It's depends on whether you think being covered up is required by the religion or not. I've heard many Muslim women say it's just a tribal tradition from some parts of the Muslim world. All the religious requirement says is to dress 'modestly'.
As the rules the judge quoted from were not from the State she is a judge in then I think the question's moot tbh.
However Islam has a lot of interpretations so I think it would be hard to argue that hers is 'wrong'... it is worn, as far as she is concerned, as an expression of her faith and millions of other Muslim women do the same... so had the case been in Ontario and not Quebec I think it would have been hard to argue the religious exemption didn't apply..
When I first saw your post and link I was like yes that's way too far. You can't ban that. Her face is wholly uncovered.
But having the courage of your convictions is probably needed and I applaud the judge for asking her to remove it because the courtroom is a secular building. Removing all overt religious dress or symbols is a reasonable position to take.
But then the judge went and ruined it a bit by saying hats and sunglasses weren't allowed so why should scarves? Which is also a valid argument but not the same one.
When I first saw your post and link I was like yes that's way too far. You can't ban that. Her face is wholly uncovered.
But having the courage of your convictions is probably needed and I applaud the judge for asking her to remove it because the courtroom is a secular building. Removing all overt religious dress or symbols is a reasonable position to take.
But then the judge went and ruined it a bit by saying hats and sunglasses weren't allowed so why should scarves? Which is also a valid argument but not the same one.
I've never heard of an Amish or Mennonite being asked to remove her cap, nor a Jewish person the yarmulke, so I suspect again that it has something to do with our accepting some cultural or religious symbols while finding others distasteful.
Have to agree that it's a different argument from sunglasses.
I think all headgear , crash helmets, caps, scarves, Burkas, etc, should be removed when entering public buildings, shopping centres, Banks, etc, so that CCTV can get a good look at you .
Anyone know of any links to videos of life in Syria? I know nothing of what it is like and I would like to see.
There are tons of videos on YouTube. If you search for "raqqa" (the capital of the Islamic State) then a bunch of stuff will pop up. The jihadists also frequently release propaganda videos, many far too gruesome to be found on YouTube, although I am baffled how witnessing homosexuals thrown from high buildings, people being burned alive, beheadings, hands being chopped off and other Sharia related activities is meant to be promotional, however the flow of foreign recruits continues to grow..
There are tons of videos on YouTube. If you search for "raqqa" (the capital of the Islamic State) then a bunch of stuff will pop up. The jihadists also frequently release propaganda videos, many far too gruesome to be found on YouTube, although I am baffled how witnessing homosexuals thrown from high buildings, people being burned alive, beheadings, hands being chopped off and other Sharia related activities is meant to be promotional, however the flow of foreign recruits continues to grow..
I don't want to watch any that torture stuff.
I was thinking more day to day life.
What will it be like for these 3 girls, I take it the IS group live in mountains or desert camps?
None of the brutal stuff is on YouTube as they remove it, but there are clips taken with hidden cameras etc of daily life in Raqqa within the first page of search results.
I'm sick of these girls being described as "missing"
They aren't.
They decided, of their own accord, to go and become terrorist brides.
Personally I hope the reality of their situation is just as horrific as they want it to be.
They've been gone a week now, some cctv of them catching a bus in Istanbul. I wonder if they are sick of wearing Burkas not being allowed out etc , being married off to some murdering freak, and want to come home. Too bad let them rot there.
Now these girls are in Syria so they will be probably roped into as kitchen skivvies by the ISIS organisation as there's loads for them to be done. Like making cups of tea & sarnies for these fightin' fellas & a HUGE pile of crockery to be washed & dried afterwards. And even more cooking...
I'm sure they won't moan & whine about doing things like above as they're proved to be quite tough i.e. spending over 18 hours waiting at a bus station in Turkey - that's a feat of endurance especially for an idiotic self-deluded teen girl like these 3 are...
Unbelievable report on BBC news now bemoaning that British agencies / police didn't do enough to trace the girls.
It's not our fault. It's theirs. They decided to follow a lunatic religion.
And they're not 'missing' anymore - they decided to go off and join a crazy sect where women are treated marginally better than a dog.
They will reap what they've sowed and there we are.
Now that they have crossed border there should be no more reporting of them.
They have made their choice so let them get on with it.
Yep, spilt milk and all that. We should focus now on stopping the next batch of naive starry-eyed schoolkids from being groomed exploited and radicalised - by telling the truth about Islamic terrorists and their methods in schools. All of them, every week starting in year 6 or even earlier.
Yep, spilt milk and all that. We should focus now on stopping the next batch of naive starry-eyed schoolkids from being groomed exploited and radicalised - by telling the truth about Islamic terrorists and their methods in schools. All of them, every week starting in year 6 or even earlier.
Fight fire with fire.
I agree we should stop reporting it now, we are fed up of hearing about it now, however instead of stopping them going, we should encourage them and give them free air tickets.
These three girls have forfeited all right to come back to this country now that they have crossed into syria as should all who have gone out to fight with IS. They have joined a terrorist group and they should be treated like terrorists. IMHO
I agree we should stop reporting it now, we are fed up of hearing about it now, however instead of stopping them going, we should encourage them and give them free air tickets.
Perhaps I have misunderstood you? Are you saying we should be encouraging young people to join terrorist groups?
Unbelievable report on BBC news now bemoaning that British agencies / police didn't do enough to trace the girls.
It's not our fault. It's theirs. They decided to follow a lunatic religion.
And they're not 'missing' anymore - they decided to go off and join a crazy sect where women are treated marginally better than a dog.
They will reap what they've sowed and there we are.
It's top story on BBC news!. They are really trying to get us to care aren't they?. I'm willing to bet most of us don't.
Neither I, nor anyone I have spoken to about these lunatics has any sympathy for them but the news are doing the usual thing they do here, flood our screens with it and make it look like we all care. No one does. They freely and willingly left their comfortable suburban homes to run off to a warzone and join a group which is recognised as a mass murdering terrorist organisation. Not one of them was forced to do this, they clearly haven't met anyone in Turkey who was encouraging them either. Just what will they get out of it?
They will be forced to serve these ISIS nutters 24/7, almost certainly be gang raped and forced to bear children with no regard for their own wellbeing, and those children, when born will most certainly be stolen from them too. They will have no way of contacting home at all and if they disobey or resist they will be killed instantly. Even if they have a change of heart and decide to escape they will quickly find themselves in the middle of hell with nowhere to run to. Their passports will have been stolen and probably destroyed by now anyway, as well as any money they had or any communication devices. They have literally walked into their own deaths...willingly and we are supposed to feel sorry for them?
All the evidence is out there about what they were walking in to and they still went and left their loving families behind. They deserve all the get for freely running off to this group. Do they think it's like a gap year or something? They must have realised they had one way tickets?
Presumably they have been on Turkish news too and wherever they have been staying they would have been able to see at least one newspaper (English language papers are widely available in Turkey) or news report featuring them. They know full well what their actions are doing to their families. They have spent several days in Istanbul as well, so a phone call, text, email, tweet or whatever to home would have been entirely possible. To not even call home at this point just shows they are totally warped and disgusting creatures. In what way is this anyones fault but their own?
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As the rules the judge quoted from were not from the State she is a judge in then I think the question's moot tbh.
However Islam has a lot of interpretations so I think it would be hard to argue that hers is 'wrong'... it is worn, as far as she is concerned, as an expression of her faith and millions of other Muslim women do the same... so had the case been in Ontario and not Quebec I think it would have been hard to argue the religious exemption didn't apply..
This means that you must obey Allah's command to cover everything apart from your face and hands (on which opinion is divided).
Allah made the the laws but they can;t decide on what is to be covered
Totally agree .Religious freedom yes but special religious priviledge-no.
That's an interesting one.
When I first saw your post and link I was like yes that's way too far. You can't ban that. Her face is wholly uncovered.
But having the courage of your convictions is probably needed and I applaud the judge for asking her to remove it because the courtroom is a secular building. Removing all overt religious dress or symbols is a reasonable position to take.
But then the judge went and ruined it a bit by saying hats and sunglasses weren't allowed so why should scarves? Which is also a valid argument but not the same one.
I've never heard of an Amish or Mennonite being asked to remove her cap, nor a Jewish person the yarmulke, so I suspect again that it has something to do with our accepting some cultural or religious symbols while finding others distasteful.
Have to agree that it's a different argument from sunglasses.
There must be a fixer who arranged this, probably more 'brides' on the way then?
Anyone know of any links to videos of life in Syria? I know nothing of what it is like and I would like to see.
There are tons of videos on YouTube. If you search for "raqqa" (the capital of the Islamic State) then a bunch of stuff will pop up. The jihadists also frequently release propaganda videos, many far too gruesome to be found on YouTube, although I am baffled how witnessing homosexuals thrown from high buildings, people being burned alive, beheadings, hands being chopped off and other Sharia related activities is meant to be promotional, however the flow of foreign recruits continues to grow..
They aren't.
They decided, of their own accord, to go and become terrorist brides.
Personally I hope the reality of their situation is just as horrific as they want it to be.
I was thinking more day to day life.
What will it be like for these 3 girls, I take it the IS group live in mountains or desert camps?
None of the brutal stuff is on YouTube as they remove it, but there are clips taken with hidden cameras etc of daily life in Raqqa within the first page of search results.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/27/isis-mohammed-emwazi-islamic-state-binary-view-good-evil?CMP=fb_gu
They've been gone a week now, some cctv of them catching a bus in Istanbul. I wonder if they are sick of wearing Burkas not being allowed out etc , being married off to some murdering freak, and want to come home. Too bad let them rot there.
I'm sure they won't moan & whine about doing things like above as they're proved to be quite tough i.e. spending over 18 hours waiting at a bus station in Turkey - that's a feat of endurance especially for an idiotic self-deluded teen girl like these 3 are...
It's not our fault. It's theirs. They decided to follow a lunatic religion.
And they're not 'missing' anymore - they decided to go off and join a crazy sect where women are treated marginally better than a dog.
They will reap what they've sowed and there we are.
They have made their choice so let them get on with it.
Yep, spilt milk and all that. We should focus now on stopping the next batch of naive starry-eyed schoolkids from being groomed exploited and radicalised - by telling the truth about Islamic terrorists and their methods in schools. All of them, every week starting in year 6 or even earlier.
Fight fire with fire.
I agree we should stop reporting it now, we are fed up of hearing about it now, however instead of stopping them going, we should encourage them and give them free air tickets.
Perhaps I have misunderstood you? Are you saying we should be encouraging young people to join terrorist groups?
It's top story on BBC news!. They are really trying to get us to care aren't they?. I'm willing to bet most of us don't.
why would anyone care about this disgusting vile sicking evil creature
If they want to go, why stop them? we are better off without them, good riddance, and hope they soon meet Allah.
They will be forced to serve these ISIS nutters 24/7, almost certainly be gang raped and forced to bear children with no regard for their own wellbeing, and those children, when born will most certainly be stolen from them too. They will have no way of contacting home at all and if they disobey or resist they will be killed instantly. Even if they have a change of heart and decide to escape they will quickly find themselves in the middle of hell with nowhere to run to. Their passports will have been stolen and probably destroyed by now anyway, as well as any money they had or any communication devices. They have literally walked into their own deaths...willingly and we are supposed to feel sorry for them?
All the evidence is out there about what they were walking in to and they still went and left their loving families behind. They deserve all the get for freely running off to this group. Do they think it's like a gap year or something? They must have realised they had one way tickets?
Presumably they have been on Turkish news too and wherever they have been staying they would have been able to see at least one newspaper (English language papers are widely available in Turkey) or news report featuring them. They know full well what their actions are doing to their families. They have spent several days in Istanbul as well, so a phone call, text, email, tweet or whatever to home would have been entirely possible. To not even call home at this point just shows they are totally warped and disgusting creatures. In what way is this anyones fault but their own?