Doctors Pay...
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I've just seen this article on the BBC news site: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26698174
At first, I thought they weren't getting any pay rise. However, a bit of further reading makes me think they get an annual 3% rise, and they expect an extra 1% on top of that?
If so, they can shove off IMO. They get a better rise than other NHS workers and already get great pay.
Have I got it right, and what does everyone else think?
At first, I thought they weren't getting any pay rise. However, a bit of further reading makes me think they get an annual 3% rise, and they expect an extra 1% on top of that?
If so, they can shove off IMO. They get a better rise than other NHS workers and already get great pay.
Have I got it right, and what does everyone else think?
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Between £54k and £82k is not enough, hardly on the breadline, GPs of course.
http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/doctors/pay-for-doctors/
I believe that doctors are highly skilled professionals who should be able to charge their customers the market rate for their skills, without the state imposing a subsidised communist health-rationing monopoly (ie, NHS) upon them.
Do we queue for our daily loaf of bread at the National Bread Service? No. Neither should the state have anything to do with healthcare. Or education. Or almost anything except the armed forces.
How much do you think doctors are paid?
How much do you think they should be paid?
Are you a doctor?
What about- how they get you to sign a 'get out of jail free' card to allow them to make an absolute balls up of their work and get away with it?.
What about how they all close ranks and cover up their sometimes fatal mistakes?.
Half the doctors I've met have a poor command of the English language.Sometimes I wonder if they'd be more at home as Witch Doctors.
That's exactly what the state is there for - to look after us for those who want it. Otherwise, what on earth is the point?
It's not a fascist state. If you have the wealth you have the choice to use private schools and private healthcare but most people would have no interest in either because they cannot afford it.. or may even have ideological issues with such things.
Some of them are great, some of them are absolutely dreadful. It took five months for me to get a simple blood test and near on seven years to get referred to a specialist, and I know of other far worse examples.
That said, if there's one area where we should be spending it should be healthcare. However, I think they're pay should be performance based to an extent. Don't know how you would implement it, but would be better than a blanket raise where awful doctors get the same as those who go above and beyond.
The trouble with the state monopolising a whole sector of the (once private) economy and turning it over to a state-run thing, is that it removes the entirely natural "self interest" incentive which self-regulates any sector of an economy. People are still "shocked" at all the failings of the NHS, but instead of demanding that it be closed down and privatised, people say "we need a better NHS, with better performance and fewer errors". Completely failing to realise that it is the very nature of a state-funded sector to become full of the failings that we see today. First rule of economics: Incentives matter.
How would you suggest those that can't afford medical treatment, or insurance, get access to medical care under a private system then?
Besides, that's not really what this thread is about.
Yep, and many people got sick and died then as there was no universal healthcare access. Look how bad things are in countries like the USA if you get seriously ill!
Basic necessities, including healthcare should be provided for by the state.
The same way as I got access to a new 42" plasma TV when, at first, I couldn't afford it:
At first, I bought a TV that I could afford, and instead of thinking that I had some sort of automatic "human right" to a TV that I couldn't afford, (or that other people's taxes ought to pay for a bigger TV for me) I decided to work and save until I could afford it, and then I bought one I could afford.
Simple: I worked, I earned, I saved up for what I priotised that I wanted, and then I spent my money on what I had saved for. Healthcare is really no different.
Except it's completely different because healthcare is an essential.. for health and ultimately, life. People die in some countries because they cannot access treatment.. and I'm not just talking third world countries..!
A TV is a luxury that can be waited for and saved for. It's so different I can't believe THAT was your example!
No, it doesn't work like that.
Ah, but it should.
The privatisation of basic utilities is a fairly recent occurrence (relatively) and many, including myself heartily disagree with it.
How are they going to continue to do so, if you demand it for free? Someone has to pay them!
...OK, I can anticipate the answer: more taxes, blah blah blah. Look, I can give you a HMRC bank giro payslip if you'd like to voluntarily pay some more tax ( I tried handing them out at the "UK Uncut" gatherings, but strangely, everyone refused to take them! )
It should be a function of the state, which would be funded by taxes if they were all, actually properly collected..
If you're genuinely this simple it's pointless discussing it with you - but it's well known that companies and individuals use a variety of tricks to avoid paying in many cases, any tax at all.
That is wrong.
Besides which, you wouldn't find anybody at a 'UK Uncut' meeting who earns enough to pay tax. Understandably the people pissed about this are those who are poor and suffering at the hands of this useless system.
You know something's wrong when apparently my small family business is making more profit than Starbucks.. if accounting is to be believed.
For example, the law says that a business is taxed on the entire profit it makes while it is in operation. So, if you make a loss one year, you offset that loss against your profit the next year. Not a trick - the law. That is all that Vodafone etc have done - obey the law.
Very true.I've had my fair share of good docs and really piss poor bad ones.
If ever there was a profession where performance related pay had a place,then this is it.
Um. Again with the simple argument.
Just because something is 'the law' it doesn't make it right at all. Laws are sometimes wrong, and laws can be changed.
And as for Vodafone and others.. they don't even legally avoid tax - they negotiate with HMRC on it in secret deals. That's a different thing altogether and borders on corruption in my book.
You sir, are talking absolute bollocks.
Many doctors make 6 figure salaries. They will have studied for a long time and its a skilled profession, but I can't get too upset when I hear doctors whinging about their pay rises.