Local multiplex in London Ch.29.

leslie123leslie123 Posts: 2,478
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Can anyone confirm whether the local multiplex in London on Channel 29 is being transmitted from Crystal Palace along with the others or is it being transmitted from Croydon. I did read somewhere it was Croydon but I am not convinced.

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  • Tony RichardsTony Richards Posts: 5,742
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    It's transmitted from both Crystal Palace and Croydon on the same channel.
  • kasgkasg Posts: 4,719
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    And I think my reception improved when Croydon was switched on as I understand one transmitter effectively reinforces the other.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 435
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    kasg wrote: »
    And I think my reception improved when Croydon was switched on as I understand one transmitter effectively reinforces the other.

    It is usually called SFN ( single frequency network).

    It is one of the many wonders of the technology of COFDM digital TV modulation .
    Invented by the French (Thompson).
    As usual a much better TV broadcast system than the digital TV broadcast system across the pond, (they always get it wrong) , NTSC (pooh) , VHS ,compared to Betamax (yuk)
  • Mark CMark C Posts: 20,893
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    Winston_1 wrote: »
    Why, considering they are so close to each other?

    Croydon only sends a beam to the South, it's just a hole filler I think for the local area, CP looks after the main signal for most of the service area
  • kevkev Posts: 21,075
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    Winston_1 wrote: »
    Why, considering they are so close to each other?

    It's to minimise overspill to the south - IIRC Crystal Palace is pretty much limited to North, East, and West - it also operates at 20kW.

    Croydon on the other hand is 4kW from a lower aerial (219m vs 237m) so can put more of it's signal to the south without excessive overspill.

    As a comparison - COM 7 from Crystal Palace is 324m @ 43.1kW and the average 1-6 is 319m at 200kW.

    (All heights are Site Height + Antenna above AGL)
  • kasgkasg Posts: 4,719
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    kev wrote: »
    It's to minimise overspill to the south - IIRC Crystal Palace is pretty much limited to North, East, and West - it also operates at 20kW.
    Pretty incredible that I got anything at all before Croydon came on-stream, but I did, quite usable on some sets.
  • technologisttechnologist Posts: 13,370
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    If you look at mb21 you will see that the local antenna is hanging off the North side of the CP mast.... http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=1&pageid=1719
    So there is a null to the south ...
    Whilst Croydon has stacked shrouded yagis to fill in the gap... http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=1259&pageid=2118
  • technologisttechnologist Posts: 13,370
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    If you look at mb21 you will see that the local antenna is hanging off the North side of the CP mast.... http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=1&pageid=1719
    So there is a null to the south ... As the mast is in the way
    Whilst Croydon has stacked shrouded yagis to fill in the gap... http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=1259&pageid=2118
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 435
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    If you look at mb21 you will see that the local antenna is hanging off the North side of the CP mast.... http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=1&pageid=1719
    So there is a null to the south ... As the mast is in the way
    Whilst Croydon has stacked shrouded yagis to fill in the gap... http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=1259&pageid=2118

    The real cause of the problem is the girth of the tower at the height the antennas are mounted .
    To provide coverage at 360 deg coverage ,it needs a cluster of panels all around the large girth of the tower .
    This then will cost a very large amount as to achieve the correct antenna gain needs a enormous amount of panels .
    However our monopoly supplier should supply what is required to provide the correct coverage.

    What should have been done is configuring the main broadcast antenna to accommodate the input of a local TV multiplex.
    With the correct design ,beam tilt and diffrent power levels over 360 deg ,it could ensure full compliance with the antenna radiation mask and provide better coverage .
    I am afraid in my opinion a bit of bad engineering yet again is what we have here.
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