If it works, why deprive people of it? And yes, there are people who it's worked for, if there weren't, they wouldn't sell as well as they do. It sounds like another bunch of freaks wanting their face in the paper and for it to look like they've got common sense.
It isn't working because it doesn't work. This has been demonstrated.
It isn't working because it doesn't work. This has been demonstrated.
Any effect is purely placebo.
Sugar pills. That's all they are.
But it has an effect. That's the whole point. Why does anyone care anyway? It's the individual's choice, if there is any harm that comes from them, it's themselves they're harming, no-one else.
It doesn't work- absolutely no evidence to support it.
The only time that it gives an appearance of working is when it dovetails with a coincidental event.
So thousands of people all over Britain have coincidental events? I thought the whole point of coincidences were that they don't often happen - otherwise they'd be called regular occurrences.
But it has an effect. That's the whole point. Why does anyone care anyway? It's the individual's choice, if there is any harm that comes from them, it's themselves they're harming, no-one else.
Mis-leading customers of the efficacy of these remedies that demonstrably do not work is more than enough to be concerned about.
What if it's not working and as a result the person does not get the treatment they need?
Isnt that the point at which they seek more help? Most people know if they arent getting better then they visit a doctor, whats the harm in trying other alternate methods first?
Mis-leading customers of the efficacy of these remedies that demonstrably do not work is more than enough to be concerned about.
But they're not misleading you because you obviously don't believe it, so why not just leave other people alone - if they want to do it, let them do it.
It doesn't work- absolutely no evidence to support it.
The only time that it gives an appearance of working is when it dovetails with a coincidental event.
Loads of conventional over the counter medicines don't "work", eg cough medicines. Also 90% of the cosmetics sold by Boots similarly don't live up the claims for them. Should they similarly be outlawed or banned from being sold by Boots?
The simple lack of proportion shown by these "professional skeptics" show they are basically nutjobs with a bee in their bonnet. At worst it's harmless, get over yourselves and devote your energies to protesting against things that are actually harmful.:)
So thousands of people all over Britain have coincidental events? I thought the whole point of coincidences were that they don't often happen - otherwise they'd be called regular occurrences.
Hello:)
A coincidental event could be a slight improvement in symptoms, irrespective of what the patient is imbibing.
And we can' take the point in extremis because neither of us have the evidence to back it up.
However, there is not one study that supports the efficacy of homoeopathic remedies, beyond the placebo effect.
But they're not misleading you because you obviously don't believe it, so why not just leave other people alone - if they want to do it, let them do it.
Less about my belief and more about the evidence (or lack of it, in this case).
Then they go to a doctor because it's obviously not working for them. Duh.
You have excluded the possibility that inaction will have a serious consequence. Which is why I posted this earlier: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6406213.ece
Not much consolation to go the Doctor once you already have malaria as a result of taking homeopathic remedies.
You have excluded the possibility that inaction will have a serious consequence. Which is why I posted this earlier: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6406213.ece
Not much consolation to go the Doctor once you already have malaria as a result of taking homeopathic remedies.
I thought homeopathic remedies were just sugar pills - how do they give you Malaria?
I don't really understand your analogy as the protesters aren't calling for homeopathic remedies to be made illegal.
They are asking for them not to be sold alongside mainstream medicines. In the same way that religion shouldn't be aligned with science and reason.
As I recall it all the homeopathic remedies in my branch are sold together, in a section labelled "Homeopathy" or similar. Either way, so your saying there's nothing wrong with Boots selling them, just so long as there is a clear distance between them and non-homeopathic medicines?
Apart from the fact that many mainstream medicines have never been scientifically validated. They just make people [think they] feel better.
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It isn't working because it doesn't work. This has been demonstrated.
Any effect is purely placebo.
Sugar pills. That's all they are.
Hello:)
It doesn't work- absolutely no evidence to support it.
The only time that it gives an appearance of working is when it dovetails with a coincidental event.
But it has an effect. That's the whole point. Why does anyone care anyway? It's the individual's choice, if there is any harm that comes from them, it's themselves they're harming, no-one else.
http://www.badscience.net/2009/11/all-bow-before-the-mighty-power-of-the-nocebo-effect/#more-1403
So thousands of people all over Britain have coincidental events? I thought the whole point of coincidences were that they don't often happen - otherwise they'd be called regular occurrences.
Mis-leading customers of the efficacy of these remedies that demonstrably do not work is more than enough to be concerned about.
Isnt that the point at which they seek more help? Most people know if they arent getting better then they visit a doctor, whats the harm in trying other alternate methods first?
Then they go to a doctor because it's obviously not working for them. Duh.
But they're not misleading you because you obviously don't believe it, so why not just leave other people alone - if they want to do it, let them do it.
Loads of conventional over the counter medicines don't "work", eg cough medicines. Also 90% of the cosmetics sold by Boots similarly don't live up the claims for them. Should they similarly be outlawed or banned from being sold by Boots?
The simple lack of proportion shown by these "professional skeptics" show they are basically nutjobs with a bee in their bonnet. At worst it's harmless, get over yourselves and devote your energies to protesting against things that are actually harmful.:)
See above links to badscience.net
Hello:)
A coincidental event could be a slight improvement in symptoms, irrespective of what the patient is imbibing.
And we can' take the point in extremis because neither of us have the evidence to back it up.
However, there is not one study that supports the efficacy of homoeopathic remedies, beyond the placebo effect.
marketing you mean?
Less about my belief and more about the evidence (or lack of it, in this case).
Hello:)
But even the placebo effect is disputed and considered quackery.
An improvement is more likely to be an unseen, molecular event.
That is coincidentally paired with a non-relevant placebo effect.
I don't really understand your analogy as the protesters aren't calling for homeopathic remedies to be made illegal.
They are asking for them not to be sold alongside mainstream medicines. In the same way that religion shouldn't be aligned with science and reason.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article6406213.ece
Not much consolation to go the Doctor once you already have malaria as a result of taking homeopathic remedies.
She died of an overdose.
I thought homeopathic remedies were just sugar pills - how do they give you Malaria?
As I recall it all the homeopathic remedies in my branch are sold together, in a section labelled "Homeopathy" or similar. Either way, so your saying there's nothing wrong with Boots selling them, just so long as there is a clear distance between them and non-homeopathic medicines?
Apart from the fact that many mainstream medicines have never been scientifically validated. They just make people [think they] feel better.