Have a feeling The Fried Chicken Shop: Life In A Day will do very well for Channe; 4 tonight. Despite apparences its a brilliant, insightful programme and could easily clear 2 million in the overnights.
I did and I obviously didn't take it in or read it very well did I. I'm sorry for messing up yet again. Does it really matter? My point was still valid even if I totally got it wrong. I wasn't trying to as you put it "feed those who seem to enjoy having a victim complex about this thread" . not at all. I misunderstood the whole thing and I think I have been misunderstood as well.
I really am very sorry about it. I didn't know it could cause such problem.
Damian Kavanagh, Channel 4's Head of Features and Factual Formats for less than a year, is taking up the post of Controller of BBC Daytime (plus The One Show and BBC2 6-7pm). Given C4's reliance on that genre, it's quite a big job there.
Channel 4 is not replacing Kavanagh, with head of features Gill Wilson and head of formats Dominic Bird now reporting directly to chief creative officer Jay Hunt.
Lots of executive reshuffling going on in early 2013...
Peter Fincham is considering giving more power to Elaine Bedell as part of a commissioning restructure that follows the departure of Alison Sharman (Director of Daytime and Factual). Bedell could get daytime entertainment (like The Chase and Tipping Point) added to her portfolio as well as primetime entertainment and comedy. I guess things have picked up a bit for her in the past few months but still...
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Seriously Why? I doubt she would have even commissioned the Chase. Her new pilot panel shows aren't great either ( I was at 2 of them).
Was Ali Sharman really fired? Ridiculous if so, she had a far bigger hit rate than Elaine.
So even if the bbc were to broadcast from bbc news 24 the morning viewers turn to bbc one rather than daybreak. What will itv replace it with. I think that despite some major adjustments itv breakfast is just no longer connecting. The bbc seem to be able to broadcast just about anything and its the default channel.
Some of the pensioners fall asleep during the first Corrie;)
Which explains the fall off for the second Corrie
Do we know what BARBs official line is on sleeping viewers - surely ratings are essentially people sat in front of the TV, regardless of if they're watching or not.
Eastenders audience is down from that 8 million target again I wonder with focus now on kat and alfie again viewers are tuning out. This was one of the top christmas day programmes and now commands only 200k more than emmerdale again its audience stays around the 7 million mark now.
06:00-08:30
BBC One: 895k (24.8%)
ITV (exc +1): 881k (24.4%)
Very tight!
08:30-09:15
BBC One: 1.13m (18.6%)
ITV (exc +1): 1.34m (22.1%)
So Lorraine beat a repeat of Heir Hunters.
ITV News at 18:30 had 5.17m (25.3%), getting the better of a repeat of Fake Britain (4.08m/19.9%), and outscoring the BBC Six (4.935m/25.4%) for the first time in what must be a very long time. ITV's regional news had 4.24m/21.7%.
So even if the bbc were to broadcast from bbc news 24 the morning viewers turn to bbc one rather than daybreak. What will itv replace it with. I think that despite some major adjustments itv breakfast is just no longer connecting. The bbc seem to be able to broadcast just about anything and its the default channel.
They broadcast from News 24 every morning, that's what Breakfast is. And yesterday wasn't so bad, they had the news on the hour as they always do, and the back half hour was just some light factual which, I suspect, is not that different to then kind of light features you'd get on Breakfast at that time. Given most viewers only spend about ten or fifteen minutes with breakfast telly, for most people the only difference was that it was behind a desk with a presenter they didn't recognise.*
ITV are not going to replace Daybreak, though, because they can only replace it with something that's like it but slightly different. Going in a completely different direction clearly has the possibility of it completely collapsing. They've got to do X hours of news and Daybreak is just aimless chat and feature which costs next to nothing. News at Ten is being thrashed every night but that's not in danger.
* That said, I remember on Bank Holidays in the late eighties and early nineties, they used to do fifteen minute news bulletins at 7am and 8am with kids shows the rest of the time, and I have no idea who benefited from that as adults wouldn't watch 45 minutes of kids' shows waiting for the news and kids had to sit through fifteen minutes of news.
ITV News at 18:30 had 5.17m (25.3%), getting the better of a repeat of Fake Britain (4.08m/19.9%), and outscoring the BBC Six (4.935m/25.4%) for the first time in what must be a very long time.
Interesting. ITV might not have capitalised on the BBC strikes at breakfast, but they certainly did at teatime. Fair play. That's a great rating for the ITV Evening News.
Trisha USA seems to being doing just as good as the old C5 UK show. The show has been recommissioned in the US btw. It looks like it's doing better than the old Gabby Logan show iirc
So even if the bbc were to broadcast from bbc news 24 the morning viewers turn to bbc one rather than daybreak. What will itv replace it with. I think that despite some major adjustments itv breakfast is just no longer connecting. The bbc seem to be able to broadcast just about anything and its the default channel.
Bear in mind the strike was one day, by the time you'd noticed what was going on, you'd have been logged as a viewer, and then turned off and gone to work, just as the next lot of viewers tuned in.
If yesterday's schedule of very serious world news read by an unknown and repeats of Bargain Hunt were a regular feature, I'm sure viewers would start to drift off.
They broadcast from News 24 every morning, that's what Breakfast is.
Well technically they don't anymore, since Breakfast became a seperate operation from Salford. BBC News Channel do simulcast it, but it's the other way round.
That said, I remember on Bank Holidays in the late eighties and early nineties, they used to do fifteen minute news bulletins at 7am and 8am with kids shows the rest of the time, and I have no idea who benefited from that as adults wouldn't watch 45 minutes of kids' shows waiting for the news and kids had to sit through fifteen minutes of news.
Children's BBC holiday mornings used to continue the hourly updates in the 90s, which was always also odd.
More recently during the times of year when The Sunday Programme was off air (parlimentary recess etc), GMTV used to start Sundays with 10 mins of GMTV News, (which of course was just after 30 mins of the ITV Morning News) followed by 3h15m of kids shows.
Trisha USA seems to being doing just as good as the old C5 UK show. The show has been recommissioned in the US btw. It looks like it's doing better than the old Gabby Logan show iirc
Started slowly Jake but it had no promotion. Viewers seem to be finding Trisha USA now and it's climbing. 3.8% is a great share for them in that slot, well above how they've been doing there recently.
This is predominantly a ratings thread, with added partisanship. Having said that I think we all enjoy BBC/ITV having a varied output. First of all thanks to ITV we can have live free to air European football matches.
Exactly. Very thankful that ITV have CL rights. I might be the only one, but I prefer the Champions League over the Premier League. Much better quality and much more exciting than the PL.
Seriously Why? I doubt she would have even commissioned the Chase. Her new pilot panel shows aren't great either ( I was at 2 of them).
Was Ali Sharman really fired? Ridiculous if so, she had a far bigger hit rate than Elaine.
Seems like she was forced out in some way ("restructuring" apparently). I tend to agree - I think she had been doing pretty well lately. Ironically one of the last things she did was put together the super size order for The Chase.
Bedell is the only senior commissioner left at the channel now that Mackie/Haynes and Sharman have all left so it wouldn't be surprising if she did gain from it. Fincham obviously rates her as he brought her in from BBC1. If Broadcast are right then her remit will be so broad that she'll effectively be Deputy Director of Television for ITV.
06:00-08:30
BBC One: 895k (24.8%)
ITV (exc +1): 881k (24.4%)
Very tight!
08:30-09:15
BBC One: 1.13m (18.6%)
ITV (exc +1): 1.34m (22.1%)
So Lorraine beat a repeat of Heir Hunters.
ITV News at 18:30 had 5.17m (25.3%), getting the better of a repeat of Fake Britain (4.08m/19.9%), and outscoring the BBC Six (4.935m/25.4%) for the first time in what must be a very long time. ITV's regional news had 4.24m/21.7%.
Isn't Lorraine usually very close to BBC Breakfast anyway when head to head, with about 200k or so in it?
George's selective memory has struck again. he seems to have forgotten that the previous 'Spy in the' series concentrated on Lions, Elephants, wildebeest, zebras, antelopes and Bees. Such pretty animals :rolleyes:
He is probably too busy catching up with 'Cornwall with Caroline Quentin'.
It's good to see GeorgeS back on the "proper Ratings Thread" rather than the imposter one.
"Make more ugly animal documentaries instead of ratings chasing penguins". Love it.
Long range forecast is currently for a warm-to-hot spring with above average temperatures and a wet summer with temperatures near normal or slightly above.
Best dig out the BBQ then...
(had it not rusted away the last time the long range forecast said "BBQ summer on the way!"...)
On the last thread Robbie mentioned If You See God Tell Him which you may have noticed was also mentioned in The Guardian's editorial today. But it was a huge flop, and it's not a surprise because they showed the first episode on BBC4 a few years back, which was the first time I'd seen it (or anyone, it was never repeated before that) since its first showing in 1993, and it really was relentlessly bleak. You could pass it off as an episode of Black Mirror. In fact it's probably more unsettling than Black Mirror because it's got that nice Richard Briers in it. Episode one was bleak enough, having not seen it for twenty years I can't imagine what the final episode would come across like now.
Sadly Briers himself didn't like it, it wasn't his kind of humour, and I know Andrew Marshall and David Renwick didn't really think Briers was quite right for the role, but the Beeb demanded they used him as he was a big star. And it did flop massively, it was far too adult and challenging for primetime BBC1. Of course one episode was delayed a week because it was too similar to a news story, so the rest of the series was a week behind and the last one shoved out after ten o'clock as they ran out of space for it. Then they never repeated it or released it on video or anything. A hell of a show. I found it hard enough to stick with the first episode the other year, heaven knows how the fourteen-year-old me stuck with the whole thing.
Interesting perspective. I thought it was great at the time. I was 18 and a big One Foot fan, and it certainly got discussed at college. I very vaguely recall it starting with a positive 8m or so, dropping below 6m and goodness knows what the displaced one got. But was it that big a flop as you remember? I seem to think it got ok ish reviews at the time, and didn't stand out as getting stinker ratings considering what most post-9pm news output on BBC1 tended to get those days.
Started slowly Jake but it had no promotion. Viewers seem to be finding Trisha USA now and it's climbing. 3.8% is a great share for them in that slot, well above how they've been doing there recently.
One bright spot in the schedule certainly.
Definately they have to be happy with that given how Gabby etc did in the slot. The only daytime rating that has surprised me in a while.
Seems like she was forced out in some way ("restructuring" apparently). I tend to agree - I think she had been doing pretty well lately. Ironically one of the last things she did was put together the super size order for The Chase.
Bedell is the only senior commissioner left at the channel now that Mackie/Haynes and Sharman have all left so it wouldn't be surprising if she did gain from it. Fincham obviously rates her as he brought her in from BBC1. If Broadcast are right then her remit will be so broad that she'll effectively be Deputy Director of Television for ITV.
It is going to be interesting to see who fills all those positions but even after Splash i really don't rate Bedell. After 3 years at the Beeb , she only had 1 hit too ( Total Wipeout).
Alison Sharman's commissions are propping up ITV1 from 4-6pm.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/mediamonkeyblog/2013/feb/15/daytime-television-bosses-bbc-sky1
Seriously Why? I doubt she would have even commissioned the Chase. Her new pilot panel shows aren't great either ( I was at 2 of them).
Was Ali Sharman really fired? Ridiculous if so, she had a far bigger hit rate than Elaine.
Yeah they announced it on the day Damien Kavanagh left , so they must have known he was leaving.
I wonder who will get SKY 1
Channel 5 (exc +1)
05:00–09:15 – Milkshake!: 110k (3.2%)
* peak: 238k (4.6%) at 07:50 (Noddy in Toyland)
09:15 – The Wright Stuff: 314k (5.0%)
11:10 – Trisha: 225k (3.8%)
12:00 – Looney Tunes (r): 157k (2.3%)
12:10 – 5 News: 112k (1.8%)
12:15 – Being Liverpool (r): 116k (1.7%)
13:15 – Home and Away: 249k (3.2%)
13:45 – Neighbours: 725k (9.6%)
14:15 – NCIS (r): 280k (4.0%)
15:15 – Jane Doe: Now You See It, Now You Don't (r): 422k (4.5%)
17:00 – 5 News: 579k (4.3%)
17:30 – Neighbours (r): 929k (5.6%)
18:00 – Home and Away (r): 738k (3.8%)
18:30 – 5 News: 276k (1.3%)
19:00 – Rory and Will: Champions of the World: 388k (1.7%)
20:00 – Police Interceptors: 860k (3.5%)
21:00 – Extraordinary People: Shrinking My 17-Stone Legs: 742k (3.0%)
22:00 – Speidi: Scandal, Secrets and Surgery: 503k (2.9%)
23:00 – FILM: A Perfect Getaway (2009): 272k (4.0%)
That's all I I've got time for tonight. Will post some ITV Monday figures tomorrow.
Do we know what BARBs official line is on sleeping viewers - surely ratings are essentially people sat in front of the TV, regardless of if they're watching or not.
Just noticed they logged a well above average 1.3% yesterday. (beat ITV4, Film4, BBC3 and BBC4, tied More4)
06:00-08:30
BBC One: 895k (24.8%)
ITV (exc +1): 881k (24.4%)
Very tight!
08:30-09:15
BBC One: 1.13m (18.6%)
ITV (exc +1): 1.34m (22.1%)
So Lorraine beat a repeat of Heir Hunters.
ITV News at 18:30 had 5.17m (25.3%), getting the better of a repeat of Fake Britain (4.08m/19.9%), and outscoring the BBC Six (4.935m/25.4%) for the first time in what must be a very long time. ITV's regional news had 4.24m/21.7%.
They broadcast from News 24 every morning, that's what Breakfast is. And yesterday wasn't so bad, they had the news on the hour as they always do, and the back half hour was just some light factual which, I suspect, is not that different to then kind of light features you'd get on Breakfast at that time. Given most viewers only spend about ten or fifteen minutes with breakfast telly, for most people the only difference was that it was behind a desk with a presenter they didn't recognise.*
ITV are not going to replace Daybreak, though, because they can only replace it with something that's like it but slightly different. Going in a completely different direction clearly has the possibility of it completely collapsing. They've got to do X hours of news and Daybreak is just aimless chat and feature which costs next to nothing. News at Ten is being thrashed every night but that's not in danger.
* That said, I remember on Bank Holidays in the late eighties and early nineties, they used to do fifteen minute news bulletins at 7am and 8am with kids shows the rest of the time, and I have no idea who benefited from that as adults wouldn't watch 45 minutes of kids' shows waiting for the news and kids had to sit through fifteen minutes of news.
Now Dancc, you've had a whole day of Channel 5 to savour, don't be greedy! Only joking.
5USA (inc +1)
21:00 – NCIS: 470k (1.9%)
22:00 – CSI: 334k (1.4%)
22:55 – NCIS: 253k (2.7%)
23:55 – CSI: NY: 173.5k (3.6%)
24:50 – CSI: Miami: 125k (4.5%)
They do very nicely in late night, don't they? That's it, I've gotta go! More fun tomorrow...
Trisha USA seems to being doing just as good as the old C5 UK show. The show has been recommissioned in the US btw. It looks like it's doing better than the old Gabby Logan show iirc
Bear in mind the strike was one day, by the time you'd noticed what was going on, you'd have been logged as a viewer, and then turned off and gone to work, just as the next lot of viewers tuned in.
If yesterday's schedule of very serious world news read by an unknown and repeats of Bargain Hunt were a regular feature, I'm sure viewers would start to drift off.
Well technically they don't anymore, since Breakfast became a seperate operation from Salford. BBC News Channel do simulcast it, but it's the other way round.
Children's BBC holiday mornings used to continue the hourly updates in the 90s, which was always also odd.
More recently during the times of year when The Sunday Programme was off air (parlimentary recess etc), GMTV used to start Sundays with 10 mins of GMTV News, (which of course was just after 30 mins of the ITV Morning News) followed by 3h15m of kids shows.
Makes up somewhat for the poor main channel performance in primetime.
Started slowly Jake but it had no promotion. Viewers seem to be finding Trisha USA now and it's climbing. 3.8% is a great share for them in that slot, well above how they've been doing there recently.
One bright spot in the schedule certainly.
Exactly. Very thankful that ITV have CL rights. I might be the only one, but I prefer the Champions League over the Premier League. Much better quality and much more exciting than the PL.
I think he now has oversight of all Sky entertainment channels? The new Director of Sky1 will report to him.
Ah right, thanks.
Seems like she was forced out in some way ("restructuring" apparently). I tend to agree - I think she had been doing pretty well lately. Ironically one of the last things she did was put together the super size order for The Chase.
Bedell is the only senior commissioner left at the channel now that Mackie/Haynes and Sharman have all left so it wouldn't be surprising if she did gain from it. Fincham obviously rates her as he brought her in from BBC1. If Broadcast are right then her remit will be so broad that she'll effectively be Deputy Director of Television for ITV.
Isn't Lorraine usually very close to BBC Breakfast anyway when head to head, with about 200k or so in it?
It's good to see GeorgeS back on the "proper Ratings Thread" rather than the imposter one.
"Make more ugly animal documentaries instead of ratings chasing penguins". Love it.
He's not really joking either...
Best dig out the BBQ then...
(had it not rusted away the last time the long range forecast said "BBQ summer on the way!"...)
Interesting perspective. I thought it was great at the time. I was 18 and a big One Foot fan, and it certainly got discussed at college. I very vaguely recall it starting with a positive 8m or so, dropping below 6m and goodness knows what the displaced one got. But was it that big a flop as you remember? I seem to think it got ok ish reviews at the time, and didn't stand out as getting stinker ratings considering what most post-9pm news output on BBC1 tended to get those days.
Definately they have to be happy with that given how Gabby etc did in the slot. The only daytime rating that has surprised me in a while.
It is going to be interesting to see who fills all those positions but even after Splash i really don't rate Bedell. After 3 years at the Beeb , she only had 1 hit too ( Total Wipeout).
Alison Sharman's commissions are propping up ITV1 from 4-6pm.
Rumours are going around that Lord Hall will pounce on Fincham but I doubt he will go back given the past.
Btw the Queen has forgiven Peter Fincham it seems
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/itv-queen-elizabeth-ii-documentary-422281
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0094zrh/broadcasts