Because they are like real labour used to be, before they became tories in disguise. The snp would force labour to be more leftist and that's good for the English left.
And such is the gullibility and naivety of the Left.
All the SNP will be interested in is screwing as much for Scotland out of Numpty Miliband as they possibly can. They couldn't give two figs about the rest of the UK.
Everyone NOT on the dopey Left should hope the SNP aren't anywhere near the balance of power. Sadly it is looking very likely.
Because they are like real labour used to be, before they became tories in disguise. The snp would force labour to be more leftist and that's good for the English left.
Is it? - when the Labour Party were left wing they didnt win elections.
It's called democracy - if you don't like it..........................move.
Oh no it's not. It's called FPTP.
If the SNP won the proportionate number of seats to votes, it would stand very little chance of holding the balance of power - even if it did fantastically well in vote share.
I have no problem with small parties having influence in coalition when they have the good of the entire country at heart. That does not apply to the SNP.
If the SNP won the proportionate number of seats to votes, it would stand very little chance of holding the balance of power - even if it did fantastically well in vote share.
I have no problem with small parties having influence in coalition when they have the good of the entire country at heart. That does not apply to the SNP.
And FPTP is part of the democratic process as laid down by Parliament - therefore it's democracy.
Many times Scotland returned a majority of Labour MPs only to be stuck with a Tory Government thanks to English votes.
It was okay then - now all of a sudden it's a major problem?
Is it? - when the Labour Party were left wing they didnt win elections.
This. The question is how big is the English left? It's no coincidence that Labour became a centre right party (and still is) to beat the Tories. And now the Tories and Labour are both trying to fight off the even further right UKIP. So Scotland might look like wanting a centre left government, but does England?
If the SNP won the proportionate number of seats to votes, it would stand very little chance of holding the balance of power - even if it did fantastically well in vote share.
I have no problem with small parties having influence in coalition when they have the good of the entire country at heart. That does not apply to the SNP.
Ergo the SNP shouldn't be allowed to be part of the UK Parliament and should be outlawed from being allowed to field candidates in the UK GE. Seems reasonable....
And FPTP is part of the democratic process as laid down by Parliament - therefore it's democracy.
Many times Scotland returned a majority of Labour MPs only to be stuck with a Tory Government thanks to English votes.
It was okay then - now all of a sudden it's a major problem?
Parliament does not decide what constitutes democracy. The dictionary does, and FPTP does not comply in any shape or form. Under no stretch of the imagination can democracy be described as "government by the will of a minority of the people".
If you're complaining that Scotland was governed by the Conservatives ruling by majority on a minority of votes, then fine. That goes for every government since the war other than the period of the Lib-Lab coalition and the one we have now.
They were, at least, national parties rather than the nasty, parochial bunch of Little Scotlanders.
Because they are like real labour used to be, before they became tories in disguise. The snp would force labour to be more leftist and that's good for the English left.
Whether the SNP is left or right is just a quirk of timing, the Scots aren't voting for them because of their political leaning.
Whether the SNP is left or right is just a quirk of timing, the Scots aren't voting for them because of their political leaning.
We are also not voting for them as a majority. Last time I saw a poll the SNP were under 50%. Of course becuase the way our system works they might get 50 MPs but that does not mean they have the majority of Scottish support, if they did wed all be independent next year.
Proper PR would of course give us coalitions every time.
Only if none of the parties can drum up sufficient support to earn a majority of the seats. And if they can't, well that's a failing of the parties, not the system.
We are also not voting for them as a majority. Last time I saw a poll the SNP were under 50%. Of course becuase the way our system works they might get 50 MPs but that does not mean they have the majority of Scottish support, if they did wed all be independent next year.
Even under a PR system the SNP still won a majority in Hollyrood. Which was not supposed to be possible, or at least massively unlikely.
Because they are like real labour used to be, before they became tories in disguise. The snp would force labour to be more leftist and that's good for the English left.
Any political party that is a 'nationalist' party has danger written all over it IMHO.
Any political party that is a 'nationalist' party has danger written all over it IMHO.
The SNP should have thought about a name change a long time ago. I think its way past time they dropped the nationalist line for something more progressive and less aggressive.
Just as well that it is The Scottish National party then
Wikipedia states that:
"The Scottish National Party (SNP) (Scottish Gaelic: Pàrtaidh Nàiseanta na h-Alba, Scots: Scots Naitional Pairtie) is a Scottish nationalist[13][14] and social-democratic[15][16][17] political party in Scotland. "
I do not want nationalist parties to do well full stop.
I particularly do not support nationalist parties if by doing well they ensure the Tories stay the largest party in government.
Aren't the Tories and Labour British Nationalist parties? They've both supported British jobs for British workers and made noises about the role of the UK in the world, and o don't see them fielding candidates elsewhere as international political parties.
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All the SNP will be interested in is screwing as much for Scotland out of Numpty Miliband as they possibly can. They couldn't give two figs about the rest of the UK.
Everyone NOT on the dopey Left should hope the SNP aren't anywhere near the balance of power. Sadly it is looking very likely.
Is it? - when the Labour Party were left wing they didnt win elections.
It's called democracy - if you don't like it..........................move.
Oh no it's not. It's called FPTP.
If the SNP won the proportionate number of seats to votes, it would stand very little chance of holding the balance of power - even if it did fantastically well in vote share.
I have no problem with small parties having influence in coalition when they have the good of the entire country at heart. That does not apply to the SNP.
And FPTP is part of the democratic process as laid down by Parliament - therefore it's democracy.
Many times Scotland returned a majority of Labour MPs only to be stuck with a Tory Government thanks to English votes.
It was okay then - now all of a sudden it's a major problem?
This. The question is how big is the English left? It's no coincidence that Labour became a centre right party (and still is) to beat the Tories. And now the Tories and Labour are both trying to fight off the even further right UKIP. So Scotland might look like wanting a centre left government, but does England?
Ergo the SNP shouldn't be allowed to be part of the UK Parliament and should be outlawed from being allowed to field candidates in the UK GE. Seems reasonable....
Parliament does not decide what constitutes democracy. The dictionary does, and FPTP does not comply in any shape or form. Under no stretch of the imagination can democracy be described as "government by the will of a minority of the people".
If you're complaining that Scotland was governed by the Conservatives ruling by majority on a minority of votes, then fine. That goes for every government since the war other than the period of the Lib-Lab coalition and the one we have now.
They were, at least, national parties rather than the nasty, parochial bunch of Little Scotlanders.
Whether the SNP is left or right is just a quirk of timing, the Scots aren't voting for them because of their political leaning.
I see, its OK as long as its being imposed on us but when we have a sniff of imposing something similar then thats OK too.
I see it simply as a result of our electoral system being set up for two main parties. Proper PR would of course give us coalitions every time.
We are also not voting for them as a majority. Last time I saw a poll the SNP were under 50%. Of course becuase the way our system works they might get 50 MPs but that does not mean they have the majority of Scottish support, if they did wed all be independent next year.
Even under a PR system the SNP still won a majority in Hollyrood. Which was not supposed to be possible, or at least massively unlikely.
I do not want nationalist parties to do well full stop.
I particularly do not support nationalist parties if by doing well they ensure the Tories stay the largest party in government.
Any political party that is a 'nationalist' party has danger written all over it IMHO.
It is not about being the largest party. It is about being able to command a majority in the House of Commons
The SNP should have thought about a name change a long time ago. I think its way past time they dropped the nationalist line for something more progressive and less aggressive.
Just as well that it is The Scottish National party then
Wikipedia states that:
"The Scottish National Party (SNP) (Scottish Gaelic: Pàrtaidh Nàiseanta na h-Alba, Scots: Scots Naitional Pairtie) is a Scottish nationalist[13][14] and social-democratic[15][16][17] political party in Scotland. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_National_Party
and if the Tories exited Scotland and brought back the SUP, they would get just as many votes as the SNP.
The Scots just don't like voting for non-Scottish parties.
Neither did the SNP, hence why they haven't suggested increasing income tax again...
Now they just talk left wing and act authoritarian...
Aren't the Tories and Labour British Nationalist parties? They've both supported British jobs for British workers and made noises about the role of the UK in the world, and o don't see them fielding candidates elsewhere as international political parties.