I think they all share the blame. Janine was driving too fast. Archie's lying to Ronnie and Danielle, Ronnie for being so cold and for trusting Archie so quickly..and lastly Danielle herself. She should have told her months ago.
Everyone in part;
Janine - she drove the damn car!
Jack - for mainpulating Janine to get her in that mood
Pat and family - for rilling Janine up
Archie - overall he controlled the whole thing!
Ronnie - treating Danielle badly and not believing her for goodness sake Danielle knew wayyy to much in that convo and she dismissed her!
Roxy - for bringing Archie back in.
Everyone in part;
Janine - she drove the damn car!
Jack - for mainpulating Janine to get her in that mood
Pat and family - for rilling Janine up
Archie - overall he controlled the whole thing!
Ronnie - treating Danielle badly and not believing her for goodness sake Danielle knew wayyy to much in that convo and she dismissed her!
Roxy - for bringing Archie back in.
Everyone in part;
Janine - she drove the damn car!
Jack - for mainpulating Janine to get her in that mood
Pat and family - for rilling Janine up
Archie - overall he controlled the whole thing!
Ronnie - treating Danielle badly and not believing her for goodness sake Danielle knew wayyy to much in that convo and she dismissed her!
Roxy - for bringing Archie back in.
Anyone I forgot?
you forgot danielle for stupidly not moving and stading in the road like a fool when she could have moved.
Everyone in part;
Janine - she drove the damn car!
Jack - for mainpulating Janine to get her in that mood
Pat and family - for rilling Janine up
Archie - overall he controlled the whole thing!
Ronnie - treating Danielle badly and not believing her for goodness sake Danielle knew wayyy to much in that convo and she dismissed her!
Roxy - for bringing Archie back in.
If danielle had told Ronnie 7 months prior, the letter proclaiming Danielle's death would not have been delivered, maybe Ronnie would have been with Jack, so Janine couldnt have scammed the car lot of him, Ronnie's dad would never have got so close to Ronnie. There are many things that probably would have never happened if Danielle stopped giving us that gormless look and actually spoke to her mum, and told her the truth.
Oh well, no more gormless looks
edit: i forgot Sean would have probably have still been there too.....i miss him, and noone would have known the paternity of baby Amy
Janine obviously....another Butcher butcher! I do think they could have got the alleged speed across better by using a bit of slow mo or faster cuts...the way it was shown Danielle could have just gone...oh car...takes a step off the road.
If danielle had told Ronnie 7 months prior, the letter proclaiming Danielle's death would not have been delivered, maybe Ronnie would have been with Jack, so Janine couldnt have scammed the car lot of him, Ronnie's dad would never have got so close to Ronnie. There are many things that probably would have never happened if Danielle stopped giving us that gormless look and actually spoke to her mum, and told her the truth.
Oh well, no more gormless looks
well said
you could go down so may diffrent rountes of how it could have or not have been avoided.
I love the fact that there were all these different factors which led to her death... You could also include Ian, if he had got the food out on time, then Stacey wouldn't have left the pub and could have verified Danielle's story in front of everyone!
Jack for getting Janine pissed in the first place!
Stacey, drunken slag! She should've made Dan stay...but no...she had to throw up!
Archie the evil manipulating bastard, whom Ronnie should KILL!
And don't like saying it, but partially Ronnie too. She should've believed Dan, and if she didn't take so long going out to look for her, you don't know what could've happened.
But mainly the EE writers. Evil cold hearted bastards!
I love the fact that there were all these different factors which led to her death... You could also include Ian, if he had got the food out on time, then Stacey wouldn't have left the pub and could have verified Danielle's story in front of everyone!
Anyway, absolutely fantastic episode!
there is so many factors that killed her but its like real life we can choose to go down so may routes if you know what i mean like the movie sliding doors.
for example if roxy let jack put amy down she would have found the locket sooner.
He was the one that gave Danielle up for adoption by taking her away from ronnie
if he hadnt of lied in the first place maybe ronnie wuld have carried on looking for her daughter to be told she was on the square
if he had owned up to ronnie when he first new she wouldnt have been near the tube stations she would have been at the wedding with her family
in the Vic during the reception if he hadnt of lied danielle and ronnie would have probably been talking or arguing but they would have been upstairs in the vic or at the slaters
and finally if he hadnt have gone after ronnie when she went after danielle ronnie would have got to the slaters 5 mins earlier and seen danielle or at least caught up with her sooner
but judging by the look on his face when stacey said there had been an accident i think he even knew it was his fault
Peggy for not calling off the wedding and refusing to invite Janine to the reception at the Vic.
No wedding no reception no way for Danielle and Ronnie to meet upstairs, no big public scene leading to Danielle being chucked out, and finally Archie would have run after Ronnie rather than going back into the pub with Peggy if she hadn't gone outside during their argument.
And finally no Janine driving a car and running over Danielle(because she would be drunk from the free drinks at the reception).
Also Barry Evans. If he hadn't been selfish enough to die, he would still own the car lot and Janine wouldn't have thrown a tantrum and driven round the block for 3 hours in a rage.
there is so many factors that killed her but its like real life we can choose to go down so may routes if you know what i mean like the movie sliding doors.
for example if roxy let jack put amy down she would have found the locket sooner.
Yes - if only Danielle had caught that tube train.:D
He was the one that gave Danielle up for adoption by taking her away from ronnie
if he hadnt of lied in the first place maybe ronnie wuld have carried on looking for her daughter to be told she was on the square
if he had owned up to ronnie when he first new she wouldnt have been near the tube stations she would have been at the wedding with her family
in the Vic during the reception if he hadnt of lied danielle and ronnie would have probably been talking or arguing but they would have been upstairs in the vic or at the slaters
and finally if he hadnt have gone after ronnie when she went after danielle ronnie would have got to the slaters 5 mins earlier and seen danielle or at least caught up with her sooner
but judging by the look on his face when stacey said there had been an accident i think he even knew it was his fault
i could day ronnie having her at 14 killed her its all iffs and butts
Yes events led to her being in that car, but if she wasnt spiteful enough to take revenge on people by breaking a six? year old's heart then she wouldnt have been driving. Janine brought their revenge on herself and now she's to blame for Danielle's death. She's got to change after this.. I doubt she will
Then I blame that EVIL LYING MANIPULATIVE BASTARD BECAUSE ARCHIE'S LIE CAUSED OF THIS AND HE COULD OF TOLD VERONICA NO INSTEAD HE CHOSE TO KEEP HIS IMAGE TO THE REST OF THE MITCHELLS :mad:.
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Janine - she drove the damn car!
Jack - for mainpulating Janine to get her in that mood
Pat and family - for rilling Janine up
Archie - overall he controlled the whole thing!
Ronnie - treating Danielle badly and not believing her for goodness sake Danielle knew wayyy to much in that convo and she dismissed her!
Roxy - for bringing Archie back in.
Anyone I forgot?
Peggy for marrying the manipulative tosser.
you forgot danielle for stupidly not moving and stading in the road like a fool when she could have moved.
Darren for smashing the sign
Oh well, no more gormless looks
edit: i forgot Sean would have probably have still been there too.....i miss him, and noone would have known the paternity of baby Amy
well said
you could go down so may diffrent rountes of how it could have or not have been avoided.
Anyway, absolutely fantastic episode!
Stacey, drunken slag! She should've made Dan stay...but no...she had to throw up!
Archie the evil manipulating bastard, whom Ronnie should KILL!
And don't like saying it, but partially Ronnie too. She should've believed Dan, and if she didn't take so long going out to look for her, you don't know what could've happened.
But mainly the EE writers. Evil cold hearted bastards!
there is so many factors that killed her but its like real life we can choose to go down so may routes if you know what i mean like the movie sliding doors.
for example if roxy let jack put amy down she would have found the locket sooner.
He was the one that gave Danielle up for adoption by taking her away from ronnie
if he hadnt of lied in the first place maybe ronnie wuld have carried on looking for her daughter to be told she was on the square
if he had owned up to ronnie when he first new she wouldnt have been near the tube stations she would have been at the wedding with her family
in the Vic during the reception if he hadnt of lied danielle and ronnie would have probably been talking or arguing but they would have been upstairs in the vic or at the slaters
and finally if he hadnt have gone after ronnie when she went after danielle ronnie would have got to the slaters 5 mins earlier and seen danielle or at least caught up with her sooner
but judging by the look on his face when stacey said there had been an accident i think he even knew it was his fault
I blame Jack - he's the reason Janinie even got into that car in the first place
No wedding no reception no way for Danielle and Ronnie to meet upstairs, no big public scene leading to Danielle being chucked out, and finally Archie would have run after Ronnie rather than going back into the pub with Peggy if she hadn't gone outside during their argument.
And finally no Janine driving a car and running over Danielle(because she would be drunk from the free drinks at the reception).
Yes - 100% Peggy's fault!:D
Also Barry Evans. If he hadn't been selfish enough to die, he would still own the car lot and Janine wouldn't have thrown a tantrum and driven round the block for 3 hours in a rage.
Yes - if only Danielle had caught that tube train.:D
i could day ronnie having her at 14 killed her its all iffs and butts
Peggy you're right she brought him back to the Vic, I did think Darren too as him breaking the sign made Janine drive off.
or the credit crunch , anyone else think Lauren was axed due to budget costs ? im sure she was contracted for a year.
Yes events led to her being in that car, but if she wasnt spiteful enough to take revenge on people by breaking a six? year old's heart then she wouldnt have been driving. Janine brought their revenge on herself and now she's to blame for Danielle's death. She's got to change after this.. I doubt she will
Then I blame that EVIL LYING MANIPULATIVE BASTARD BECAUSE ARCHIE'S LIE CAUSED OF THIS AND HE COULD OF TOLD VERONICA NO INSTEAD HE CHOSE TO KEEP HIS IMAGE TO THE REST OF THE MITCHELLS :mad:.