I have a short list of books I read as a child that made me think very hard as well - BNW for sure... To Kill A Mockingbird; Tobacco Road, Middlemarch, The Grapes of Wrath, Bleak House, Gone with the Wind, The Brothers Karamazov, A Passage to India, The Magic Mountain, 1984 and my very favourite, Jane Eyre. They were all great stories but the messages they carried have stayed with me!
To Kill A Mockingbird is probably my all time #1. I made my kids read it when they were young. I read Crime and Punishment, but found it hard going. I've never read Tobacco Road, is it good for an adult read?
Why would it be bad to invite people? what people shouldn't be going?
Who knows, that's hardly the point.
If you are using a book as basis for discussion then have honest discussion. It's done in schools everyday and children are asked to take part in arguing for one side against the other.
To Kill A Mockingbird is probably my all time #1. I made my kids read it when they were young. I read Crime and Punishment, but found it hard going. I've never read Tobacco Road, is it good for an adult read?
Tobacco road is 'of its time' - very depressing read about poverty in the Southern states. I'd have a couple of glasses of wine with it.
If you are using a book as basis for discussion then have honest discussion. It's done in schools everyday and children are asked to take part in arguing for one side against the other.
Do you even know what you are on about? Why ask the question if you can't even answer it yourself? Seems rather bizarre... If that comment entered your head then surely you have an idea of the people you wouldn't invite? Care to discuss?...
When parents are intolerant they should be engaged with and told their behaviour us unacceptable. The school should answer complaints and try to reach a compromise but should back up the teacher where an intolerant group seeks to hound them out.
Which would be all well and good until you came out with yet more of the cobblers that seems to characterise your contribution to this thread.
What I object to is the assumption that any one who criticises a teacher is intolerant. I see plenty of room here where thus particular teacher may have courted controversy. I think it could be either/or in this situation as outlined so far. Ie some bigots and an intolerant teacher unwilling to listen to criticism and tone done the rhetoric.
It seems you're seeing what you're wanting to see, not to mention being guilty of exactly the sort of intolerance you're accusing this teacher of.
To Kill A Mockingbird is probably my all time #1. I made my kids read it when they were young. I read Crime and Punishment, but found it hard going. I've never read Tobacco Road, is it good for an adult read?
The Silver Sword by Ian Serraillier always springs to mind, when I think of children's books which had a big impact on me.
How it is taught? He taught to the guidelines of the curriculum. He did it exactly as he was supposed to, otherwise the school and Ofsted would have had an issue with his teaching methods.
NOTE "THEIR BELIEFS"... It's nothing to do with the parents, it's the children. Further proof that parents enforce their own beliefs on their kids... I'd call that indoctrination
Why do you have an issue with equality being taught in schools? Why is it wrong to teach that being gay is ok?
Are you trying to tell parents how to bring up their children? What do you mean it's nothing to do with the parents? It's everything to do with the parents!
Are you trying to tell parents how to bring up their children? What do you mean it's nothing to do with the parents? It's everything to do with the parents!
Are you trying to put words in my mouth? How about answering my question? WHat is your issue with gay people? We are still waiting to know...
You've had long enough to answer it.
actually the curriculum is the responsibility of the School, Ofsted and the Education Minister. The teacher stuck to the guidelines so there has been nothing worth complaining about and the parents shouldn't have been entertained. But I bet if it was people complaining about religion, you would be making a thread about it wouldn't you?
The subject is set but the messages vary. Think back to when you were at school and the projects where you made posters and the like. Not everyone did the same thing. Everyone takes something slightly different from the text but ultimately it's a positive one
I can hardly remember what I learned that far back (around forty years).
All I seem to remember around that time is playing football & cricket, running around the playing fields and acting out scenes from Doctor Who, as a Dalek.
Also we started learning the rudiments of the French language "Poussez le bouton, sil vous plait" on the old magneto phone and parroting "Un, deux, trois ..".
Writing stories, one based on the Kon Tiki expedition, and doing mathematics of some kind.
The thing is we have no idea what the circumstances are. Was it part of a project? Were there other posters bearing other messages? I simply don't know, so I have to go with what was reported, there was a poster there, and it had that message, anything after that is jumping to conclusions.
I think a good defence for the teacher would have been' there were other posters as well as one that said" gay is good" ' but that wasn't said, probably because there weren't any other posters.
The Silver Sword by Ian Serraillier always springs to mind, when I think of children's books which had a big impact on me.
I'll have to check it out.
I think there's always that one book you remb that changed your life. The joy of reading isn't something taught, but a good teacher inspires you to keep reading until you find that one book that brings the joy to life.
I think a good defence for the teacher would have been' there were other posters as well as one that said" gay is good" ' but that wasn't said, probably because there weren't any other posters.
But why is it a problem to have one sole poster with "Gay is good" on it? Are you just upset that it didn't say "religious cult is good"?
What on earth good would that do? You might discuss why some people thought it bad as part of the discussion and there is nothing in that lesson plan to say you should not. The Ofsted requirement is to teach about inclusion and why that is a good thing... and that is what the lesson plan does.
It gives them a reasoned response for favouring inclusion rather than an obedient unreasoning one that they don't have the tools to argue for when they are challenged.
You tell me - it's your comment. What exactly is it that you're suggesting?
That it was part of planned work, not something created off the bat by children using their imaginations. Unless children have changed that much over the decades.
We were still singing "Jesus wants me for a sunbeam", without really knowing why, in assemblies at that age.
It gives them a reasoned response for favouring inclusion rather than an obedient unreasoning one that they don't have the tools to argue for when they are challenged.
How on earth do you think these issues are presented to children?
I think a good defence for the teacher would have been' there were other posters as well as one that said" gay is good" ' but that wasn't said, probably because there weren't any other posters.
Show me that's true, and that it's in any way sinister. Show me it wasn't the children's opinion.
That it was part of planned work, not something created off the bat by children using their imaginations. Unless children have changed that much over the decades.
And that's based on...?
There are other possibilities - that the kids in question have a family friend or relative who's gay, that they're aware of what that means and they made something specific because of that connection because it seemed relevant to what their school was teaching regarding diversity?
I mean - one assumption's just as good as another, eh?
I think a good defence for the teacher would have been' there were other posters as well as one that said" gay is good" ' but that wasn't said, probably because there weren't any other posters.
Might as well string up the kids then. They've obviously been got by 'the gay'.
That it was part of planned work, not something created off the bat by children using their imaginations. Unless children have changed that much over the decades.
We were still singing "Jesus wants me for a sunbeam", without really knowing why, in assemblies at that age.
But how do you know their imagination wasn't being used? There was one poster mentioned but I suspect there would have been many in class. You have the planned work set by the curriculum guidelines and you work out from there. If it was making posters then the kids would have been left to their own devices to create something no doubt. That is what we did at school. Who is to say they didn't have a vote or something between them to decide which was the best one? The teacher didn't have to be involved in that. Then that poster could have been used to show others.
All I see is a select few making up reasons to attack the teacher. Just a load of sensationalist comments
The part where the child gets sick of week after week of moralising and begins to associate reading with it.
Three weeks in a year, for one lesson each time. That's about 90 minutes a year.
Children are remarkable - they want to read books and talk about them - they enjoy sharing their views... that's why literacy lessons are perfect to bring out their views and discuss why it is a good thing to be inclusive and supportive of others.
It gives them a reasoned response for favouring inclusion rather than an obedient unreasoning one that they don't have the tools to argue for when they are challenged.
One point of the books used is to bring out how other people might think inclusion is bad - in some there are characters who are not included and how sad that makes them. There are characters who are not being inclusive - they can be discussed too... as can the characters who support the protagonist. The idea is to get the children to discuss and discover why it is a good thing to be inclusive. I should have thought anyone who read the lesson plans would get this.
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To Kill A Mockingbird is probably my all time #1. I made my kids read it when they were young. I read Crime and Punishment, but found it hard going. I've never read Tobacco Road, is it good for an adult read?
Who knows, that's hardly the point.
If you are using a book as basis for discussion then have honest discussion. It's done in schools everyday and children are asked to take part in arguing for one side against the other.
Tobacco road is 'of its time' - very depressing read about poverty in the Southern states. I'd have a couple of glasses of wine with it.
Do you even know what you are on about? Why ask the question if you can't even answer it yourself? Seems rather bizarre... If that comment entered your head then surely you have an idea of the people you wouldn't invite? Care to discuss?...
Which would be all well and good until you came out with yet more of the cobblers that seems to characterise your contribution to this thread.
It seems you're seeing what you're wanting to see, not to mention being guilty of exactly the sort of intolerance you're accusing this teacher of.
The part where the child gets sick of week after week of moralising and begins to associate reading with it.
Are you trying to tell parents how to bring up their children? What do you mean it's nothing to do with the parents? It's everything to do with the parents!
Are you trying to put words in my mouth? How about answering my question? WHat is your issue with gay people? We are still waiting to know...
You've had long enough to answer it.
actually the curriculum is the responsibility of the School, Ofsted and the Education Minister. The teacher stuck to the guidelines so there has been nothing worth complaining about and the parents shouldn't have been entertained. But I bet if it was people complaining about religion, you would be making a thread about it wouldn't you?
Don't forget to answer my question....
Oh so you took the class then? I assume that's the case as you appear to be speaking for the children now
Children created a poster on a subject which, to me, would seem unusual without being prompted to do so. What's the insinuation?
I can hardly remember what I learned that far back (around forty years).
All I seem to remember around that time is playing football & cricket, running around the playing fields and acting out scenes from Doctor Who, as a Dalek.
Also we started learning the rudiments of the French language "Poussez le bouton, sil vous plait" on the old magneto phone and parroting "Un, deux, trois ..".
Writing stories, one based on the Kon Tiki expedition, and doing mathematics of some kind.
But anything else is a distant blur.
I think a good defence for the teacher would have been' there were other posters as well as one that said" gay is good" ' but that wasn't said, probably because there weren't any other posters.
I'll have to check it out.
I think there's always that one book you remb that changed your life. The joy of reading isn't something taught, but a good teacher inspires you to keep reading until you find that one book that brings the joy to life.
But why is it a problem to have one sole poster with "Gay is good" on it? Are you just upset that it didn't say "religious cult is good"?
You tell me - it's your comment. What exactly is it that you're suggesting?
That it was part of planned work, not something created off the bat by children using their imaginations. Unless children have changed that much over the decades.
We were still singing "Jesus wants me for a sunbeam", without really knowing why, in assemblies at that age.
How on earth do you think these issues are presented to children?
Show me that's true, and that it's in any way sinister. Show me it wasn't the children's opinion.
Oh and why exactly does he need a defence?
And that's based on...?
There are other possibilities - that the kids in question have a family friend or relative who's gay, that they're aware of what that means and they made something specific because of that connection because it seemed relevant to what their school was teaching regarding diversity?
I mean - one assumption's just as good as another, eh?
Might as well string up the kids then. They've obviously been got by 'the gay'.
But how do you know their imagination wasn't being used? There was one poster mentioned but I suspect there would have been many in class. You have the planned work set by the curriculum guidelines and you work out from there. If it was making posters then the kids would have been left to their own devices to create something no doubt. That is what we did at school. Who is to say they didn't have a vote or something between them to decide which was the best one? The teacher didn't have to be involved in that. Then that poster could have been used to show others.
All I see is a select few making up reasons to attack the teacher. Just a load of sensationalist comments
Three weeks in a year, for one lesson each time. That's about 90 minutes a year.
Children are remarkable - they want to read books and talk about them - they enjoy sharing their views... that's why literacy lessons are perfect to bring out their views and discuss why it is a good thing to be inclusive and supportive of others.
One point of the books used is to bring out how other people might think inclusion is bad - in some there are characters who are not included and how sad that makes them. There are characters who are not being inclusive - they can be discussed too... as can the characters who support the protagonist. The idea is to get the children to discuss and discover why it is a good thing to be inclusive. I should have thought anyone who read the lesson plans would get this.