I feel deeply sorry for the Andre family at this time. An awful scenario that many of us have faced. R.I.P. Andrew.
Regarding the show. It is called "the next chapter" and this is what has happened in this chapter. Andrew was a part of it .It was never intended to be all fluffy-pink & hair & nails sprinkled with glitter like his ex wife's failed show. It is life. Their life. Lots of fun times,cheeky kids (gosh ! kids being cheeky !... well I never !) and bad things included. So while I fully expect a lot of the footage to be edited to allow that Andrew has died,I would think it ridiculous to exclude mention of him,reference to him,or inclusion of his wife at times. They lived in Peter's home,posted on twitter & were involved deeply & no-one forced them to do all that. Their choice as educated adults.
But as someone pointed out ever so accurately....whatever they do & however THEY (the family),choose to handle this dreadful occurence the sniping will continue unabated just for chuckles.
It is sad - but I cannot believe ITV2 and that management company of his didn't see this coming and plan for it. Everyone who has lost anyone to cancer know the illness is unpredictable and the end can come swiftly.
This is the first time the Andre family have had to deal with cancer, it is with hindsight we learn the terrible nature of the disease, until then we all have something called HOPE. They only talked of him beating the cancer, and with all their hearts believed he would because the alternative was just to painful to even consider.
so any fellow sufferers or their families that may be watching, are hardly going to be inspired.
I am amazed at posters arguing over someones death, it is beyond belief.
The right way could be for them to air a tribute programme to him and then carry on with the other things happening once a respectful time has passed.
BIB, But then you will get debate on this thread, or a similar one, over what constitutes "a respectful time" gillie.
If they try to 'get things back to normal' too fast (for some people) then they will get criticised & accused of not caring enough.
If they take too long 'getting back to normal' ,then they will be criticised & accused of wallowing in self-pity .
Just watch this space if you doubt that for a moment.
The fact is we all grieve in whatever way we choose at the time and what works for one won't work for others and this family will do what they need to do. God bless them.
BIB, But then you will get debate on this thread, or a similar one, over what constitutes "a respectful time" gillie.
If they try to 'get things back to normal' too fast (for some people) then they will get criticised & accused of not caring enough.
If they take too long 'getting back to normal' ,then they will be criticised & accused of wallowing in self-pity . Just watch this space if you doubt that for a moment.
The fact is we all grieve in whatever way we choose at the time and what works for one won't work for others and this family will do what they need to do. God bless them.
I don't doubt it for one minute. It's guaranteed to happen.
I wasn't going to join in but here goes .. This is my theory... Maybe just maybe .. Andrew appeared in peters show because Peter was paying for his medical care and he felt he owed it to him... As I've said earlier... If you want to watch a programme knowing a man is dying infront of you.. Then that says something about you.... Someone brought up Jade Goody... She did those programmes so her sons would be set up for life... And I for one don't blame her as she put her kids first.. Jeff rightly took them out of the media spotlight and they are leading normal lives and none of us know what they look like... I don't want to be proven right about Peter on this occassion ... I believe he will do a mag deal about his grief and already all the press is about how he was " very very very very close to his brother" I'd assume they all where... It's not just about him.. The statements should be from a family point of view not Peters
BIB...Betty, no-one watches the programme to watch Andrew dying, what a warped mind you have.:( The people who watch his shows, watched his shows before Andrew even became ill, so no-one is tuning in just to watch Andrew's illness.
You keep saying you don't watch his shows..well I think you should watch re-runs of the programmes since Andrew's illness was diagnosed, then you will see that all that has been shown is Andrew talking and other members of the family talking about his illness. There have been no scenes of him having treatment, no scenes of him lying in his bed suffering...and certainly no scenes of him dying in front of us.
BIB...Betty, no-one watches the programme to watch Andrew dying, what a warped mind you have.:( The people who watch his shows, watched his shows before Andrew even became ill, so no-one is tuning in just to watch Andrew's illness.
You keep saying you don't watch his shows..well I think you should watch re-runs of the programmes since Andrew's illness was diagnosed, then you will see that all that has been shown is Andrew talking and other members of the family talking about his illness. There have been no scenes of him having treatment, no scenes of him lying in his bed suffering...and certainly no scenes of him dying in front of us.
There is no way I want to watch Andre in a million yrs. where did I say people are just tuning in just to watch Andrew through his illness?
BIB...Betty, no-one watches the programme to watch Andrew dying, what a warped mind you have.:(
...and certainly no scenes of him dying in front of us.
Your response is a very strange and flawed one...
Here's what Betty said: If you want to watch a programme knowing a man is dying in front of you..
Above is factual - Andrew has died. So yes, it would be watching a programme knowing that the individual concerned has passed away. She didn't say that's why people tuned in, or what people wanted to see, you came to that conclusion all on your own.
The outcome is already known - that's what makes it more than a step too far to continue to broadcast this current series. Thankfully, good sense has prevailed and ITV2 and (I would assume) Andrew's family also realised this.
It feels a bit odd for me to come on and defend PA when I've spent so much time slagging him off,but I honestly think that as far as his tv series is concerned,he is in a no-win situation.
If they had continued to show the series,he would have been accused of peddling "grief porn" and wallowing in self-pity.
Now that the series has been postponed (whether temporarily or not) some people seem to be trying to accuse him of "airbrushing".
I think that for now it would be nice for people to bear in mind that a woman has lost her husband, a child has lost its father, parents have lost their son, and Andrew's siblings have lost their brother.
I don't think there is anything to be gained from sniping and point-scoring at the moment.
Let's just hope the whole Andre family can be allowed to grieve in peace.
I really don't believe that making any decisions about a relatively unimportant thing like a tv programme is going to be at the top of their agenda for a while.
It feels a bit odd for me to come on and defend PA when I've spent so much time slagging him off,but I honestly think that as far as his tv series is concerned,he is in a no-win situation.
If they had continued to show the series,he would have been accused of peddling "grief porn" and wallowing in self-pity.
Now that the series has been postponed (whether temporarily or not) some people seem to be trying to accuse him of "airbrushing".
I think that for now it would be nice for people to bear in mind that a woman has lost her husband, a child has lost its father, parents have lost their son, and Andrew's siblings have lost their brother.
I don't think there is anything to be gained from sniping and point-scoring at the moment.
Let's just hope the whole Andre family can be allowed to grieve in peace.
I really don't believe that making any decisions about a relatively unimportant thing like a tv programme is going to be at the top of their agenda for a while.
I agree with all that...however much some dislike him, the family will come to their own decision as to what is right for them and for Andrew. I don't for one minute think any decision will be based on rating figures.
It feels a bit odd for me to come on and defend PA when I've spent so much time slagging him off,but I honestly think that as far as his tv series is concerned,he is in a no-win situation.
If they had continued to show the series,he would have been accused of peddling "grief porn" and wallowing in self-pity. Now that the series has been postponed (whether temporarily or not) some people seem to be trying to accuse him of "airbrushing".
I think that for now it would be nice for people to bear in mind that a woman has lost her husband, a child has lost its father, parents have lost their son, and Andrew's siblings have lost their brother.
I don't think there is anything to be gained from sniping and point-scoring at the moment.
Let's just hope the whole Andre family can be allowed to grieve in peace.
I really don't believe that making any decisions about a relatively unimportant thing like a tv programme is going to be at the top of their agenda for a while.
Agree, particularly the last sentence.
BIB - I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would think that? Airbrushing what exactly? I can understand that maybe fans might be disappointed that a series they've been following has been shelved but only someone who really had it in for PA could possibly find something to criticise here? Surely? Surely??
For what it's worth... I actually respect the decision to cancel the show.. As it is showing respect for Andrew and his family at this terrible time...
Oh dear.
THIS MAY WELL BE INCORRECT-but according to my PA-mad work colleague,the postponed episode will be on Thursday 27th,and the rest of the series will carry on from there.
Oh dear.
THIS MAY WELL BE INCORRECT-but according to my PA-mad work colleague,the postponed episode will be on Thursday 27th,and the rest of the series will carry on from there.
Radio Times says you're correct - episode 4 to be shown at 9pm. Confusingly, it says it's ep 4 of 5 but it also says it's the last in the series so I assume some editing down will have been done and the series cut to 4 eps.
BIB, But then you will get debate on this thread, or a similar one, over what constitutes "a respectful time" gillie.
If they try to 'get things back to normal' too fast (for some people) then they will get criticised & accused of not caring enough.
If they take too long 'getting back to normal' ,then they will be criticised & accused of wallowing in self-pity .
Just watch this space if you doubt that for a moment.
The fact is we all grieve in whatever way we choose at the time and what works for one won't work for others and this family will do what they need to do. God bless them.
What I meant was posters spatting with each other over perceived personal slights rather than the discussion on the thread.
I totallty understand about the grieving process after losing a family member at Christmas which makes it a bittersweet and poignant time for us, as it most probably will for the Andre family in the future years at Christmastime.
Hows about some Christmas good spirit towards the Andre family in their time of sorrow, I have noticed much on here from posters, lets forget squabbling as a mark of respect for Andrew.
Oh dear.
THIS MAY WELL BE INCORRECT-but according to my PA-mad work colleague,the postponed episode will be on Thursday 27th,and the rest of the series will carry on from there.
According to my tv day to day guide part 4 is next thursday (27th) and part 5 isthe following wed (2nd jan)
Gilliedew .. You have my deepest sympathy ... My dad died 27th dec a few yrs ago so Im the same as you..it's a happy/sad time ...
Thank you Betty, I lost my 27 year old daughter on Christmas Eve 11 years ago.
Time does heal but memories stay and it gets easier. However, the Andre family will be hurt, heartbroken for a long period of time. The programme will air when they feel it is right for them but my opinion of Peter is that he is a caring person about his fans and will do it earlier than later so as not to let them down,
However, after some of the comments on here, whatever he does, someone will see a reason to criticize him.
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Regarding the show. It is called "the next chapter" and this is what has happened in this chapter. Andrew was a part of it .It was never intended to be all fluffy-pink & hair & nails sprinkled with glitter like his ex wife's failed show. It is life. Their life. Lots of fun times,cheeky kids (gosh ! kids being cheeky !... well I never !) and bad things included. So while I fully expect a lot of the footage to be edited to allow that Andrew has died,I would think it ridiculous to exclude mention of him,reference to him,or inclusion of his wife at times. They lived in Peter's home,posted on twitter & were involved deeply & no-one forced them to do all that. Their choice as educated adults.
But as someone pointed out ever so accurately....whatever they do & however THEY (the family),choose to handle this dreadful occurence the sniping will continue unabated just for chuckles.
The right way could be for them to air a tribute programme to him and then carry on with the other things happening once a respectful time has passed.
BIB, But then you will get debate on this thread, or a similar one, over what constitutes "a respectful time" gillie.
If they try to 'get things back to normal' too fast (for some people) then they will get criticised & accused of not caring enough.
If they take too long 'getting back to normal' ,then they will be criticised & accused of wallowing in self-pity .
Just watch this space if you doubt that for a moment.
The fact is we all grieve in whatever way we choose at the time and what works for one won't work for others and this family will do what they need to do. God bless them.
I wouldn't call it arguing. :eek: Just an exchange of views.
I don't doubt it for one minute. It's guaranteed to happen.
BIB...Betty, no-one watches the programme to watch Andrew dying, what a warped mind you have.:( The people who watch his shows, watched his shows before Andrew even became ill, so no-one is tuning in just to watch Andrew's illness.
You keep saying you don't watch his shows..well I think you should watch re-runs of the programmes since Andrew's illness was diagnosed, then you will see that all that has been shown is Andrew talking and other members of the family talking about his illness. There have been no scenes of him having treatment, no scenes of him lying in his bed suffering...and certainly no scenes of him dying in front of us.
There is no way I want to watch Andre in a million yrs. where did I say people are just tuning in just to watch Andrew through his illness?
Your response is a very strange and flawed one...
Here's what Betty said:
If you want to watch a programme knowing a man is dying in front of you..
Above is factual - Andrew has died. So yes, it would be watching a programme knowing that the individual concerned has passed away. She didn't say that's why people tuned in, or what people wanted to see, you came to that conclusion all on your own.
The outcome is already known - that's what makes it more than a step too far to continue to broadcast this current series. Thankfully, good sense has prevailed and ITV2 and (I would assume) Andrew's family also realised this.
If they had continued to show the series,he would have been accused of peddling "grief porn" and wallowing in self-pity.
Now that the series has been postponed (whether temporarily or not) some people seem to be trying to accuse him of "airbrushing".
I think that for now it would be nice for people to bear in mind that a woman has lost her husband, a child has lost its father, parents have lost their son, and Andrew's siblings have lost their brother.
I don't think there is anything to be gained from sniping and point-scoring at the moment.
Let's just hope the whole Andre family can be allowed to grieve in peace.
I really don't believe that making any decisions about a relatively unimportant thing like a tv programme is going to be at the top of their agenda for a while.
I agree with all that...however much some dislike him, the family will come to their own decision as to what is right for them and for Andrew. I don't for one minute think any decision will be based on rating figures.
Agree, particularly the last sentence.
BIB - I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would think that? Airbrushing what exactly? I can understand that maybe fans might be disappointed that a series they've been following has been shelved but only someone who really had it in for PA could possibly find something to criticise here? Surely? Surely??
FWIW, as far as I can see.... you didn't.
THIS MAY WELL BE INCORRECT-but according to my PA-mad work colleague,the postponed episode will be on Thursday 27th,and the rest of the series will carry on from there.
Radio Times says you're correct - episode 4 to be shown at 9pm. Confusingly, it says it's ep 4 of 5 but it also says it's the last in the series so I assume some editing down will have been done and the series cut to 4 eps.
What I meant was posters spatting with each other over perceived personal slights rather than the discussion on the thread.
I totallty understand about the grieving process after losing a family member at Christmas which makes it a bittersweet and poignant time for us, as it most probably will for the Andre family in the future years at Christmastime.
Hows about some Christmas good spirit towards the Andre family in their time of sorrow, I have noticed much on here from posters, lets forget squabbling as a mark of respect for Andrew.
According to my tv day to day guide part 4 is next thursday (27th) and part 5 isthe following wed (2nd jan)
My dad died on that date too. What a coincidence
If that is correct, it looks like part 3 (last Wednesday's show) has been dropped.
Thank you Betty, I lost my 27 year old daughter on Christmas Eve 11 years ago.
Time does heal but memories stay and it gets easier. However, the Andre family will be hurt, heartbroken for a long period of time. The programme will air when they feel it is right for them but my opinion of Peter is that he is a caring person about his fans and will do it earlier than later so as not to let them down,
However, after some of the comments on here, whatever he does, someone will see a reason to criticize him.
Mine too. Freaky.
I guess PA has taken a week or so bereavement leave hence the postponement of the show. All very sad for the family.
I suppose when you know your loved one is terribly ill you kind of partly prepare yourself for if the worse happens.