Miliband- EU referendum is wrong
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/10050367/Ed-Miliband-says-an-EU-referendum-is-wrong.html
Will this convince the working class northern voters to go to UKIP and will it damage him?
Will this convince the working class northern voters to go to UKIP and will it damage him?
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Not sure if he's crazy or courageous. He won't be getting my vote (as I do want a referendum) but I admire his stance on this.
Business for Britain does not- over 500 executive from big and small companies want big reforms of we should leave:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-21/u-k-must-negotiate-for-better-deal-with-eu-business-lobby-says.html
No they want to stay but want better deals for the UK. They don't want out because they know its of more benefit to stay.
Just like Cameron. Cameron doesn't want to leave as he knows it will be a disaster to do so. He is only playing this game because he is scared of his backbenchers replacing him if he doesn't.
All this is for himself and his own party politics. Not for the UK. Don't kid yourself otherwise.
At least Miliband is offering a different view. Not everyone wants to leave. There has to be a representation to stay from one party and it looks like Labour will be it.
Perhaps this will actually help UKIP when the average voter sees that yet again his/her view is of no interest to New/Old/revamped Labour or whatever it calls itself these days.
Whatever your view is in a so-called democracy we are supposed to have a say. At least in theory!
That EU isn't available though. It's basically Hobson's choice: Federal Europe, with the full political and fiscal union that entails, or the exit door. No EU a la carte is on offer. Dithering isn't going to change that.
The Euro will end very soon. Germany will be left with no choice. After that Europe will change.
The UK will lead the way on changes if Cameron is only given the time to do so. Instead his hand is being forced because backbenchers are running scared of a minority party that will be lucky to even win one seat in a general election.
This has happened so many times in different situations with these stupid tories going on self distruct. They just cannot hold their nerve.
So now we know how Labour will next Wednesay.:rolleyes:
Miliband's cunning plan is to be against anything that Cameron is for. It's bound to win the hearts and minds of the voters. It's not quite working at the moment but I feel confident that in due course he will triumph.
The Labour leader is seen weaker, less charismatic and worse in a crisis than David Cameron, as pollsters warn he will have to ‘defy history’ to take power after just one term in opposition.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2322557/Nice-dim-Voters-damning-verdict-Ed-Miliband.html#ixzz2SyudDZZe
You sound very sure, how do you see it "ending"?
As soon as the next big crisis happens. That's when it will start to unravel. Bailing out Greece was the final straw for Germany. They cannot do it again.
Spain will create problems again very soon.
It's a very cunning plan!
within a year no country can function for long with the unemployment levels spain, italt and greece have and spain is very large the EU cannot afford to keep bailing it out even if its wants to, they could support Greece for a while because it is small not spain or italy
it may be cunning to get elected against an extremely unpopular government but it won't keep him in power for long
Do you mean make money out of the UK and who are able to pay their taxes in Luxembourg.
See this is the sort of scaremongering that is creating fear among those who aren't able to see the bigger picture.
All this UKIP are now a real force. They did well in local elections. They haven't managed to have any success at a general election level and there is no indication that they will. For a start they now have to prove themselves as being good at the day to day running of local councils that they are in control of. If they can't do this then they won't have any MP sitting in westminister. They may surprise and prove to be capable but something tells me they won't. The policies are so far right. That won't work long term in a Country like the UK.
So any idea UKIP and the Tories will form a coalition are so deluded I can't even imagine why people are falling for it.
Also the Daily Mail running a negative article on Miliband. :eek: :rolleyes: That's like The Mirror running a piece on how much of a pussy Cameron is. The day people start to believe that sort of press is the day this country is ****ed.
Anyway Miliband should tell all his MPs to back this notion. Cameron doesn't want it (and most of all knows its not going to happen) so it getting backing would pull the rug firmly from his feet and knock him off focus. That's how you play politics.
Why is he so scared of asking the people what they think via a referendum.
You need 50% of the vote to win a referendum - but only 35% to get a Labour govt (possibly as low as 30% if UKIP poll well).
PS In most polls the majority of voters want to leave the EU - its not just UKIP voters. From John Redwood on the right to the RMT general secretary on the left - what exactly are the benefits for the UK (as opposed to the obvious ones for say eastern european member states).
the general election was 3 years ago politics has massively changed and the EU and immigration are dominant political issues and as the EU situation gets worse and more immigrants come ukip will get more and more votes
UKIP will not win votes purely on immigrants. How stupid do you think people are.
Who in a UKIP government for example would be chancellor of the exchequer??
They haven't proved themselves at council level yet so don't get too carried away with them winning seats in a GE. They have a lot more to prove than just being tough on Europe.
according to the BBC they won all their local election seats as a protest vote
Well there you go. The mid term protest votes the Lib Dems usually benefit from, benefited UKIP.
Mid terms are totally different to general elections.
The liberal elite London based lefties as the BBC just find it hard to believe that people might actually agree with many of UKIP's policies. They spend a bit too much time in their Notting Hill and Islington little bubble I am afraid.
I disagree it was a protest I think people have had enough of the EU and immigration and think they will vote UKIP from now on. What are people going to say when UKIP win the EU elections that is not mid term, its not a by election its a proper election to be represented internationally at the EU, the excuses will run out when UKIP win