Time for the 'other' Parties to get the act together?
Following UkIps win in Clacton and how close there where in Heywood & Middleton is time for the Other parties like the Green & Respect to get the Act together and try & do what UKIP have done by getting voters who are fed up with the 3 main Parties to switch to there party with Causes the voter what to hear
So why are the like of the Greens, Respect not picking up disaffected(sp) voters from other parites like UKIP are doing and what do they need to take on the three main parties and take votes off them
Does the Green Party need to move into the LIb Dems areas and pick up the Student vote & the anti War party like the Lib Dems did in 2003 to get more votes & and does the Respect Party need to move into the Labour area of picking uo working class Voters
So why are the like of the Greens, Respect not picking up disaffected(sp) voters from other parites like UKIP are doing and what do they need to take on the three main parties and take votes off them
Does the Green Party need to move into the LIb Dems areas and pick up the Student vote & the anti War party like the Lib Dems did in 2003 to get more votes & and does the Respect Party need to move into the Labour area of picking uo working class Voters
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impossible - The Green Party will never attract working class voters. It's just a vanity project for middle class hippies, dreamers and various unhinged DS posters
I mean what exactly does Ed mean about people being fed up with Westminster politics, that is just words, give some examples. What does he propose to do about it, why doesn't he say now?
The GP suffers from something of an 'image' problem. If more working class people truly understood what the party stands for I'm sure it would get a lot more support.
Having said that though, GP votes and members have been slowly, but steadily growing for years..
You also heard his mealy mouthed reaction today. Basically it was we need to pretend to listen to people's concerns get elected and then ignore them again.
To be honest Green Politics may be the only long term solution we have left.
It's extremely worrying the way that no other parties seem to have any real foresight or ability to plan sustainably.
What does the Labour Party stand for then?
Not the people any more, that's for sure!
Their leaders was talking to Sky News last night and went on about mass immigration being good and UKIP being nasty etc.
She does realise that people moving about the world is very bad for the environment, not just because of air travel, but because of the amount of resources they use up when they move to a developed country?
Mass immigration and green polices are sort of mutually exclusive.
I know it's hard to swallow but the working class are more concerned about putting bread on their table, not how many uneconomical and inefficient wind farms they've helped pay for in green stealth taxes.
I would say they are heading towards being a metropolitan party of the middle classes, which represents liberals and ethnic minorities. They are losing their roots for sure.
Mind you I wouldn't count on the ethnic minorities. Those that are spreading out seem to be changing their voting patterns and becoming more individual.
Not to worry, Labour will just import a whole load more migrants and give them citizenship and voting rights, even if it means the end of the welfare state.
Not at all.
There's only one world. It doesn't matter whether you're in The UK or Iran, we are still all working from the same pool of natural resources that are slowly dwindling.
Unless you're willing to stop having children, it's hypocritical to claim an anti-immigration position is somehow also a green/environmentalist viewpoint. It really isn't. Global overpopulation is the core issue.
The thing is though, this just highlights my point.
I'm sure you would think that if that's all you thought the GP was about, but it stands for social, economical and constitutional issues as well as environmental. The whole point is it's about creating a bit of a better world for everybody, in every way possible.
True, the Labour Party is now just chock full of career politicians, academics and their students off spring. All they need to do is keep the working class proles hooked on benefits and make the right noises occasionally.
It's true a lot of migrants are aspirational, and will tire of Labour.
But it's consumption as well as production.
I read some one in the developing world consumes one hectare of world resources, whereas for people in Britain it is five and America it's ten, or something like that.
So mass immigration to Britain from the developing world means people consume more resources and produce more pollution.
Most people agree we need to find answers to deal with the free movement of people when we haven't been building nearly enough social housing for years, but can ukip's divisive rhetoric ever really help with that? At least Labour are saying they will bring in a number of measures to prevent the exploitation of migrant workers. Ukip and Tories have nothing to say about it. http://press.labour.org.uk/post/82301767869/labour-will-tackle-the-exploitation-of-migrant-workers
The Green Party is growing all the time, but the best hope of defeating Tories and Ukip is with a Labour win, and praying that they stand strong against the crony influences. I would give up a lot to go down to Brighton and see that Caroline Lucas gets reelected though. Labour should be staying out of Brighton.
The main problem that the Greens have is that their policies will involve real change and effort on the part of the electorate, whereas most of the other parties try to pretend they can create real change without actually changing anything, which is simply not possible.
Yes but the point is they don't have to - that's just what we unsustainably do at the moment.
Green policies focus on sustainable living and fair wealth/resource distribution.
Global overpopulation is a separate issue which is solved by encouraging people not to have so many children.
Immigration is irrelevant to the bigger environmental picture, but I'll concede it can affect things at the very local level - this can be overcome with half decent planning though, something most local authorities severely lack.
The abolition of electricity; massive taxes on anything that earns anything; the entire country on benefits; and puppies & kittens for all.
It's an argument that would probably help win a few of the LD seats and as long as they've got no chance of getting any real power they may as well use it.
You write as though they were actually making such an argument. I'm not sure why you would do that.
I think it's more the volume of migrant workers that voters have a problem with more than the exploitation of them (wrong though it is). Labour just can't seem to grasp that immigration is in the top 3 concerns of voters and yet they don't have a solution to bringing it under control. Milliband conveniently forgot to even mention it in his speech the other week.
Given how much we pay in green taxes on our fuel bills I can't see the Greens gaining that much support to be honest.
So exactly like the Lib Dems before coalition government?
I suppose it depends on whether people moving to the developed world causes them to have fewer children due to the lower need to have relatives to look after you in old age?
GP would help themselves massively if they avoided touting their immigration policy and concentrated on their other policies instead.
LVT could be a winner if replacing council tax/business rates and was levied on the land owner (not the tenant) regardless of whether the land is being used or not. There are great swathes of the urban country which is being sat on by developers at little or no cost, these developers will sit on these assets until either a very profitable development prospect appears.
LVT could be used to make it costly to sit on brownfield sites, prompting developers to build more homes at prices that are affordable rather than sitting on the land until joe public can afford their prices again.
Maybe the Coalition should introduce an increase in general VAT or a charge on using the NHS and call the tax or NHS charge the UKIP tax.