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Russell T Davies and Steven Moffat are extremely lazy.
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I must say that they are both fantastic writers but they are also very lazy.
Lets start with Davies.
Last of the Time Lords. Everyone chanting Doctor and then he turns back to normal, that was lazy.
Journeys end. The Daleks get blown up by the push of a button, that was lazy.
Planet of the dead. Davies was so lazy he needed help to write it.
The end of time. That whole plot was lazy.
Now for Moffat.
The Pandorica opens. Moffat was too lazy to show all The Doctors enemys.
The big bang. Amy remembers The Doctor back to life, that was lazy.
The impossible astronaut. The robot Doctor gets shot and yet it is still about to regenerate, very lazy indeed.
The wedding of River Song. Very lazy indeed Moffat write himself into a coner and used time to get himself out of it.
I love both their eras but when Davies was lazy he used something as simple as a button to solve things and when Moffat is lazy he uses time to solve things.
Lets start with Davies.
Last of the Time Lords. Everyone chanting Doctor and then he turns back to normal, that was lazy.
Journeys end. The Daleks get blown up by the push of a button, that was lazy.
Planet of the dead. Davies was so lazy he needed help to write it.
The end of time. That whole plot was lazy.
Now for Moffat.
The Pandorica opens. Moffat was too lazy to show all The Doctors enemys.
The big bang. Amy remembers The Doctor back to life, that was lazy.
The impossible astronaut. The robot Doctor gets shot and yet it is still about to regenerate, very lazy indeed.
The wedding of River Song. Very lazy indeed Moffat write himself into a coner and used time to get himself out of it.
I love both their eras but when Davies was lazy he used something as simple as a button to solve things and when Moffat is lazy he uses time to solve things.
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Actually I feel I shouldn't really answer, but how would you do better? Also, is lazy really the right word? They seem to be both working extremely hard, and if things don't work out the way the fans want, then maybe it's not really laziness on the writer's side, but wrong expectation on your side?
WHY WAS THE WDDING OF RIVER SONG LAZY?! IT WAS REALLY COOL, CLEVER AND IMAGINIATIVE and one of my favourite series 6 episodes
Sorry they are as lazy as each other, or not lazy at all! Just because a few Internet fans prefer one or the other doesn't make any difference. Just as well that both RTD and Moff can laugh about this kind of stuff (which IMO is a playground disagreement).
No offence but The Wedding of River Song was a mess and it really ruined the series 6 story arch in my opinion.
I have to disagree, I have found that both Moff and RTD are quite lazy, like the OP said Davies is lazy with endings and Moffat uses time when he is feeling lazy.
Infact every writer can be lazy because writing and thinking up storys is very hard.
Er... remind me why one cant be lazier than the other when their 2 different seperate individuals? I'm not dissing RTD, all my problems with him are very minor and I like his era (it's just the ending to series 4 I find lazy, nothing else), I'm just saying Moff is far better at linking his plot strands and giving explanations for (almost) everything. For example, while you may have hated the ending of series 5, most of what happens is backed up by the rest of the series while in Journeys End, Donna being part Human/Timelord means all she has to do is press a few buttons and throw a few switches to destroy all the Daleks and send all the planets back home. Form that one console in Davros's vault which you wouldnt think would be to important with Davros being the Daleks prisoner. I mean HOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad:
Can't say I care if they're "lazy" or not though.
I disagree that the sometimes intricate and complicated, sometimes action packed, nearly always witty plots which culminate in the button or the timey-wimey thing show evidence of laziness.
Of course, if you're using the word in the lackadaisical modern vernacular meaning that their storylines are hackneyed or lacking in imagination, well, that's just 'lazy'.
RTD and Steven Moffatt are two of the finest TV writers of their generation. They both have repeated, enormous success with separate ventures to prove it too.
Because you like Moff, you think RTD is lazy. Well other people like RTD so they think Moff is lazy:rolleyes:. It's boring for some of us who give them credit where credit is due. You get irate if someone criticises your lovely Moff, but you are happy to criticise RTD (vice versa for other people). It is actually boring!
Thank you, that's what I tried to say.
Haha no worries. Happy to be here to sum up your thoughts!
I fear this topic is just inevitably gonna devolve into the usual Moffat VS RTD war though....
As basically everyone else has said, neither show-writer is lazy in any sense of the word. They've both worked incredibly hard for Doctor Who, and people's subjective likes and dislikes of their individual kinds of storytelling has no bearing on that.
All in all, they have all had bad finales in terms of resolution although some did have good aspects which should be continued in all finales I think. Parting of the Ways had everything introduced before hand and was difficult for Rose to get too. A challenge. Doomsday had been explained in the episode as well and is sort of the one that works in just that situation. Bad Wolf, the Archangel network, hitting buttons, saving yourself, and remembering could all really be done on any story but the void stuff was just used in this episode and it fit. Last of the Timelords parts had all been introduced before as well. Journeys end did not go well. The Big Bang remembering had been integrated across the series but could not truly explain why it brought him back. Wedding of River Song worked and had been introduced before although it was a bit obvious!
I am not a troll! I didn't think I had to post again I already said what I had to say. :rolleyes:
I like Moffat and Davies but I just think that theyare sometimes lazy with the scripts.
In that case, I humbly apologize.
But surely you realized that just letting rip with a long post in which you basically make one-word criticisms ('lazy!') of a whole host of episodes was hardly going to incite intricate, reasonable discussion?
I agree why start a thread if you don't intend to post again
I mean lazy as in they decide to solve an ending easily instead of thinking of a more clever way. You could call it mentally lazy.
Thankfully the OP hasn't fallen into that trap, and I was perhaps a little hasty in presuming they wouldn't be back posting again.
Really? The above post suggests otherwise. Having already said what he wanted to say the OP assumed he didn't need to post anymore. However this is not a blog, but a forum.
To be truthful I very rarely post in a thread I make. Maybe I should in future.