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Hodgson's 23
Jim_McIntosh
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This is the thread about which players will make the Euro finals England squad rather than which squad you would personally take.
Obviously injuries will play a part and a lot can change yet in terms of form but I thought it would be interesting to see how close some people might get. I guess 19-20 would be a good score.
Here's mine....
Hart
Butland
Forster
Jagielka
Cahill
Smalling
Jones
Stones
Clyne
Baines
Gibbs
Henderson
Milner
Wilshere
Barkley
Alli
Oxlade-Chamberlain
Sterling
Walcott
Sturridge
Kane
Rooney
Ings
I may edit this within the next few hours if I've made any glaring errors. Hope that's 23.
Obviously injuries will play a part and a lot can change yet in terms of form but I thought it would be interesting to see how close some people might get. I guess 19-20 would be a good score.
Here's mine....
Hart
Butland
Forster
Jagielka
Cahill
Smalling
Jones
Stones
Clyne
Baines
Gibbs
Henderson
Milner
Wilshere
Barkley
Alli
Oxlade-Chamberlain
Sterling
Walcott
Sturridge
Kane
Rooney
Ings
I may edit this within the next few hours if I've made any glaring errors. Hope that's 23.
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Not enough Chelsea players and too many Liverpool ones?
That's the spirit!
My guess at the final squad will make you not watch the finals?
I'm not following your train of thought.
Why's that?
Is it because the squad isn't full of overrated, overhyped celebrity players that the TV pundits tell us are England's answer to Pele and Maradona?
Hodgson is a decent manager. He has taken over at the worst possible time. He was thrown straight in to the last Euros with barely any time to prepare and got some decent results, only going out on penalties to Italy. No shame in that.
Then we qualified for the World Cup and went there with a weak team that was a mix of old overrated, underachieving players with massive egos who probably couldn't care less and a few kids with little experience. The players available to Hodgson were very poor and in no way capable of achieving anything in Brazil.
Over the last year or so, he's got rid of the deadwood and brought the youngsters on and qualified with a 100% record. All in all, I'd say Hodgson has done an admirable job during a difficult transitional period and is now putting together a new team that has won every single competitive game they've played.
I'm not expecting a huge amount from England at the euros because the team is still a work in progress and the un-droppable Rooney will undoubtedly be a liability as usual, but I don't think they will disgrace themselves.
You're probably not far wrong, although Wilshere will undoubtedly be injured and staying at home and, if Klopp doesn't rate Milner, he might barely get a kick at Liverpool end up being forced out of Hodgson's plans. Sturridge's injury history doesn't bode well either.
Good point.
I'd say it is highly likely. If Ings doesn't really cut it at Liverpool or Sturridge gets yet another injury, Mr. Welbeck is going to get the nod.
Joe Hart
Jack Butland
Fraser Forster
Nathaniel Clyne
Joel Ward (Phil Jones)
Chris Smalling
John Stones
Gary Cahill
Phil Jagielka
Ryan Bertrand (Leighton Baines)
Luke Shaw
Jordan Henderson
Fabian Delph (Danny Welbeck/Ings)
Jack Wilshere
Eric Dier (James Milner)
Michael Carrick
Ross Barkley
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
Theo Walcott
Raheem Sterling
Wayne Rooney
Daniel Sturridge
Harry Kane
(In brackets are those I'd expect Roy to choose instead)
I don't see why we'd need more than three strikers when we're only likely to play 1 up top, plus Walcott can move forward if necessary.
For me it's time to see Milner and Jones dropped. I can't see what they bring at international level, beyond a 'shift'. That won't win you major trophies, and in Milner's case it's time to bring on the next generation
Jones has suffered a lot of injuries so I think it's unfair to write him off just yet. He needs a run of games so hopefully he can get going.
Although with Milner I agree. . Just don't see what he contributes.
Wilshere definitely seems to be 50/50 to even be fit. I read today he's missed 3 years of football through injury and what age is he - 23 or something? Crazy. I thought about that and considered not including him but decided to have him in there. Like you say there are others with a history of injuries or current injuries which might rule them out or might make it difficult for them to come back and regain first team club football - Shaw, Delph, Welbeck just off the top of my head. It's a certainty some players will be injured.
Still....had to pick 23 and take a punt. It's just a friendly guess.
I love Carrick, and think that he could have been brilliant for England, but I can't help but think that his time's passed.
yeah,defintley never utilised well
there was a period of time when watching him at mufc and imo he could have slotted into peps amazing barca team, i really think he was that good in DM/CM role
if hes gonna continue playing wilshere deep maybe there is no need for carrick but its a summer tourny and perhaps we will need experience at some point
Don't get me wrong, I'd take him. I just don't think that Hodgson will, barring injuries.
Thanks for the reply in the intended spirit of the thread and actually having a guess at the final squad.
I agree with you that Dier could break through in the next season or two but not sure if he'll do it before the finals (i.e. he might get capped but not make the 23). He's having a good start to the season though and I like him as a player. England lack naturally defensive midfielders with the discipline to sit. If he finds a place in a future squad then I think it's likely to be in that role before it would be centre-back or full-back as there seems to be more options in those positions.
The lack of a ball winning midfielder was my thinking behind Dier. By the start of the Euro's he'd have had two full seasons in the Premier League and having excelled in both (assuming he carries on as he's started this year). He's grown up playing football abroad and when I watch him you can see those influences in the way he moves the ball. Alli has started fantastically at Spurs but speaking as someone who watches both, there is no way Roy should be considering him ahead of Dier. I even see Dier as future captain material and the experience of Euro 2016 would be invaluable in that sense.
Plus, if you bring Dier, you have that backup option of another CB or RB should injuries ravage the squad. I'd take him over Jones any day of the week.
I think you need a few experienced players though and Carrick doesn't do a bad job imo.
Lallana is an odd one. He has an excellent and intelligent football brain, and is always forward looking in a match. But he's still in recovery from injury issues and not 100% match fit as yet. However, if Klopp gets that sorted, his style of play is 110% blood, mud and guts - he could bring him on to be an excellent choice.
I am holding sway on Liverpool players until we have an idea who Klopp will favour and who he will drop - the favoured ones will definitely improve in fitness and speed, the 'others' will be lucky to get on the pitch.
I'd take Townsend at a push but I expect both to be included in the 23.
If everyone's fit, I don't see how Townsend gets anywhere near the squad. I honestly find it baffling.
Does seem to be a bit of a Hodgson favourite, though.
Can't see either Townsend or Walker anywhere near to be honest. Townsend can;t match up to Ox, Walcott, Sterling or Barkley in the attacking midfield positions whilst Hodgson favours the versatile RB/CB as RB backup, e.g. Smalling, Jones, Stones etc...