I wouldn't be surprised if monique turned out to be Molly, something about the paintings and the haunting looks of the children reminded me of the pic ian had painted of Molly.
Looking forward to next week still don't trust mark one bit
I am also left with the disturbing view that the writers are trying to portray an acceptable view of paedophilia. Subtle hints that this is a mental condition that is treatable and that there are valid reasons why they do what they do.
Reprehensible attempt to change perceptions using popular tv dramas. BBC should be ashamed of itself.
A beautiful stranger just chats him up for sex. Yeah right.
Did they think what was missing for the viewer is some gratuitous sex?
There wasn't any gratuitous sex though, was there? They have a short conversation and then the next we see of them is him pulling his shirt on in her apartment. It's hinted at, not gratuitous.
lol at some of the questions being asked on here, do people actually watch the programme? I don't see whats confusing about it, the differences between 2006 and modern day are obvious well they are to me all the switching back and forward hasn't bothered me ive been able to follow with no problems and im loving it
Agreed. I'm actually disappointed they started adding in the time period as subtitles, no doubt to appease the complainers.
Agree it was misleading but the worst part of the episode was when that stranger just came up to him, firstly what the hell was the point of that scene?? secondly it was completely unbelievable, why did she approach him in the first place the whole scene was just bizarre and seemed out of place in the episode.
I agree Tony's dalliance with the artist did seem a little strange, but maybe more of this will be made in future episodes? Or maybe it was just a plot device to get him out of the cafe for an hour or so so that Baptiste could calm Rini down and get her to change her mind about leaving - which presumably he did, offscreen. If Tony had hung around, all agitated with her as he was, it was less likely Rini would have had a change of heart.
I don't know, but it could possibly be the name of the boat Tony killed Ian on?
That's what i assumed. She is taken things from the real world into her dream world, that yacht will have belonged to them so she is just imagining they are still on it together.
Would Molly (if she is Monique) be so confident with men after her traumatic past?
It does seem v weird and convenient that he just happened to sit down by Monique and I do get the impression that she is an important part of the plot.
Maybe Tony and her have met for no strings action in the past and they always greet as if they are strangers...?
I'm sorry but it would take either a low IQ or missed episodes to be confused by this plot.
How very rude!>:(
Not everyone has the luxury of an uninterrupted hours' viewing. It is a complex plot with different time periods, and often short sequences. Easy to miss a couple of scenes if the phone goes, the baby wakes up, the cat is sick on the carpet, etc,etc., Because there are so many twists and turns, a couple of scenes missed leads to confusion
Well I think this series is absolutely fantastic ... the most gripping, involving drama I've seen in a good while. And I'm by no means the most intelligent or perceptive of people but I have no problems following the timelines and knowing who is/was who (but like someone else has also commented I was also a big fan of Lost that used to jump around all over the place so I'm used to trying to keep track of multiple timelines).
I don't agree that the twist was a cheat - isn't that the whole point of a twist? To make you think one thing and then turn your perceptions on their head? I love a good twist, me. I like to be kept guessing and after the reveal at the end of last week that Garrett had gone missing about 8 years before, I think many of us probably thought 'OK, so Tony could quite possibly have killed him since he knows that Garrett knows Bourg.' But then we're shown Garrett 'alive' in present day early on in this episode, so we stop thinking that Tony must have killed Garrett until the end and 'Boom!' - that shocking ending. That was the point of the twist ... to wrong foot the viewer to make the killing be more unexpected.
And also, I like how the crime of Ollie's abduction has touched other's lives in some way, including Mrs Garrett with her mental breakdown.
What I'm still dying to know:
What did the French detective take from the drain during a search in 2006 that was observed by Karl Sieg (?)
Why did the French detective end up in prison?
How did Baptiste hurt his leg ... is that ever going to be revealed, lol?
What does Tony do for a living? We have mooted that his job may have connections with Ollie's abduction, and when the artist asks 'What do you do?' I think it was too pointed that he goes to answer ... but then doesn't. It could of course just be because he now no longer has a career and his life's work is finding his son ... but I'm still curious.
Is Mark shady? And if so, how?
I don't think that the female artist is Molly - I think that's too far-fetched (though I could be wrong). I think the photos/paintings of children in her apartment were just an extra layering of the theme of children taken/abused.
The artist could be a plant by the journalist though.
I also don't think (as has been mooted here) that James and Ollie were swapped at some point. I know they look alike, but isn't that just to highlight Emma's grief and why she loves him so much .... in him she sees what she's missed out on over the years with her own child.
Perhaps we are incorrect to assume that Bourg is having hormone injections to suppress his paedophile tendencies ? Maybe he had a sex change and is actually Molly
I wouldn't be surprised if monique turned out to be Molly, something about the paintings and the haunting looks of the children reminded me of the pic ian had painted of Molly.
Looking forward to next week still don't trust mark one bit
That's a very good point, was wondering where she'd fit into all this
I wouldn't be surprised if monique turned out to be Molly, something about the paintings and the haunting looks of the children reminded me of the pic ian had painted of Molly.
Looking forward to next week still don't trust mark one bit
Did i get it wrong, Tony watches the video and he says you abused Molly. then tells him he is also a killer. Tony has only seen this video, so if he knows Garrett is a killer then he must have seen him killing Molly on the video.
Well I think this series is absolutely fantastic ... the most gripping, involving drama I've seen in a good while. And I'm by no means the most intelligent or perceptive of people but I have no problems following the timelines and knowing who is/was who (but like someone else has also commented I was also a big fan of Lost that used to jump around all over the place so I'm used to trying to keep track of multiple timelines).
I don't agree that the twist was a cheat - isn't that the whole point of a twist? To make you think one thing and then turn your perceptions on their head? I love a good twist, me. I like to be kept guessing and after the reveal at the end of last week that Garrett had gone missing about 8 years before, I think many of us probably thought 'OK, so Tony could quite possibly have killed him since he knows that Garrett knows Bourg.' But then we're shown Garrett 'alive' in present day early on in this episode, so we stop thinking that Tony must have killed Garrett until the end and 'Boom!' - that shocking ending. That was the point of the twist ... to wrong foot the viewer to make the killing be more unexpected.
And also, I like how the crime of Ollie's abduction has touched other's lives in some way, including Mrs Garrett with her mental breakdown.
What I'm still dying to know:
What did the French detective take from the drain during a search in 2006 that was observed by Karl Sieg (?)
Why did the French detective end up in prison?
How did Baptiste hurt his leg ... is that ever going to be revealed, lol?
What does Tony do for a living? We have mooted that his job may have connections with Ollie's abduction, and when the artist asks 'What do you do?' I think it was too pointed that he goes to answer ... but then doesn't. It could of course just be because he now no longer has a career and his life's work is finding his son ... but I'm still curious.
Is Mark shady? And if so, how?
I don't think that the female artist is Molly - I think that's too far-fetched (though I could be wrong). I think the photos/paintings of children in her apartment were just an extra layering of the theme of children taken/abused.
The artist could be a plant by the journalist though.
I also don't think (as has been mooted here) that James and Ollie were swapped at some point. I know they look alike, but isn't that just to highlight Emma's grief and why she loves him so much .... in him she sees what she's missed out on over the years with her own child.
Good post, it was me that mentioned Lost! Amazing the number of people i run into that still don't understand the ending of that (and Life on Mars, Ashes to Ashes and Who Killed Laura Palmer in Twin Peaks) so there you go. They all seemed relatively simple to me but then i grew up watching Sci Fi, ghost stories so maybe my brain is just 'wired' differently in understanding unusual narrative structures.
It's always possible that they'll leave unanswered questions in something like this (for a second season perhaps) but i would hope most loose ends will be tied up - like Baptist hurting his leg.
Tony's job, I wondered whether him telling Monique his name in answer to that indicated that the case is so well known everybody already knows his profession. I mean everyone know the McCanns were/are Doctors don't they.
I do think Monique will be important - she's a plant in some way to get close to Tony. I don't think he is so unattractive that nobody would just chat him up but the way it happened (not in a bar or anything) seemed...odd.
Did i get it wrong, Tony watches the video and he says you abused Molly. then tells him he is also a killer. Tony has only seen this video, so if he knows Garrett is a killer then he must have seen him killing Molly on the video.
I thought he was aksing if it was Ollie on the video so i'd assumed it was a young boy (whose face you couldn't see) being abused and possibly killed. I'm guessing it was a 'snuff' (god what an awful term) movie.
I'd guess he was just voicing his theory that Ian has taken and killed Molly.
I find some people disrespectful and snobbish on here. Some people like myself have difficulty keeping up with certain things so why insult them?
I'm loving the series so far and tonight's episode was the best since the first one, but why did Garrett volunteer himself to help Tony with the risk of his secrets coming out? And has it been explained why the French police detective was in prison on the present day yet? Maybe he was blamed with Garrets murder
I thought he was aksing if it was Ollie on the video so i'd assumed it was a young boy (whose face you couldn't see) being abused and possibly killed. I'm guessing it was a 'snuff' (god what an awful term) movie.
I'd guess he was just voicing his theory that Ian has taken and killed Molly.
He was asking if it was Ollie at first then after watching a bit more of the video he realises it's Molly.
He saw Garrett raping her on the video as he calls him a rapist. then he calls him a murderer. think he must have killed Molly.
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Mark is always there at key times!
Sorry but that's just nonsense
There wasn't any gratuitous sex though, was there? They have a short conversation and then the next we see of them is him pulling his shirt on in her apartment. It's hinted at, not gratuitous.
Agreed. I'm actually disappointed they started adding in the time period as subtitles, no doubt to appease the complainers.
I agree Tony's dalliance with the artist did seem a little strange, but maybe more of this will be made in future episodes? Or maybe it was just a plot device to get him out of the cafe for an hour or so so that Baptiste could calm Rini down and get her to change her mind about leaving - which presumably he did, offscreen. If Tony had hung around, all agitated with her as he was, it was less likely Rini would have had a change of heart.
Wondering if she might be detective's daughter (Julien),
Maybe she was caught up in some way with the paedophile ring which led to her turning to drugs. Could also explain sad child paintings in her flat.
That's what i assumed. She is taken things from the real world into her dream world, that yacht will have belonged to them so she is just imagining they are still on it together.
It does seem v weird and convenient that he just happened to sit down by Monique and I do get the impression that she is an important part of the plot.
Maybe Tony and her have met for no strings action in the past and they always greet as if they are strangers...?
http://youtu.be/7MPjOZ_mpLY
Wondering if she might be detective's daughter (Baptiste),
Maybe she was caught up in some way with the paedophile ring which led to her turning to drugs. Could also explain sad child paintings in her flat.
One of my other thoughts on Monique too! She is def intriguing...
How very rude!>:(
Not everyone has the luxury of an uninterrupted hours' viewing. It is a complex plot with different time periods, and often short sequences. Easy to miss a couple of scenes if the phone goes, the baby wakes up, the cat is sick on the carpet, etc,etc., Because there are so many twists and turns, a couple of scenes missed leads to confusion
Agreed none at all. and Dynasty wasn't a sitcom
I don't agree that the twist was a cheat - isn't that the whole point of a twist? To make you think one thing and then turn your perceptions on their head? I love a good twist, me. I like to be kept guessing and after the reveal at the end of last week that Garrett had gone missing about 8 years before, I think many of us probably thought 'OK, so Tony could quite possibly have killed him since he knows that Garrett knows Bourg.' But then we're shown Garrett 'alive' in present day early on in this episode, so we stop thinking that Tony must have killed Garrett until the end and 'Boom!' - that shocking ending. That was the point of the twist ... to wrong foot the viewer to make the killing be more unexpected.
And also, I like how the crime of Ollie's abduction has touched other's lives in some way, including Mrs Garrett with her mental breakdown.
What I'm still dying to know:
What did the French detective take from the drain during a search in 2006 that was observed by Karl Sieg (?)
Why did the French detective end up in prison?
How did Baptiste hurt his leg ... is that ever going to be revealed, lol?
What does Tony do for a living? We have mooted that his job may have connections with Ollie's abduction, and when the artist asks 'What do you do?' I think it was too pointed that he goes to answer ... but then doesn't. It could of course just be because he now no longer has a career and his life's work is finding his son ... but I'm still curious.
Is Mark shady? And if so, how?
I don't think that the female artist is Molly - I think that's too far-fetched (though I could be wrong). I think the photos/paintings of children in her apartment were just an extra layering of the theme of children taken/abused.
The artist could be a plant by the journalist though.
I also don't think (as has been mooted here) that James and Ollie were swapped at some point. I know they look alike, but isn't that just to highlight Emma's grief and why she loves him so much .... in him she sees what she's missed out on over the years with her own child.
That's a very good point, was wondering where she'd fit into all this
Did i get it wrong, Tony watches the video and he says you abused Molly. then tells him he is also a killer. Tony has only seen this video, so if he knows Garrett is a killer then he must have seen him killing Molly on the video.
Good post, it was me that mentioned Lost! Amazing the number of people i run into that still don't understand the ending of that (and Life on Mars, Ashes to Ashes and Who Killed Laura Palmer in Twin Peaks) so there you go. They all seemed relatively simple to me but then i grew up watching Sci Fi, ghost stories so maybe my brain is just 'wired' differently in understanding unusual narrative structures.
It's always possible that they'll leave unanswered questions in something like this (for a second season perhaps) but i would hope most loose ends will be tied up - like Baptist hurting his leg.
Tony's job, I wondered whether him telling Monique his name in answer to that indicated that the case is so well known everybody already knows his profession. I mean everyone know the McCanns were/are Doctors don't they.
I do think Monique will be important - she's a plant in some way to get close to Tony. I don't think he is so unattractive that nobody would just chat him up but the way it happened (not in a bar or anything) seemed...odd.
I thought he was aksing if it was Ollie on the video so i'd assumed it was a young boy (whose face you couldn't see) being abused and possibly killed. I'm guessing it was a 'snuff' (god what an awful term) movie.
I'd guess he was just voicing his theory that Ian has taken and killed Molly.
I'm loving the series so far and tonight's episode was the best since the first one, but why did Garrett volunteer himself to help Tony with the risk of his secrets coming out? And has it been explained why the French police detective was in prison on the present day yet? Maybe he was blamed with Garrets murder
He saw Garrett raping her on the video as he calls him a rapist. then he calls him a murderer. think he must have killed Molly.