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PS3s might dry up....buy quick

gillyallangillyallan Posts: 31,725
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/feb/28/playstation-3-lg-legal-dispute

European customs ordered to seize PlayStation shipments in legal dispute

Confiscations ordered after Asian electronics giant LG wins preliminary injunction against Sony in acrimonious patent battle

The ruling by the civil court of justice in the Hague means that all new PS3s have to be confiscated as they are imported into the UK and the rest of Europe for at least 10 days.
If the injunction was extended it could mean consoles disappearing from high street shelves. It is understood that Sony and computer games retailers typically have about two to three weeks' worth of PS3s in stock across the continent.
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LG argues that Sony PS3s infringe a number of its patents relating to playback of Blu-ray Discs. LG called for an investigation into the PS3's Blu-ray use in a filing with the US international trade commission earlier this month, and said it sought a "permanent exclusion order ... excluding entry into the United States" of the games console.

If Sony is found to have infringed LG patents, it could be forced to compensate the South Korean manufacturer for each PS3 it has sold around the world, which could cost hundreds of millions of pounds.
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    jjesso123jjesso123 Posts: 5,944
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    This terrible on side note if any one whats a ps3 bundle move and sub ten games hdmi cable pm ;)
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    SoundburstSoundburst Posts: 13,195
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    Oh dear . . .LG must be having some trouble sales wise and in desperate need of cash :D
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    gillyallangillyallan Posts: 31,725
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    jjesso123 wrote: »
    This terrible on side note if any one whats a ps3 bundle move and sub ten games hdmi cable pm ;)

    that one might be worth hanging no to to see if stocks do actually dry up. Could be worth a bob or too.

    Sound: I think Sony sued LG first over mobile phone tech, so this is really pay back from LG. http://www.talkandroid.com/24957-sony-sues-lg-over-patents/

    ...or maybe LG are pi$$ed that Sony removed linux from their PS3s too LOL
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    jjesso123jjesso123 Posts: 5,944
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    gillyallan wrote: »
    that one might be worth hanging no to to see if stocks do actually dry up. Could be worth a bob or too.

    lol I have 2 others ps3 slim 80gb thats for sale and the 60gb CFW one thats never really used cus people are to piracy driven these days.

    on topic what has sony infringed ?
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    mattyl149mattyl149 Posts: 2,110
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    Is it just a coincidence that the new version of the PS3 will be available soon? Perhaps it's not just the anti piracy part they have changed
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    jjesso123jjesso123 Posts: 5,944
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    mattyl149 wrote: »
    Is it just a coincidence that the new version of the PS3 will be available soon? Perhaps it's not just the anti piracy part they have changed

    There has been no confirmation of this. only speculation that began with tesco dropping ps3 price becuase 20% of games and consoles then to compete with that others did same thing. Sony have no reason to protect current console from Piracy as unless sony leak some keys 3.56 will stay unhacked.
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    zexstreamzexstream Posts: 6,279
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    Karma is a real Bitch! LOL

    Sony are pirates and like to copy other people`s work so it seems according to a judge!

    Grab yours quick before they dissapear forever!


    European customs ordered to seize PlayStation shipments in legal dispute!

    Confiscations ordered after LG wins preliminary injunction against Sony in acrimonious patent battle!


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    European customs officers have been ordered to seize shipments of Playstation 3s after LG won a preliminary injunction against Sony in an acrimonious patent battle between the two Asian electronics giants.

    The ruling by the civil court of justice in the Hague means that all new PS3s have to be confiscated as they are imported into the UK and the rest of Europe for at least 10 days.

    If the injunction was extended it could mean consoles disappearing from high street shelves. It is understood that Sony and computer games retailers typically have about two to three weeks' worth of PS3s in stock across the continent.

    Tens of thousands of PS3s were seized by customs officers last week in the Netherlands, the Guardian has learnt, in a dispute that centres on Sony's allegedly infringing use of Blu-ray technology belonging to LG.

    Sony, which imports around 100,000 of the consoles a week, is frantically trying to get the ban lifted. The Japanese company has the right to appeal to the European patents office.

    LG meanwhile, could apply to the same patents office to get the 10-day import ban extended. Alternatively, the Korean company could apply for a court order to get the consoles destroyed but it is highly unlikely the court would grant a request to eliminate the warehoused goods.

    LG argues that Sony PS3s infringe a number of its patents relating to playback of Blu-ray Discs. LG called for an investigation into the PS3's Blu-ray use in a filing with the US international trade commission earlier this month, and said it sought a "permanent exclusion order ... excluding entry into the United States" of the games console.

    If Sony is found to have infringed LG patents, it could be forced to compensate the South Korean manufacturer for each PS3 it has sold around the world, which could cost hundreds of millions of pounds.

    The two technology giants are involved in a complex web of seven separate patent disputes, with Sony also seeking to block shipments of LG smartphones to the US.

    Rotterdam and Schiphol are the main import points for PS3s for both the UK and continental Europe. The consoles are being stockpiled in Dutch warehouses until it becomes clear how the case will develop.

    A spokesman for Sony Playstation said: "We are currently looking into this matter, and cannot make any comments at this point in time." LG declined to comment, although sources close to the company confirmed the current legal position.

    Sony has sold more than 3m PS3s in the UK since its launch in March 2007. The Japanese manufacturer is understood to have a stockpile of around 6,500 PS3s in Germany and 10,000 in the UK.

    However, the majority of PS3 sales around Europe are pre-orders, meaning they are already sold before they gather dust at warehouses in the UK and elsewhere. Stockpiles could run out within two to three weeks if the ban is not lifted, the Guardian understands.

    I'm sure it's already been submitted, but LG won a temporary injuction against Sony, and as a result European customs have been ordered to confiscate all PS3 shipments for 10 days.


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/feb/28/playstation-3-lg-legal-dispute
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    mad_dudemad_dude Posts: 10,670
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    Christ sony aint karma a bitch..should learn not to pirate LG's patents then shouldn't they. I would personally laugh if it became illegal to sell the console.
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    Ash_735Ash_735 Posts: 8,493
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    It was only a matter of time the SCUM of the Internet called the PS3 Hacking Scene would declare this a victory for themselves, yeah guys, LG is doing this for you guys, FUX SONY LOL WHO PLAYS PLAYSTATION NYWAYZ???
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    mad_dudemad_dude Posts: 10,670
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    Ash_735 wrote: »
    It was only a matter of time the SCUM of the Internet called the PS3 Hacking Scene would declare this a victory for themselves, yeah guys, LG is doing this for you guys, FUX SONY LOL WHO PLAYS PLAYSTATION NYWAYZ???

    Funny, I would have thought you would approved this move considering it is stopping patent piracy. Sony should have made sure they hadn't ripped anything off. It is pretty hippocritical to launch a campaign against "Piracy" while pirating yourself. That is why I cannot stand your moral diatribes.
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    Ash_735Ash_735 Posts: 8,493
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    mad_dude wrote: »
    Funny, I would have thought you would approved this move considering it is stopping patent piracy. Sony should have made sure they hadn't ripped anything off.

    Arn't we both hypocrites here? Suddenly you approve this stuff when it's against Sony, your scene (ok not YOUR Scene, but the PS3 Hacking) is declaring this a Win for them.

    And yet again, it's us legitimate gamers who are losing out!

    Overall it's a stupid thing, but LG were quicker then Sony, they both stole off each other, so it's only a matter of time before Sony pull a move to block LG phones, ...shame no one will care about that device being blocked though. ;)
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    mad_dudemad_dude Posts: 10,670
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    Ash_735 wrote: »
    Arn't we both hypocrites here? Suddenly you approve this stuff when it's against Sony, your scene (ok not YOUR Scene, but the PS3 Hacking) is declaring this a Win for them.

    And yet again, it's us legitimate gamers who are losing out!

    Overall it's a stupid thing, but LG were quicker then Sony, they both stole off each other, so it's only a matter of time before Sony pull a move to block LG phones, ...shame no one will care about that device being blocked though. ;)

    I don't approve of piracy. That is why I am against Sony ripping of IP developed by LG.
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    Ash_735Ash_735 Posts: 8,493
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    mad_dude wrote: »
    I don't approve of piracy. That is why I am against Sony ripping of IP developed by LG.

    But you were in favour of Custom Firmwares being released for the PS3, which use Sony's Firmware code, altered, hench, Pirated their own OS.
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    mad_dudemad_dude Posts: 10,670
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    Ash_735 wrote: »
    But you were in favour of Custom Firmwares being released for the PS3, which use Sony's Firmware code, altered, hench, Pirated their own OS.

    Not really, since the custom firmware patched Sony's own firmware. I didn't download a pre patched CFW.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,574
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    LOL at the people here. LG suing sony over blu ray patents is hilarious considering LG never ever was a part of designing the tech in the first place.

    Blu ray was made by three companies. Sony, phillips and Panasonic. All japanese companies. These koreans wished they had the piece of the pie long ago

    The truth is that the patent system is ****ed. LG is just acting dirty because sony sued them first for mobile tech patent infringement. Now a decent company would fight back and defend itself from these allegations.


    But no LG decides to play dirty and sue over alleged blu ray patents. This is just a delaying tactic bu LG in the hopes that sony sits down and discuss their suit against them over mobile tech.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,574
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    mad_dude wrote: »
    Not really, since the custom firmware patched Sony's own firmware. I didn't download a pre patched CFW.

    custom firmware is sony firmeware. It has been modified illegally. Stop playing semantics here.

    Crackers cannot design their own software from the ground up. they are just viruses using the hard work and resources of other legit developers to do break security measures and run their own software.

    In other words, what you guys are doing is taking sony designed software built on sony designed hardware, modifying it and breaking the security system on the software.


    And you guys have the audacity to say it's your software. :rolleyes:
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    mad_dudemad_dude Posts: 10,670
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    Elan Morin wrote: »
    LOL at the people here. LG suing sony over blu ray patents is hilarious considering LG never ever was a part of designing the tech in the first place.

    Blu ray was made by three companies. Sony, phillips and Panasonic. All japanese companies. These koreans wished they had the piece of the pie long ago

    The truth is that the patent system is ****ed. LG is just acting dirty because sony sued them first for mobile tech patent infringement. Now a decent company would fight back and defend itself from these allegations.


    But no LG decides to play dirty and sue over alleged blu ray patents. This is just a delaying tactic bu LG in the hopes that sony sits down and discuss their suit against them over mobile tech.


    I actually agree, the problem is that people can now patent abstract concepts, like 'multiple camera angles' during the playback of movies. It is one of the many things wrong with copyright/patent law.

    but equally another thing that is wrong with copyright law is that it is used to reinforce the nature of closed systems like the iphone. There are exceptions to the rule but the fact that it is so easy to sue someone who actually hasn't pirated content copyright law shouldn't be used to reinforce an anti-competitive market or the idea of system lock down.
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    mad_dudemad_dude Posts: 10,670
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    Elan Morin wrote: »
    custom firmware is sony firmeware. It has been modified illegally. Stop playing semantics here.

    Crackers cannot design their own software from the ground up. they are just viruses using the hard work and resources of other legit developers to do break security measures and run their own software.

    In other words, what you guys are doing is taking sony designed software built on sony designed hardware, modifying it and breaking the security system on the software.


    And you guys have the audacity to say it's your software. :rolleyes:


    If you have used a patch. You haven't downloaded sony code. you have patched it. Reverse engineering for interopability reasons is perfectly legal. and we have paid for it we own it. We just don't own the intellectual property behind that software. If I was redistributing patched CFW you would have a point but I am not.
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    PinSarlaPinSarla Posts: 4,072
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    Elan Morin wrote: »
    LOL at the people here. LG suing sony over blu ray patents is hilarious considering LG never ever was a part of designing the tech in the first place.

    Blu ray was made by three companies. Sony, phillips and Panasonic. All japanese companies. These koreans wished they had the piece of the pie long ago

    The truth is that the patent system is ****ed. LG is just acting dirty because sony sued them first for mobile tech patent infringement. Now a decent company would fight back and defend itself from these allegations.


    But no LG decides to play dirty and sue over alleged blu ray patents. This is just a delaying tactic bu LG in the hopes that sony sits down and discuss their suit against them over mobile tech.

    I agree with this ^^^

    However Philips are a Dutch company ;) Not that I'm trying to be pedantic or anything, just saying :o:D
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    2dshmuplover2dshmuplover Posts: 8,271
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    Elan Morin wrote: »
    Blu ray was made by three companies. Sony, phillips and Panasonic. All japanese companies. These koreans wished they had the piece of the pie long ago

    lol Phillips is a Dutch company. Koreans have some massive corporations like Samsung. The way you talk is like they all live in mud huts or something.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 6,848
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    Here are the abuse numbers

    Call them to complain

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    jjesso123jjesso123 Posts: 5,944
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    Whats have they apparently infringed though ? It says ''patents relating to playback of Blu-ray Discs'' But is there any more specific information on what the patents are. Just what get idea on Sony chances are. This could financially kill them.
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    CallousCallous Posts: 11,957
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    Elan Morin wrote: »
    LOL at the people here. LG suing sony over blu ray patents is hilarious considering LG never ever was a part of designing the tech in the first place.

    Blu ray was made by three companies. Sony, phillips and Panasonic. All japanese companies. These koreans wished they had the piece of the pie long ago

    The truth is that the patent system is ****ed. LG is just acting dirty because sony sued them first for mobile tech patent infringement. Now a decent company would fight back and defend itself from these allegations.


    But no LG decides to play dirty and sue over alleged blu ray patents. This is just a delaying tactic bu LG in the hopes that sony sits down and discuss their suit against them over mobile tech.

    Whose to say that Sony's original suit is any more legitimate than LG's. It works both ways.

    I'd argue that Sony provoked the situation by suing LG in the first place.

    Many of these big companies could sue each other for multiple copyright/patent infringements....but tend not to as it's an unwritten rule that they let minor infringements slide as they know it could bite them in the ass otherwise.

    Sony threw the first punch...and LG dodged it...LG threw one back and it landed.

    You take on another heavyweight company...and they are going to fight back.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 201
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    What a load of twaddle. PS3 won't sell out nor will the consoles be destroyed.

    Good marketing move in a battle against 360.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,637
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    Everyones suing each other it's a non event
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