be on the Enterprise....

    Now if only I had a voice-activated drinks dispenser!
  • RoushRoush Posts: 4,366
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    I'm so pleased companies weren't allowed to patent "look and feel" 100 years ago.

    They were.

    The first US design patent was granted in 1842.

    I can't find an exact date they became available in the UK, but they were definitely permitted under The Designs and Patents Act 1907.

    Just to point out as well, the QWERTY keyboard layout was patented in 1878. That hasn't stopped it becoming the 'standard' keyboard layout for the English alphabet.
  • niceguy1966niceguy1966 Posts: 29,560
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    Roush wrote: »
    They were.

    The first US design patent was granted in 1842.

    I can't find an exact date they became available in the UK, but they were definitely permitted under The Designs and Patents Act 1907.

    I'm sure it was something that actually had a design, not a square with rounded corners.
  • StigglesStiggles Posts: 9,618
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    Roush wrote: »
    They were.

    The first US design patent was granted in 1842.

    I can't find an exact date they became available in the UK, but they were definitely permitted under The Designs and Patents Act 1907.

    Most companies however use common sense. Apple on the other hand wants to be the sole people to make touch-screen phones and tablets as well as stifling innovation. an absolute disgrace of a company. I'm glad they lost this. They are beginning to look even more foolish than they already were. The apology is going to be a huge embarrassment for them and make your average joe look differently on apple.

    I'm pretty sure they will lose the appeal in the states as well soon.
  • kidspudkidspud Posts: 18,341
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    Stiggles wrote: »
    Most companies however use common sense. Apple on the other hand wants to be the sole people to make touch-screen phones and tablets as well as stifling innovation. an absolute disgrace of a company. I'm glad they lost this. They are beginning to look even more foolish than they already were. The apology is going to be a huge embarrassment for them and make your average joe look differently on apple.

    I'm pretty sure they will lose the appeal in the states as well soon.

    I expect the average joe does not even know what the court case (or the appeal) is about.
  • paulbrockpaulbrock Posts: 16,632
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    Probably not, but as the 3rd most shared story on the BBC right now, plenty of average joes will get at least a hint that Apple done bad.
  • kidspudkidspud Posts: 18,341
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    paulbrock wrote: »
    Probably not, but as the 3rd most shared story on the BBC right now, plenty of average joes will get at least a hint that Apple done bad.

    It will create interest as Apple always does. But first, this is the result of the appeal and therefore if people where really interested they would have already known Apple lost.

    Also, I don't know what is meant by Apple done bad. They tried to protect what they felt was their right to protect (whether we agree or not) and some who read the story will actually agree with Apples view.

    I think the link being put on the apple website is a complete waste. Most people go to the website to read/buy apple products, you will be lucky if anyone clicks on the link (except people who are curious).
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