Sorry, but logic and common sense dictates than a person who passes any test first time is more adept at the task than someone who fails 10 times and finally [ through luck and serendipity more than anything else ] passes after the 11th time.
There should be a cut off point, fail 5 times and you're denied another test for 5 years.
Surely luck can be attributed to passing first time as well as to passing on the 10th time or any other time?. It could be luck that the morning of the first test, the roads are quiet, the weather is good etc.
I still say that having more lessons with a fully qualified driving instructor, between sitting the tests, is a good thing, whereas other people may have only had minimal practice with a relative or something like that.
My driving instructor recommended that driving wasn't for me but then again I am dyspraxic and it was an absolute nightmare when I was trying to learn. I'd literally cry after every lesson as it was such a disaster.
I much prefer public transport. I'm one of those people who like chatting to other commuters (only if they are in the mood to talk though )
I passed second time, in the mid 1980s.
I don't know anyone of my time who took more than 3 attempts to pass.
I concur with the others who say that if you've failed more than 5 times, then maybe driving isn't for you.
Are these multiple failers failing on the same thing, or different things each time?
Yeah, different mistakes. The last two tests I've failed for undue hesitance. My driving instructor keeps telling me that I'm a good driver and I keep failing due to 'bad luck' but I know I'm rubbish.
No kidding. Hypnotherapy seemed to really help me, if that's of any use/interest to anyone. I managed to pass on the first attempt I took after undertaking my course of hypnotherapy.
I managed to pass on my first attempt too and didn't use hypnotherapy, just good old fashion determination.
I think they should change the way practical driving tests are taken. Test centres should have specialist cars with cameras installed and the learner driver should have to go with their usual driving instructor and be made to drive a pre planned route which would be given to them on the day. Many people fail their test because they are nervous of the strange person sat in a close proximity to them not because they cant drive!
Then if they fail, they should just be told "COMPUTER SAYS NO!"
Yeah, different mistakes. The last two tests I've failed for undue hesitance. My driving instructor keeps telling me that I'm a good driver and I keep failing due to 'bad luck' but I know I'm rubbish.
Is undue hesitance a instant fail I would have thought it would be a minor.
I think it was my 5th or 6th test I passed on but then I had been put in for some tests when I wasn't nearly ready for them(I realised that after)
For me, it was nerves and over thinking everything. Also I don't know if it helped a lot but my instructor sat in with me on the last test.I also channeled my nerves by singing (REALLY BADLY)which make the examiner and instructor chuckle so lightened the mood I guess. Also didn't go into the test centre until the very last minute, instead I sat outside in the car listening to my music to try and calm myself down.
I still don't know how I managed to pass, let alone with just 2 minors.
I think they should change the way practical driving tests are taken. Test centres should have specialist cars with cameras installed and the learner driver should have to go with their usual driving instructor and be made to drive a pre planned route which would be given to them on the day. Many people fail their test because they are nervous of the strange person sat in a close proximity to them not because they cant drive!
Then if they fail, they should just be told "COMPUTER SAYS NO!"
Well how are they going to cope giving lifts to people if they can't drive with someone other than their driving instructor beside them?
I passed my driving test on the 4th time which was on Tuesday 26th February 2013, last year, in Hartlepool. The difference for me was the previous 3 tests were undertaken early in the morning (around 8-9am-ish) when I wasn't all that alert, plus you have more traffic, kids going to school, etc etc. My 4th driving test I took later in the morning (around 11am I think). You may want to consider booking your test for a later time in the day if you aren't already.
Did you sit the test in the 80s and recently or are you just basing that on the fact that there's a separate assessment part now?
What else has changed? Motorway driving?
You have two parts of the test, theory and practical. The practical includes two questions at the start called show me, tell me questions if you google that you get an idea of the things they ask. You have supervised driving where the marker person says go to random road and you've to find your way using the road signs. You get one of four moves you've to do, parallel parking, reversing round a corner, bay park and a turn in the road. You've also to do an emergency stop and that's pretty much it, oh you would also do the normal driving with instruction from the marker dude.
We have this woman at work. She took I think she said 19 attempts over about 4 years to pass her driving test - every time it was someone else's fault, never hers. She simply took test after test, sometimes just a few weeks apart, until she got lucky and passed.
Anyway since passing she has written two pool cars off in 4 years, and also badly damaged her own and had several minor accidents. To cap it all off, she managed to drive the wrong way down a dual carriageway and then just stopped in the middle of two lanes causing a huge jam and needing the police to sort it out. She is currently banned from driving as she has 15 points on her licence, 9 for speeding (same camera each time) and more recently 6 for running a Polish woman over on a zebra crossing and not noticing!
Its reasons like this we need to stop people simply retaking tests repeatedly until they get lucky and pass.
Most of them are probably fine to drive, they just suffer under test conditions.
Every time my mum took her test, she couldn't stop her leg jumping up and down with nerves. The 4th time, half-way through when the examiner starting talking to her, assuming this meant she'd failed, she immediately relaxed. To her surprise she passed and the examiner said that he realised exam nerves were the main problem. He'd actually been assessing her while he was talking and said her driving was absolutely fine.
Yeah just keep going. You'll get the usual well meaning morons telling you that you have no place on the roads, but they are literally just morons. Just because a person passes first go, doesn't mean they are any better of a driver than someone who takes 17 tries. After you pass, do you really think it will matter how many times it took you? All that matters is you don't give up. It took me three times and I built myself up into such a mess about wanting to pass first go because I thought I was a competent driver, but nerves overtook me and it took a few more goes.
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I took my test five times and passed on the fifth go and it was one of the best days of my life! My problem was nerves too. Don't worry. You'll get there - good luck.
Don't you still do reversing around corners, a turn in the road and the like?
I started taking lessons in '89 and passed in 1990 (1st time), and yes I to rev round a corner, do a 3 point turn, and emergency stop. Don't forget back then we didn't have power steering, or ABS brakes - or adjustable door mirrors.
for anyone who is struggling with plain old clutch or gear controls, and this going on for silly numbers of lessons, just switch to an automatic car - problem solved.
I passed on my third attempt , first one it was snowing and my confidence just went, 2nd attempt the examiner failed me on something minor in my instructors opinion , Third time by the time it ended I had convinced myself I had failed again and I started crying when the Examiner said Congratulations you have passed:D
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Surely luck can be attributed to passing first time as well as to passing on the 10th time or any other time?. It could be luck that the morning of the first test, the roads are quiet, the weather is good etc.
I still say that having more lessons with a fully qualified driving instructor, between sitting the tests, is a good thing, whereas other people may have only had minimal practice with a relative or something like that.
I much prefer public transport. I'm one of those people who like chatting to other commuters (only if they are in the mood to talk though
I don't know anyone of my time who took more than 3 attempts to pass.
I concur with the others who say that if you've failed more than 5 times, then maybe driving isn't for you.
Are these multiple failers failing on the same thing, or different things each time?
test is harder now than it was in the 80's.
Yeah, different mistakes. The last two tests I've failed for undue hesitance. My driving instructor keeps telling me that I'm a good driver and I keep failing due to 'bad luck' but I know I'm rubbish.
I managed to pass on my first attempt too and didn't use hypnotherapy, just good old fashion determination.
How so?
Don't you still do reversing around corners, a turn in the road and the like?
Then if they fail, they should just be told "COMPUTER SAYS NO!"
Is undue hesitance a instant fail
It can be a minor or a major, depending on whether it is seen as dangerous.
For me, it was nerves and over thinking everything. Also I don't know if it helped a lot but my instructor sat in with me on the last test.I also channeled my nerves by singing (REALLY BADLY)which make the examiner and instructor chuckle so lightened the mood I guess. Also didn't go into the test centre until the very last minute, instead I sat outside in the car listening to my music to try and calm myself down.
I still don't know how I managed to pass, let alone with just 2 minors.
Did you sit the test in the 80s and recently or are you just basing that on the fact that there's a separate assessment part now?
What else has changed? Motorway driving?
You have two parts of the test, theory and practical. The practical includes two questions at the start called show me, tell me questions if you google that you get an idea of the things they ask. You have supervised driving where the marker person says go to random road and you've to find your way using the road signs. You get one of four moves you've to do, parallel parking, reversing round a corner, bay park and a turn in the road. You've also to do an emergency stop and that's pretty much it, oh you would also do the normal driving with instruction from the marker dude.
Anyway since passing she has written two pool cars off in 4 years, and also badly damaged her own and had several minor accidents. To cap it all off, she managed to drive the wrong way down a dual carriageway and then just stopped in the middle of two lanes causing a huge jam and needing the police to sort it out. She is currently banned from driving as she has 15 points on her licence, 9 for speeding (same camera each time) and more recently 6 for running a Polish woman over on a zebra crossing and not noticing!
Its reasons like this we need to stop people simply retaking tests repeatedly until they get lucky and pass.
Quoted for TRUTH!
I took my test five times and passed on the fifth go and it was one of the best days of my life! My problem was nerves too. Don't worry. You'll get there - good luck.
I started taking lessons in '89 and passed in 1990 (1st time), and yes I to rev round a corner, do a 3 point turn, and emergency stop. Don't forget back then we didn't have power steering, or ABS brakes - or adjustable door mirrors.