You make a good point, everybody thought he overachieved at Everton not sure he did really, we'll I did think until he left but not now. Everton doing so well has probably been one reason for his sacking from Man u
Maybe I was bit hard on him, but the style of manager he is, I think what he did at Everton was as good as he was going to get, the trouble with him is that he worries to much about losing, rather than thinking about winning or seems to come across that way.
Even if he had Ronaldo, Messi, Bale in the squad, I still think he would hold them back. He is probably a good manager to bring in if you want stability, Top 7-10 with maybe a lucky push for a European place, but anything else or greater achievement probably best looking at another manager. I think Celtic would be actually an ideal club for him, if he can't win in Scotland with Celtic he probably wouldn't have a chance anywhere else.
He comes across as a decent sort of bloke, but I don't feel sorry for him.
The bottom line is, if you don't do what's required of you in any job you (should) get your marching orders. As someone pointed out above, when the dust has settled I'm sure he'll join the managers merry go round and will do okay at a club more his level, I'm sure Spurs will be looking for a manager in the summer ;-)
Yeah the money he'll receive softens the blow but he is still seen as a failure as far as managing Manchester United was concerned and having it played out very publicly must be quite humiliating and on a human level I have sympathy for him in that respect. He seems like a decent bloke. It was always going to be a huge task to take over from Ferguson, whoever it was. I am sure he will come back and manage again but this will be hurting like hell.
From what I've read, under the terms of his six-year contract, failure to qualify for the 2014/15 Champions League entitles Moyes to take away only one year's pay from the five years outstanding on his six-year contract.
There is certainly no suggestion that he can just sit on his hands and pick up £6m a year for another five years.The Glazers may be a lot of things, but they ain't stupid.
I feel sorry for him because he lost the dressing room quite early in but other than that no. He'll probably go on holiday and come back to the league as Spurs or Newcastle manager next season.
From what I've read, under the terms of his six-year contract, failure to qualify for the 2014/15 Champions League entitles Moyes to take away only one year's pay from the five years outstanding on his six-year contract.
There is certainly no suggestion that he can just sit on his hands and pick up £6m a year for another five years.The Glazers may be a lot of things, but they ain't stupid.
Really, you would think so, being successful business men. However the way they choose to throw out every tried and tested method of appointing "the right person for the job" suggest otherwise. Then it appears that they waited for a clause to be activated (failure to get CL football) unti they sacked him in order to save maybe a few extra million, thus losing maybe between £50-100 m. Whereas if they had sacked him at xmas when it was obvious it wasn't working out, they may have rescued 4th place and all the rewards that brings.
I'm never one to agree with codeblue but I think the point he/she may be making is pretty close to the mark. A football contract gives you far more security than the ordinary guy in the workplace gets. You can be a failure in football and walk away with millions. The ordinary guy in the workplace, who may or may not be a failure, can be sacked for no reason after less than a year in work and get nothing and no recourse for compensation.
No, I don't feel sorry for him. Aside from the money, he is still a respected manager and with the usual managerial merry-go-round every season, he won't be out of work for long.
He may never get the chance to manage a club of the status of United again, but there are plenty of other opportunities around.
I think he was actually quite shocked to find how ordinary the squad was when it came down to it. In the season previously Fergie & RVP won a lot of games that United barely deserved to win and it possibly papered over the cracks for one more season. Sir Alex failed to strengthen key areas of the team for perhaps too long.
I don't believe the next manager will fare much better as you could quite easily be looking at replacing 5 or 6 first team players so that next person will need to buy some time by getting immediate results.
He didn't do a great job, but didn't deserve to be sacked via the media and twitter. Difficult for anyone to follow Ferguson, even more so when lumbered with a declining squad and novice chief executive.
Really, you would think so, being successful business men. However the way they choose to throw out every tried and tested method of appointing "the right person for the job" suggest otherwise. Then it appears that they waited for a clause to be activated (failure to get CL football) unti they sacked him in order to save maybe a few extra million, thus losing maybe between £50-100 m. Whereas if they had sacked him at xmas when it was obvious it wasn't working out, they may have rescued 4th place and all the rewards that brings.
I've read that the decision was actually made back in February ?
I can't argue with your logic, but I suppose six months would have looked bad even for hard-headed business men like the Glazers. But they've compounded their problems, with no CL qualification and not exactly having a reputation as big spenders, the job is nowhere near as attractive as it was a year ago.
...all that sucking up to the fans and the wide eyed,so happy to be here bollocks,was always gonna end in tears..overt sycophancy can be extremely nauseating...somebody really should have advised him to knock it down a notch..
I'm never one to agree with codeblue but I think the point he/she may be making is pretty close to the mark. A football contract gives you far more security than the ordinary guy in the workplace gets. You can be a failure in football and walk away with millions. The ordinary guy in the workplace, who may or may not be a failure, can be sacked for no reason after less than a year in work and get nothing and no recourse for compensation.
Because your ordinary guy at work generates not very much income for the company compared to a football manager. Actors get xxx film deals and singers get album deals. The number of plumbers compared to the number of football managers means contracts have to work both ways to keep a manager.
No, would never feel sorry for him. this must have been a massive psychological blow but he is made for life. i was shocked at some of the TV close ups, he looked a broken man, don't think ive ever seen a manager look so alone and helpless. United sacking him is actually a blessing in disguise as his health would have suffered if had remained for another season.
This is the reality of the situation and I wish him a realistic break to recover. I've been "let go" from a couple of jobs in my time and the pain can be hard to take without being in the public eye too.
Personally I would like to see the end result being the Glazers covered in the soft and smelly stuff although clearly this decision was a sensible one.
It's not Moyes fault blame the fans and the players for expecting to much and wanting more money,My advice to Manchester is go and support FCMU a real team not plagued by money.
Manchester United use to be a football paradise but now it is a Casino for the glazers.
It's not Moyes fault blame the fans and the players for expecting to much and wanting more money,My advice to Manchester is go a support FCMU a wrap team not plagued by money.
Manchester United use to be a football paradise but now it is a Casino for the glazers.
...moyes took over the champions,not torquay united..the directors failure to question ferguson's decision was apathetic,but can hardly be blamed for moyes tactical & managerial ineptitude...
Because your ordinary guy at work generates not very much income for the company compared to a football manager. Actors get xxx film deals and singers get album deals. The number of plumbers compared to the number of football managers means contracts have to work both ways to keep a manager.
I'm just making the point that most wont feel sorry for him because whichever you look at it, he comes out of the situation far better than most people will ever dream of
The spot light was on him from day one. It's not always the managers fault as he doesn't kick the ball around on match day. His players should have got on with winning for the club that pays the mouth that feeds them. The players are experienced enough to come together and get on with the job and win for the club.
Giggs seems happy enough to have him as his 'flunky' as you so quaintly call it.
Phil Neville and Chris Woods are reported as being in their jobs for the last three games only so far. I imagine the incoming manager will have the final say on whether they stay.
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It certainly seems to have lost him the players support.
Bringing in Neville as flunky didnt help neither.
As a football manager I have absolutely no sympathy for him. He didn't help himself, in far too many ways.
As for his 'pay-off', I've seen £4.5m being reported. Hardly chump change, but nowhere near this supposed £30m.
Giggs seems happy enough to have him as his 'flunky' as you so quaintly call it.
Maybe I was bit hard on him, but the style of manager he is, I think what he did at Everton was as good as he was going to get, the trouble with him is that he worries to much about losing, rather than thinking about winning or seems to come across that way.
Even if he had Ronaldo, Messi, Bale in the squad, I still think he would hold them back. He is probably a good manager to bring in if you want stability, Top 7-10 with maybe a lucky push for a European place, but anything else or greater achievement probably best looking at another manager. I think Celtic would be actually an ideal club for him, if he can't win in Scotland with Celtic he probably wouldn't have a chance anywhere else.
The bottom line is, if you don't do what's required of you in any job you (should) get your marching orders. As someone pointed out above, when the dust has settled I'm sure he'll join the managers merry go round and will do okay at a club more his level, I'm sure Spurs will be looking for a manager in the summer ;-)
I feel the same as this
The mass media were running with this big style all afternoon & night, yet we had to wait until this morning for confirmation
There is certainly no suggestion that he can just sit on his hands and pick up £6m a year for another five years.The Glazers may be a lot of things, but they ain't stupid.
Really, you would think so, being successful business men. However the way they choose to throw out every tried and tested method of appointing "the right person for the job" suggest otherwise. Then it appears that they waited for a clause to be activated (failure to get CL football) unti they sacked him in order to save maybe a few extra million, thus losing maybe between £50-100 m. Whereas if they had sacked him at xmas when it was obvious it wasn't working out, they may have rescued 4th place and all the rewards that brings.
He may never get the chance to manage a club of the status of United again, but there are plenty of other opportunities around.
I don't believe the next manager will fare much better as you could quite easily be looking at replacing 5 or 6 first team players so that next person will need to buy some time by getting immediate results.
I've read that the decision was actually made back in February ?
I can't argue with your logic, but I suppose six months would have looked bad even for hard-headed business men like the Glazers. But they've compounded their problems, with no CL qualification and not exactly having a reputation as big spenders, the job is nowhere near as attractive as it was a year ago.
Because your ordinary guy at work generates not very much income for the company compared to a football manager. Actors get xxx film deals and singers get album deals. The number of plumbers compared to the number of football managers means contracts have to work both ways to keep a manager.
This is the reality of the situation and I wish him a realistic break to recover. I've been "let go" from a couple of jobs in my time and the pain can be hard to take without being in the public eye too.
Personally I would like to see the end result being the Glazers covered in the soft and smelly stuff although clearly this decision was a sensible one.
Manchester United use to be a football paradise but now it is a Casino for the glazers.
...moyes took over the champions,not torquay united..the directors failure to question ferguson's decision was apathetic,but can hardly be blamed for moyes tactical & managerial ineptitude...
I'm just making the point that most wont feel sorry for him because whichever you look at it, he comes out of the situation far better than most people will ever dream of
Phil Neville and Chris Woods are reported as being in their jobs for the last three games only so far. I imagine the incoming manager will have the final say on whether they stay.