To be fair, he did play the Doctor the longest and filmed all his regenerations, so he's definitely off the hook in my book.
Chris may equally get off the hook in the future so who knows. By the Chris also filmed his regeneration scene so I'm not sure what point you are making.
Chris may equally get off the hook in the future so who knows. By the Chris also filmed his regeneration scene so I'm not sure what point you are making.
Eccleston didn't film his initial regeneration as we've seen today, nor did he or will he ever play the Doctor the longest so no brownie points for him.
Christopher showed integrity in standing by his decision. I think it was the right one for him. There was something cheap and gaudy about the after show party (and the compilation BBC3 show that followed). He's my doctor and I don't need extra corroboration to support that fact!
Eccleston didn't film his initial regeneration as we've seen today, nor did he or will he ever play the Doctor the longest so no brownie points for him.
He brought the show back and gave it credibility it was previously lacking.
Off the hook.
It wasn't his choice not to include the initial regeneration and I don't think he's obligated to return to a job after 8 years just to fill in a blank another writer made the decision not to include.
As a cameo (we'll forget a full, "another Doctor" appearance as being unlikely anyway with his schedule with Hollywood etc.) what could Eccleston have done? Hurt would have regenerated into him... we'd have had the initial shock of his appearance (obviously something about the ears) and then probably him looking pensive. Perhaps setting the TARDIS to find him something to do.
There wouldn't have been a lot there, a glorified cameo at best. Whilst it would have been enough for the fans, perhaps he just couldn't see the point of the time and effort on part of his life that he's mostly closed off.
He brought the show back and gave it credibility it was previously lacking.
Off the hook.
It wasn't his choice not to include the initial regeneration and I don't think he's obligated to return to a job after 8 years just to fill in a blank another writer made the decision not to include.
Off the hook.
Alright, alright. He's still no match for Tom Baker.
dr who gained credibility by restarting. something that does not exist has zero crediblity.
i think eccleston expected to play serious drama but then found that he was an onscreen icon in a video game. whereas his successors had already seen nu who so knew whhat to expect .......
I think Chris's presence could've made the 9th Doctor scene where he's circling Gallifrey (as opposed to "Now for my next trick which was clearly copied from The Parting of the Ways). I don't blame the production team but it felt really contrived whereas if Chris could've filmed a 5 second scene there and a 5 second regen scene it would've been amazing and added to it. But nevertheless, I respect his choice to opt out and say he didn't want a role and we don't know how his role would've been in the original script.
Apparently he didn't get on with senior people, there was bullying behaviour happening he didn't like, so he thought staying on would mean accepting things that he thought were immoral. Plus, you know, nine months a year away from home, working 16 hour days in quarries
Longer (unconfirmed) quote here...I think the official quote is that he "didn't enjoy the environment and the culture".
AFAIK he also was very upset about a near-accident that happened on one of his early stories. Some platform or scaffolding collapsed or something - people would have been killed if anybody had been underneath.
If this thread's anything to go by, Eccleston's decision not to come back to satisfy the whims of a few fans who weren't even alive in 1989 when the original show was cancelled is entirely justified and vindicated. Apparently you all love Tennant, as he's just been named the "best" Doctor (though how you can scientifically quantify an emotional interpretation of "bestness" given the enormous amount of variables in production, writing, social attitude and acting skills over the 50 year lifespan of the programme is beyond me) and he had the biggest role outside of Matt Smith's in the episode. So the fans got what they wanted. End. Of.
Filming just 4 mins of this show takes 11 hours in one day. He had other work commitments. I reckon Moffat never even asked him (that was what he was lying about). Where would 9 fit into that story? Maybe he didn't like it, maybe he had family commitments.
I like the way he remains cool by not appearing in this, the documentary's, the after show party or that dr Who episode that Peter Davison was on about :cool:. A Ha, his moved on with his career. What's wrong with being aloof anyway? It's :cool:
Tom Baker didn't appear in the 20th. In a way its better he didn't as it means the timeline of his Doctor stays intact, so from 9's perspective, Gallifrey is still gone, it also helps explain how some of the Daleks survived.
That's what I mean when I said that I don't think Moffat really did ask Chris to be in it, because having 9 there would have made me even more confused that I am already . Plus as I said, Chris is too cool :cool:
I reckon he is lying when he said that he has a mortgage to pay
Granted he has aged less than the majority and could 'slot in' but they needed to draw a line somewhere.
Loved the scene with every doctor stood there looking on
Yeah, he is still very handsome but he seems to have lost even more weight. Do you think he's anoraxic?
As a cameo (we'll forget a full, "another Doctor" appearance as being unlikely anyway with his schedule with Hollywood etc.) what could Eccleston have done? Hurt would have regenerated into him... we'd have had the initial shock of his appearance (obviously something about the ears) and then probably him looking pensive. Perhaps setting the TARDIS to find him something to do.
There wouldn't have been a lot there, a glorified cameo at best. Whilst it would have been enough for the fans, perhaps he just couldn't see the point of the time and effort on part of his life that he's mostly closed off.
All he had to do was turn up for half an hour, stand in a room and be regenerated.
Christopher Eccleston - Shame on you!
All that the makers of the programme needed to do was some jiggery pokery and slot his face into the regeneration scene. This might have been enough to please all the obsessive whingers who think that Christopher Ecclestone owes them something.
Why does he get all this hassle when some members of the past cast (however minor), will turn up to the opening of an envelope?
Filming just 4 mins of this show takes 11 hours in one day. He had other work commitments. I reckon Moffat never even asked him (that was what he was lying about). Where would 9 fit into that story? Maybe he didn't like it, maybe he had family commitments.
I like the way he remains cool by not appearing in this, the documentary's, the after show party or that dr Who episode that Peter Davison was on about :cool:. A Ha, his moved on with his career. What's wrong with being aloof anyway? It's :cool:
Stop with these boring threads please
I have no problem accepting that CE didn't want to do the episode but I can't understand saying there wasn't somewhere for him to fit into that story - there clearly was. The story was great but and if it had just been MS I wouldn't have thought CE was missing but as soon as DT was in it and it became about the War Doctor's future the fact one of his future incarnations wasn't there was an elephant in the room especially since the 9th was the most tortured by the destruction of Gallifrey.
I do agree. I thought Moffat would work around him not being there, but his absence was really noticeable. If Hurt was seeing his future, why not Eccleston as well as Tennant and Smith? No explanation was provided. And it would have been SO MUCH better if he was there.
There was no reason he couldn't have filmed a scene. But I don't blame him exclusivley, because I also think the producers and editors could have done better. During the regeneration scene, why couldn't it have finished with a cut of Eccleston's face?
It would've been great to see him playing the role again, but if his time there was unhappy I can understand him not wanting to go back. Maybe he'll turn up during another anniversary, years from now, when the people he (apparently) wasn't happy with have gone elsewhere.
All that the makers of the programme needed to do was some jiggery pokery and slot his face into the regeneration scene. This might have been enough to please all the obsessive whingers who think that Christopher Ecclestone owes them something.
The obsessive defenders, who are seemingly unable to cope with others having their differing opinions, are getting a bit tedious tbh.
I do agree. I thought Moffat would work around him not being there, but his absence was really noticeable. If Hurt was seeing his future, why not Eccleston as well as Tennant and Smith? No explanation was provided. And it would have been SO MUCH better if he was there.
There was no reason he couldn't have filmed a scene. But I don't blame him exclusivley, because I also think the producers and editors could have done better. During the regeneration scene, why couldn't it have finished with a cut of Eccleston's face?
Then why not capaldi?, and why not all the doctors afterwards?
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To be fair, he did play the Doctor the longest and filmed all his regenerations, so he's definitely off the hook in my book.
Chris may equally get off the hook in the future so who knows. By the Chris also filmed his regeneration scene so I'm not sure what point you are making.
Eccleston didn't film his initial regeneration as we've seen today, nor did he or will he ever play the Doctor the longest so no brownie points for him.
He brought the show back and gave it credibility it was previously lacking.
Off the hook.
It wasn't his choice not to include the initial regeneration and I don't think he's obligated to return to a job after 8 years just to fill in a blank another writer made the decision not to include.
Off the hook.
There wouldn't have been a lot there, a glorified cameo at best. Whilst it would have been enough for the fans, perhaps he just couldn't see the point of the time and effort on part of his life that he's mostly closed off.
Alright, alright. He's still no match for Tom Baker.
i think eccleston expected to play serious drama but then found that he was an onscreen icon in a video game. whereas his successors had already seen nu who so knew whhat to expect .......
AFAIK he also was very upset about a near-accident that happened on one of his early stories. Some platform or scaffolding collapsed or something - people would have been killed if anybody had been underneath.
I like the way he remains cool by not appearing in this, the documentary's, the after show party or that dr Who episode that Peter Davison was on about :cool:. A Ha, his moved on with his career. What's wrong with being aloof anyway? It's :cool:
Stop with these boring threads please
That's what I mean when I said that I don't think Moffat really did ask Chris to be in it, because having 9 there would have made me even more confused that I am already
I reckon he is lying when he said that he has a mortgage to pay
Yeah, he is still very handsome but he seems to have lost even more weight. Do you think he's anoraxic?
How dare you bring common sense into the thread.
Except it.... kind of.... DID exist.
26 years worth of episodes and a TV movie existed.
But the show was seen as a joke and not worth resurrecting. Hence the humongous effort to get it back on the air.
As much as his detractors wouldn't like to admit, Eccleston was a huge part of the reason the show managed to become a success again.
All that the makers of the programme needed to do was some jiggery pokery and slot his face into the regeneration scene. This might have been enough to please all the obsessive whingers who think that Christopher Ecclestone owes them something.
Why does he get all this hassle when some members of the past cast (however minor), will turn up to the opening of an envelope?
Well duh, yes of course it was. No-one is saying he oughtn't to have a choice.
He just used his choice to make a piss poor decision.
I have no problem accepting that CE didn't want to do the episode but I can't understand saying there wasn't somewhere for him to fit into that story - there clearly was. The story was great but and if it had just been MS I wouldn't have thought CE was missing but as soon as DT was in it and it became about the War Doctor's future the fact one of his future incarnations wasn't there was an elephant in the room especially since the 9th was the most tortured by the destruction of Gallifrey.
And for a whole generation HE will always be their Doctor.
There was no reason he couldn't have filmed a scene. But I don't blame him exclusivley, because I also think the producers and editors could have done better. During the regeneration scene, why couldn't it have finished with a cut of Eccleston's face?
The obsessive defenders, who are seemingly unable to cope with others having their differing opinions, are getting a bit tedious tbh.