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Why is the Anglican church allowed to get away with blatant sex discrimination?
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They have voted against allowing women bishops
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2235906/Church-England-rejects-new-law-allow-women-bishops.html
Not allowing women to apply for these posts is a clear breach of sex discrimination rules. In normal companies you do not have votes amongst your supporters to decide if women can apply to senior posts - you simply follow the law and appoint the best candidate to the job.
Why is religion allowed to get away with breaking laws that normal companies would be hauled up in front of a judge over?
The sad thing is that the large majority of new vicars coming into the church are women, not men. How must they be feeling tonight?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2235906/Church-England-rejects-new-law-allow-women-bishops.html
Not allowing women to apply for these posts is a clear breach of sex discrimination rules. In normal companies you do not have votes amongst your supporters to decide if women can apply to senior posts - you simply follow the law and appoint the best candidate to the job.
Why is religion allowed to get away with breaking laws that normal companies would be hauled up in front of a judge over?
The sad thing is that the large majority of new vicars coming into the church are women, not men. How must they be feeling tonight?
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Many will feel betrayed I expect.
I mean I can kind of understand Catholics saying "no" because I was led to beleive all priests must be men as they are true representative of Christ, who was a man.
Is this what is behind the Anglicans decision?
But the Bible was written by men in a time when women had no rights, so how do we know Jesus wouldn't like women Priests and Bishops or heaven forbid a female Pope.
I guess so. Apparently they can't reconcile women bishops with 'scripture'.
Earlier, Rowan Williams said he "wanted the world to look at the Church today and say: “That looks like Jesus Christ.""
Oops.
I know I shouldn't but I do find all of this highly amusing.
The stupid thing is that although I am not religious, I have been to church ceremonies hosted by women vicars (eg weddings, funerals), and on the whole they seem a lot better than their male counterparts!
My grandparents are pretty traditional when it comes to religion and weren't that happy when a woman vicar moved to their diocese. But now they think she is great and are more than happy to see women bishops.
Horrible. Im c of e.
There was an excellent tv series recently about women in the bible. In the first and second centuries women preachers were equal with men but became sidelined.
Even a vatican scholar (male, catholic) expressed his dismay at the way they/we have been relegated since then.
I saw some traitor woman on tv yesterday saying the head of the family, at home or in the church family, should be a man. I doubt that most anglicans agree but the church is currently comprised of voters who are mainly older men. You can skew the bible to defend anything you like- slavery, killing etc, but the actual teachings of christ are love, tolerance, forgiveness and helping others. This crap is NOT his ethos!
Desperatly sad and pushes people away. Christianity should be about inclusivity not this bollocks discrimination.
Obviously vaginas render us 'less'?
I'm no expert but I think "Jesus" would find that insulting.
Lets hold the church accountable to the laws of our land (discrimination) and be done with it Otherwise they might as well all settle on a distant island and practice whatever archaic nonsense they see fit, outside of the laws of our country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan
it's all very backwards - that's me putting it mildly
I am very unsurprised that women aren't allowed to be bishops though
the traditionalists are at fault again
The simple truth is that the CofE is exempt from most aspects of employment and anti-discrimination law. Priests aren't employed in the normal sense as, in theory, they report to Him Upstairs.
Equally, as a Atheist, I couldn't apply for a job in the Church and then sue them for discrimination when I am refused.
Of course, the irony is that the Supreme Governor of the Church of England is a woman and that compared to other religions the CofE is a model of modernity.
I don't think a religion can shape itself around modern ideas completely.
Maybe all religion should eradicate all the non PC and dangerous cr*p it carries...... but maybe that would undermine it too much?
Some Christians say "What would Jesus do"
But Christianity seems to be based on "What would Saint Paul say"
If a person truly believes in their heart, the teachings of Christ, nothing should prevent them from being able to spread the good news.
I think it is more of a case of "a job for the boys" and the boys do not want that threatening.
I really do not understand how they can now maintain their position as the established Church of this country while they cannot reflect the standards of equality expected of and mostly practised by the rest of us.
They should be providing moral leadership not examples of discriminatory practice.
The trouble is that the C of E can't find a way of accommodating both views as they are mutually exclusive. And thats why the legislation failed. The clergy and bishops were in favour, the laity against. It needs a 75% majority in each group to pass ....... a bit like police commissioners.
Thats democracy for you - rubbish, isn't it.
I might be really wrong here but were a lot not moving to the Catholic church because they thought Anglican was becoming too soft and equal?
The minority against the change don't see it as discrimination any more than a womans inability to inseminate is discrimination. Its just a "given" as far as they are concerned. And something the church has no power to change.
Of course some feminist anglicans are against women joining a paternalistic power structure on principle that there should be different models of leadership/service in the church. Others are happy to ascend the greasy pole and wouldn't at all see it as career promotion or craven ambition
Yes, but as I understand it the parishioners, the ground troops of the Anglican church, were heavily in favour of women bishops. It seems their vote counted for nothing.
Of course, the Bible is also clear that slavery is fine (several passages), gays are evil (Romans 1:26-27), and that a raped woman should be forced to marry her rapist (Deuteronomy 22:28-29).
This just proves further that religion is irrelevant in the 21st century.