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Jean_DanielsJean_Daniels Posts: 5,031
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how do the migrants get to france in the first place?
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    CaxtonCaxton Posts: 28,881
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    how do the migrants get to france in the first place?

    Similar with an infestation of rats in your garden, they go to find food, don't feed them, no food they can get at so they move on to a neighbour to seek the food. Other countries do not want them or feed them, so they just move on to the next country, France, next stop the UK. I suppose we could provide them with a boat and send them across the Atlantic to America.
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    John_Smith86John_Smith86 Posts: 212
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    Caxton wrote: »
    Similar with an infestation of rats in your garden, they go to find food, don't feed them, no food they can get at so they move on to a neighbour to seek the food. Other countries do not want them or feed them, so they just move on to the next country, France, next stop the UK. I suppose we could provide them with a boat and send them across the Atlantic to America.

    Are you really comparing these humans to rats?

    If you were in their position would you do anything differently?
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    jacquelineannejacquelineanne Posts: 1,692
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    Caxton wrote: »
    Similar with an infestation of rats in your garden, they go to find food, don't feed them, no food they can get at so they move on to a neighbour to seek the food. Other countries do not want them or feed them, so they just move on to the next country, France, next stop the UK. I suppose we could provide them with a boat and send them across the Atlantic to America.

    Or better still sail them to the coast of Africa.
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    jacquelineannejacquelineanne Posts: 1,692
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    Are you really comparing these humans to rats?

    If you were in their position would you do anything differently?

    What is wrong with them staying in France?

    Economic migrants are the scourge of Europe. Not wanted or needed.
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    TardisSteveTardisSteve Posts: 8,077
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    Caxton wrote: »
    Similar with an infestation of rats in your garden, they go to find food, don't feed them, no food they can get at so they move on to a neighbour to seek the food. Other countries do not want them or feed them, so they just move on to the next country, France, next stop the UK. I suppose we could provide them with a boat and send them across the Atlantic to America.

    how an you compare them to rats >:(, they are desperate human beings :(
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    Madridista23Madridista23 Posts: 9,422
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    Are you really comparing these humans to rats?

    If you were in their position would you do anything differently?
    Yes - but i couldn't possibly say here....... :cool:
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    ennuiennui Posts: 1,334
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    Are you really comparing these humans to rats?

    If you were in their position would you do anything differently?
    Speak for yourself. I presume if our nation were to be under attack and in grave danger you are saying you would flee to the furthest available alien society that had a significant economy where you could live "free" in an economic as well as political sense of the word. For me, the choice is different. I, like generations of my Britannic forefathers would stand and fight and struggle to preserve and the rights and freedoms we have achieved and inherited in our Land.
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    ennui wrote: »
    For me, the choice is different. I, like generations of my Britannic forefathers would stand and fight and struggle to preserve and the rights and freedoms we have achieved and inherited in our Land.

    Yes who want's the sort of people who run away from their country when it is in trouble?

    And who wants the sort of people that are causing trouble in Calias, breaking the law and not caring about the economy of the UK?

    These people are doing nothing but damage to our country.
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    DianaFireDianaFire Posts: 12,711
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    ennui wrote: »
    Speak for yourself. I presume if our nation were to be under attack and in grave danger you are saying you would flee to the furthest available alien society that had a significant economy where you could live "free" in an economic as well as political sense of the word. For me, the choice is different. I, like generations of my Britannic forefathers would stand and fight and struggle to preserve and the rights and freedoms we have achieved and inherited in our Land.

    And you'd get tortured and killed, maybe your family first. Your choice, of course.
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    TardisSteveTardisSteve Posts: 8,077
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    Yes who want's the sort of people who run away from their country when it is in trouble?
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    if the choice was stay and be killed or flee and survive i would flee
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    DianaFire wrote: »
    And you'd get tortured and killed, maybe your family first. Your choice, of course.

    Or they'd win the war. Nice defeatist attitude there.
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    if the choice was stay and be killed or flee and survive i would flee

    And I'd stay and fight.

    I know who'd I'd like to keep in the country.

    Oh and while you are running away from your country of origin, leaving your country men to fight for their freedom, will you be respecting the country you go to, by paying terrorists and drug dealers to traffic you through the many countries where you could be free? And will you be respecting that country by applying legally for asylum rather than trying to break in via the Channel Tunnel?
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    Speak-SoftlySpeak-Softly Posts: 24,737
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    Are you really comparing these humans to rats?

    If you were in their position would you do anything differently?

    The analogy is correct. It's animals that don't react with any thought to circumstances and simply live their lives dictated by conditions.

    Humans on the other hand, change the conditions. If they didn't, we would all be still living in caves dependent on the vagaries of the weather/the seasons/the ability to scavenge.

    All of us were in their position at some point in history. That some people have taken the step forward, co operated, compromised and died to build some permanence for the good of all, should not be thrown away because some haven't and won't.
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    TardisSteveTardisSteve Posts: 8,077
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    Or they'd win the war. Nice defeatist attitude there.

    so you wouldn't get your family out of a war zone if you had the chance to protect them, interesting, would rather be defeatist and alive to be honest
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    DianaFireDianaFire Posts: 12,711
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    Or they'd win the war. Nice defeatist attitude there.

    They could carve "Not a defeatist" on your gravestone, I suppose. That must be a comfort.
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    so you wouldn't get your family out of a war zone if you had the chance to protect them, interesting, would rather be defeatist and alive to be honest
    I don't have a family, but if I did I'd want a family that fought against evil like ISIS rather than ran away.
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    bspacebspace Posts: 14,303
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    DianaFire wrote: »
    And you'd get tortured and killed, maybe your family first. Your choice, of course.

    Well you see that's how the common people of the UK got to the position they are in now as opposed to being peasants in the middle ages. Luckily our ancestors didn't feel as you and others do.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 8,510
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    Cannot believe some of the comments on here, probably the same ones banging on about the injustice of a lion being hunted and killed, yet youre referring to human beings as "rats"
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    Speak-SoftlySpeak-Softly Posts: 24,737
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    DianaFire wrote: »
    They could carve "Not a defeatist" on your gravestone, I suppose. That must be a comfort.

    And they could carve, "had it all but couldn't defend it" on yours.

    You really think these migrants will do anything ever in the future to help maintain our society where the weak are not thrown out with the garbage?
    Look at what they come from and how they treat those who really have nothing.
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    DianaFireDianaFire Posts: 12,711
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    bspace wrote: »
    Well you see that's how the common people of the UK got to the position they are in now as opposed to being peasants in the middle ages. Luckily our ancestors didn't feel as you and others do.

    The common people of the UK seem to have a very romanticised notion of war. These are individuals who freak out if their mobile is out of battery or Tesco stops stocking Capri-Sun. If they want to act as cannon fodder, that gives me more time to get out.
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    And they could carve, "had it all but couldn't defend it" on yours.

    You really think these migrants will do anything ever in the future to help maintain our society where the weak are not thrown out with the garbage?
    Look at what they come from and how they treat those who really have nothing.

    They are more likely to form protest groups when we go to war with their country of origin rather than help fight back.
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    anne_666anne_666 Posts: 72,891
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    bspace wrote: »
    Well you see that's how the common people of the UK got to the position they are in now as opposed to being peasants in the middle ages. Luckily our ancestors didn't feel as you and others do.

    How can you possibly compare the current crisis to the middle ages? Where on earth do you think people had to go and by what means? Then somehow claim asylum?

    Many people did leave this country during WW2.
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    DianaFireDianaFire Posts: 12,711
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    And they could carve, "had it all but couldn't defend it" on yours.

    I don't get one in this scenario, remember?
    You really think these migrants will do anything ever in the future to help maintain our society where the weak are not thrown out with the garbage?
    Look at what they come from and how they treat those who really have nothing.

    I don't know. I'm not certain of the opposite as some people seem to be. I know that they're risking death to get over here, so they have more in common with the stand-up-and-fight posters than they do with me.
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    Jasper92Jasper92 Posts: 1,302
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    I have to be honest, of all the pictures and footage I've seen of the migrant camp in Calais, it's amazing how disproportionate the numbers of men are, relative to numbers of women and children, trying to get across the Channel.
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    anne_666anne_666 Posts: 72,891
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    DianaFire wrote: »
    The common people of the UK seem to have a very romanticised notion of war. These are individuals who freak out if their mobile is out of battery or Tesco stops stocking Capri-Sun. If they want to act as cannon fodder, that gives me more time to get out.

    Well said.
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