These shadowy organisations cant be all that good on their secret identities, as theres lots of random people all across the internet who know all about them and their plans. So much for shadowy.
and also WTC7 which collapsed on it's own. No plane hit it. Just an empty building.
And theres where youre wrong. It was hit by an enormous section of one of the towers and had an huge hole gouged out of one side of it. There were a few videos posted in one of the 9/11 threads, a newscopter shot of the gouge, footage of the steel structure of one of the towers landing on it and also footage of the firemen talking about wtc7 leaning. Its all out there if you want to look for it.
These shadowy organisations cant be all that good on their secret identities, as theres lots of random people all across the internet who know all about them and their plans. So much for shadowy.
It just shows you how powerful the internet really is. People only care about emails and porn and chatting on forums like this, not that i have anything against it because i like it too. They don't care if people know about them or not. People that read up on this stuff are in the minority, the majority are listening to music, buying the latest brand names and ironing their workshirts for tomorrow. As long as the majority are occupied with whatever it is they do then it wont ever matter, nothing will change and yeah lol, guess what.........it's the person buying the latest fashion items, the Mum ironing her blouse for work and the guy rushing out to buy the latest Rihanna CD that will come on here and tell me im nuts.
I'm not nuts. But i'm pretty sure i enjoy my life an awful lot more than they do.
As far as people turning into reptiles goes...well i'm not so sure. The world doesn't work the way you think it works. Governments aren't there to help you. Your Royal Family isn't there to help you. The banks aren't there to help you. Your employer isn't there to help you. No one is going out of their way to benefit your life. Is it really so hard to believe that there are people in this world really pulling the strings? Of course not. I don't like our Prime Ministers just now but is it hard for me to accept that maybe their being told what to do by other people? That the people that run this world, the banks, the media, the pharmaceutical comapanies....is it really hard for me to believe that their guiding these policitians along? Of course not. I don't like David Cameron but i don't believe for a second he and Nick Clegg really truly run this country. If that was the case there would be no problems with the world. You would have all these big hearted policiticians.......who have the power since their you know....running the country, to change things. Most of the time things don't change. They don't get better.
What a weird post First of all, that doesn't address the reptiles thing. Second of all, of course the government don't want to help everyone. They want to appear like they're helping the people they know will vote for them. What would be the benefit of them helping everyone?!
It just shows you how powerful the internet really is. People only care about emails and porn and chatting on forums like this, not that i have anything against it because i like it too. They don't care if people know about them or not. People that read up on this stuff are in the minority, the majority are listening to music, buying the latest brand names and ironing their workshirts for tomorrow. As long as the majority are occupied with whatever it is they do then it wont ever matter, nothing will change and yeah lol, guess what.........it's the person buying the latest fashion items, the Mum ironing her blouse for work and the guy rushing out to buy the latest Rihanna CD that will come on here and tell me im nuts.
I'm not nuts. But i'm pretty sure i enjoy my life an awful lot more than they do.
Is this the old chestnut that the "average" person is so wrapped up in their "average" lives that they don't have the wit or inclination to find out about the world about them?
i think you'll find that to be incorrect. Of course there are people like that. But don't kid yourself there are JUST people like that and people who believe the moon landings were faked.
Conspiracy nuts are just another group, all saying and doing the same thing. Sheep too, just in another flock.
I don't mind contemplating the odd conspiracy by the way, if there is any merit to it. Its just to these people every sodding "big" world event is down to a conspiracy of some sort of other. Which is paranoid rubbish.
Most people really are wrapped up in their own lives. They couldn't care less about anyone else or what anyone else is doing. That is a fact. I'm not saying anything bad about them but more often than not that is the case. Conspiracy theorists can believe many different things. I don't think the moon landings were faked nor do i believe that humans can turn into reptiles but i do believe other things but because i believe in other things you automatically think i believe everything else as well. That isn't fair either.
The worst one I saw was where it was claimed Huntley was innocent, and that he was set up to get the Americans off the hook (the Americans are always the villains). There was a detailed website, which people believed, but everything written was total rubbish.
Most people really are wrapped up in their own lives. They couldn't care less about anyone else or what anyone else is doing. That is a fact. I'm not saying anything bad about them but more often than not that is the case. Conspiracy theorists can believe many different things. I don't think the moon landings were faked nor do i believe that humans can turn into reptiles but i do believe other things but because i believe in other things you automatically think i believe everything else as well. That isn't fair either.
Who are these "Most People" though. Its rather patronising. Tired of the implication by some conspiracy believers, who seem to see themselves as intellectually superior to "the sheeple".
All rubbish. Not saying you in particular. Just in general you come across it a lot. With phrases like "they're not willing to open their minds" etc.
I'm sure at least some of the people who come up with these CTs know they're utter crap, then sit there giggling at how gullible the people are who swallow them and take them seriously.
I don't think a lot of CTs even know where a lot of their "theories" originate. The Planet X/Niburu thing going around now actually started from someone who ran a website claiming to recieve messages from aliens via a brain implant- I imagine most of the people who spout this nonsense are unaware of that, but it makes an already implausible theory even harder to take seriously.
Most people really are wrapped up in their own lives. They couldn't care less about anyone else or what anyone else is doing. That is a fact. I'm not saying anything bad about them but more often than not that is the case. Conspiracy theorists can believe many different things. I don't think the moon landings were faked nor do i believe that humans can turn into reptiles but i do believe other things but because i believe in other things you automatically think i believe everything else as well. That isn't fair either.
I feel sorry for the people that don't have lives and need to fill the void with wild conspiracy to try and make themselves feel important.
I feel sorry for the people that don't have lives and need to fill the void with wild conspiracy to try and make themselves feel important.
I'm sure you do whip, your in plenty of threads with nothing of any real importance to say. I don't think i've ever seen you say anything positive at all but if that makes you feel important then cool. At least i try and get people to have a conversation and actually talk about something.
There's nothing wrong with me saying 'most people' either. Maybe the word 'majority' would be a better fit and that is also a fact. It is the majority of people who are insulting and refuse to listen or believe anything other than what they have been taught. That's not me being condescending to anyone, that's a cold hard fact.
Where most CTs fall down for me is the number of people who would need to keep very quiet about what they know when we all know that is the hardest thing for human beings to do. It must be even harder now that there is the internet and 24/7 rolling news yet still the hundreds involved never say a word - it is only ever someone with an Angelfire or Tripod home page who really knows the truth and thinks those who laugh at them are the foolish ones.
It must be quite comforting for people to know they are so clever that they hold the key to the truth and know how foolish the unbelievers are.
I'm sure you do whip, your in plenty of threads with nothing of any real importance to say. I don't think i've ever seen you say anything positive at all but if that makes you feel important then cool. At least i try and get people to have a conversation and actually talk about something.
There's nothing wrong with me saying 'most people' either. Maybe the word 'majority' would be a better fit and that is also a fact. It is the majority of people who are insulting and refuse to listen or believe anything other than what they have been taught. That's not me being condescending to anyone, that's a cold hard fact.
By not positive you mean I don't agree with you, I'm sorry that people have to believe in the ridiculous to make themselves feel better it is in no way negative just reality.
I was in a bar the other week and the two people sitting behind us were talking amongst themselves about a possible Aids/HIV Conspiracy. That it was a man made disease produced to stop the numbers of homosexuals and african people "growing"
A risky subject to talk about in a busy North London Pub.
By not positive you mean I don't agree with you, I'm sorry that people have to believe in the ridiculous to make themselves feel better it is in no way negative just reality.
Whip you don't need to tell me you don't agree with me, i already know you don't! Most of the forum knows you don't agree with them. I certainly don't need to make myself feel better about anything. Just looking in the mirror each day, enjoying my day and spending time with beautfiul women and beautiful people is enough to keep a smile on my face.
I actually laugh when i see your name next to a post because i know 9 times out of 10 what your gonna say lol. But that's one reason why i like online forums, they can be fun. A thread like this is exactly the kind of thread you would be in, the kind of thread where you really can't add anything to the discussion but must reply to anyway lol. It is funny.
I actually laugh when i see your name next to a post because i know 9 times out of 10 what your gonna say lol.
As I know when I see your name there will be a wall of text full of insubstantial tat with no basis in logic. I'm sorry that you take my disagreeing with you so personal but forums are designed for debate.
Where most CTs fall down for me is the number of people who would need to keep very quiet about what they know when we all know that is the hardest thing for human beings to do. It must be even harder now that there is the internet and 24/7 rolling news yet still the hundreds involved never say a word - it is only ever someone with an Angelfire or Tripod home page who really knows the truth and thinks those who laugh at them are the foolish ones.
It must be quite comforting for people to know they are so clever that they hold the key to the truth and know how foolish the unbelievers are.
This I totally agree with. The way I look at CT's is that if the number of people required to pull off the conspiracy is larger than the number of people to whom the event is attributed, then I pretty much think that the CTer's are wrong.
Is it easier to believe that hundreds of people have kept quiet about rigging the WTC buildings to collapse, or that 20 extremists captured 4 planes? CIA or a lone gunman shooting Kennedy ? Drunk driver or Prince Philip/scary cabal etc killing Princess Diana?
This I totally agree with. The way I look at CT's is that if the number of people required to pull off the conspiracy is larger than the number of people to whom the event is attributed, then I pretty much think that the CTer's are wrong.
Is it easier to believe that hundreds of people have kept quiet about rigging the WTC buildings to collapse, or that 20 extremists captured 4 planes? CIA or a lone gunman shooting Kennedy ? Drunk driver or Prince Philip/scary cabal etc killing Princess Diana?
For 9/11 it would of taken a thousand plus, I cannot believe the world is that sick that not one of these people would of come forward with truth.
False flag terrorist acts are committed by governments, for instance the Gulf of Tonkin incident that America used as an excuse to go into Vietnam definitely did not happen for example. it was a lie.
As for 9/11?, hmmmmm I've seen various theories, building seven was still standing for another 20 minutes after the BBC announced its collapse which is very strange, I don't believe the Bush administration was complicit in 9/11 just incomptent.
It makes me laugh when people say conspiracies coldn't happen because so many people are involved they could never keep it secret. The Manhattan project to build the bomb during world war in America was worked on for years by a total of over forty thousand different people and no one knew anything about until the first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. Governments can and do keep massive secrets.
And theres where youre wrong. It was hit by an enormous section of one of the towers and had an huge hole gouged out of one side of it. There were a few videos posted in one of the 9/11 threads, a newscopter shot of the gouge, footage of the steel structure of one of the towers landing on it and also footage of the firemen talking about wtc7 leaning. Its all out there if you want to look for it.
And there's where you're wrong.
The official government report called this 'minimal damage'. It claimed WTC7 collapsed 'primarily due to fire', describing it as 'a completely new type of collapse'.
Of course, the ultimate conspiracy theory is the one about us being created by a spirit. Who rains disease, destruction, death and other things beginning with d upon us... Presumably because we are so important, and he loves us.
People dedicate their lives to that one. Go figure.
The official government report called this 'minimal damage'. It claimed WTC7 collapsed 'primarily due to fire', describing it as 'a completely new type of collapse'.
Of course, the ultimate conspiracy theory is the one about us being created by a spirit. Who rains disease, destruction, death and other things beginning with d upon us... Presumably because we are so important, and he loves us.
People dedicate their lives to that one. Go figure.
Yep your right. It caused some suicidal terrorists to fly some planes into the world trade centres on 9/11 killing 3000+ people. Religion makes you do funny things ........
no - it's not strange that aliens are similar to us
they have to have an endo skelton.
they have to be bipedal, so their upper limbs are avaiable for manipulation (although maybe they could have 6 limbs, or a prehensile tail)
they cannot be too big, or their frame/muscualture could not support themselves
they need a lung system to exchange oxygen/C02
they need to be carbon based
they need forward facing eyes, for stereo-scopic vision
maybe they can have other senses - bat-senses
they probably reproduce in a diploid manner
personally, i think any developed sentient alien would be pretty well humanoid/anthropoid
I don't know much about biology but surely there are living creatures on Earth that don't conform to your list?
Why do you assume that a living , sentient creature would have to follow a homosapien blueprint?
I'm not sure of the form they would take on but I doubt they are white and blonde and our height as one site cllaimed , or three foot high and grey as I read on another forum.
Maybe i'm wrong..
Look at how many countries are living in poverty. Have all the musical concerts you want, donate all you want but it ain't gonna make a difference. Their always gonna be poor and the reason for it is someone somewhere wants it like that. Those countries are NEVER gonna be better off, not because they can't because they can, they certainly can but because there are people in the world that don't want them to be better off. They want them to stay poor. There's no reason why they can't have acceptable living conditions, clean water, education, medical care, jobs, a great economy. Certainly in 20+ years of donating we should have helped that happen. It doesn't happen because there are people that don't want it to happen. Anyone who sits and thinks about it. Turns the TV off, steps away from the computer and sits and has a really good think about things can see that is the case.
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think you overlook greed , geography and war in your explanation . Surely they are more likely causes of continued poverty rather than government conspiracies? You don't actually solve poverty with money alone as far as i'm concerned , it's more complicated than that.
Parts of India are very poor with people living on less than $2 per day yet in other parts of India some people live like kings such as business people , actors , singer and so on.
Why the discrepancy if it's a huge conspiracy to keep WHOLE countries poor?
I hope I don't sound patronising as i've thought about this a lot but most extreme conspiracy theorists (not those who can see that JFK case is as dodgy as month old fish) come across as lost souls or damaged in some way.
Maybe one day i'll sit here with my jaw on the floor after finding out aliens have contacted us , 9/11 was set up by bush , the queen is really a LIZard (see what I did there?!) and the holocaust didn't happen but for now...there's just not enough evidence and the films i've seen that cite "proof" are laughable or conveniently leave out hard facts.
Yep your right. It caused some suicidal terrorists to fly some planes into the world trade centres on 9/11 killing 3000+ people. Religion makes you do funny things ........
:D
Mad isn't it.
It gets even more sinister when you consider how the CIA convinced musilims to fight the Soviets in a 'holy war' in Afghanistan.
Considering the training and funding they provided, anyone would think the CIA invented the whole concept of a modern jihad.
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Funniest website ever. There are two 'characters' on this totally serious site:
1) Everything is absolute proof of the respective theory/subject
2) Everything is fake, and the poster is a government disinformation agent
And theres where youre wrong. It was hit by an enormous section of one of the towers and had an huge hole gouged out of one side of it. There were a few videos posted in one of the 9/11 threads, a newscopter shot of the gouge, footage of the steel structure of one of the towers landing on it and also footage of the firemen talking about wtc7 leaning. Its all out there if you want to look for it.
It just shows you how powerful the internet really is. People only care about emails and porn and chatting on forums like this, not that i have anything against it because i like it too. They don't care if people know about them or not. People that read up on this stuff are in the minority, the majority are listening to music, buying the latest brand names and ironing their workshirts for tomorrow. As long as the majority are occupied with whatever it is they do then it wont ever matter, nothing will change and yeah lol, guess what.........it's the person buying the latest fashion items, the Mum ironing her blouse for work and the guy rushing out to buy the latest Rihanna CD that will come on here and tell me im nuts.
I'm not nuts. But i'm pretty sure i enjoy my life an awful lot more than they do.
What a weird post
Is this the old chestnut that the "average" person is so wrapped up in their "average" lives that they don't have the wit or inclination to find out about the world about them?
i think you'll find that to be incorrect. Of course there are people like that. But don't kid yourself there are JUST people like that and people who believe the moon landings were faked.
Conspiracy nuts are just another group, all saying and doing the same thing. Sheep too, just in another flock.
I don't mind contemplating the odd conspiracy by the way, if there is any merit to it. Its just to these people every sodding "big" world event is down to a conspiracy of some sort of other. Which is paranoid rubbish.
Who are these "Most People" though. Its rather patronising. Tired of the implication by some conspiracy believers, who seem to see themselves as intellectually superior to "the sheeple".
All rubbish. Not saying you in particular. Just in general you come across it a lot. With phrases like "they're not willing to open their minds" etc.
I don't think a lot of CTs even know where a lot of their "theories" originate. The Planet X/Niburu thing going around now actually started from someone who ran a website claiming to recieve messages from aliens via a brain implant- I imagine most of the people who spout this nonsense are unaware of that, but it makes an already implausible theory even harder to take seriously.
I feel sorry for the people that don't have lives and need to fill the void with wild conspiracy to try and make themselves feel important.
I'm sure you do whip, your in plenty of threads with nothing of any real importance to say. I don't think i've ever seen you say anything positive at all but if that makes you feel important then cool. At least i try and get people to have a conversation and actually talk about something.
There's nothing wrong with me saying 'most people' either. Maybe the word 'majority' would be a better fit and that is also a fact. It is the majority of people who are insulting and refuse to listen or believe anything other than what they have been taught. That's not me being condescending to anyone, that's a cold hard fact.
It must be quite comforting for people to know they are so clever that they hold the key to the truth and know how foolish the unbelievers are.
By not positive you mean I don't agree with you, I'm sorry that people have to believe in the ridiculous to make themselves feel better it is in no way negative just reality.
A risky subject to talk about in a busy North London Pub.
After about ten minutes we left.
Whip you don't need to tell me you don't agree with me, i already know you don't! Most of the forum knows you don't agree with them. I certainly don't need to make myself feel better about anything. Just looking in the mirror each day, enjoying my day and spending time with beautfiul women and beautiful people is enough to keep a smile on my face.
I actually laugh when i see your name next to a post because i know 9 times out of 10 what your gonna say lol. But that's one reason why i like online forums, they can be fun. A thread like this is exactly the kind of thread you would be in, the kind of thread where you really can't add anything to the discussion but must reply to anyway lol. It is funny.
As I know when I see your name there will be a wall of text full of insubstantial tat with no basis in logic. I'm sorry that you take my disagreeing with you so personal but forums are designed for debate.
This I totally agree with. The way I look at CT's is that if the number of people required to pull off the conspiracy is larger than the number of people to whom the event is attributed, then I pretty much think that the CTer's are wrong.
Is it easier to believe that hundreds of people have kept quiet about rigging the WTC buildings to collapse, or that 20 extremists captured 4 planes? CIA or a lone gunman shooting Kennedy ? Drunk driver or Prince Philip/scary cabal etc killing Princess Diana?
For 9/11 it would of taken a thousand plus, I cannot believe the world is that sick that not one of these people would of come forward with truth.
As for 9/11?, hmmmmm I've seen various theories, building seven was still standing for another 20 minutes after the BBC announced its collapse which is very strange, I don't believe the Bush administration was complicit in 9/11 just incomptent.
It makes me laugh when people say conspiracies coldn't happen because so many people are involved they could never keep it secret. The Manhattan project to build the bomb during world war in America was worked on for years by a total of over forty thousand different people and no one knew anything about until the first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. Governments can and do keep massive secrets.
And there's where you're wrong.
The official government report called this 'minimal damage'. It claimed WTC7 collapsed 'primarily due to fire', describing it as 'a completely new type of collapse'.
Of course, the ultimate conspiracy theory is the one about us being created by a spirit. Who rains disease, destruction, death and other things beginning with d upon us... Presumably because we are so important, and he loves us.
People dedicate their lives to that one. Go figure.
I guess he can spend more time with his beautiful women and beautiful people. There's a silver lining to anything I suppose
Yep your right. It caused some suicidal terrorists to fly some planes into the world trade centres on 9/11 killing 3000+ people. Religion makes you do funny things ........
I don't know much about biology but surely there are living creatures on Earth that don't conform to your list
Why do you assume that a living , sentient creature would have to follow a homosapien blueprint?
I'm not sure of the form they would take on but I doubt they are white and blonde and our height as one site cllaimed , or three foot high and grey as I read on another forum.
Maybe i'm wrong..
I
think you overlook greed , geography and war in your explanation . Surely they are more likely causes of continued poverty rather than government conspiracies? You don't actually solve poverty with money alone as far as i'm concerned , it's more complicated than that.
Parts of India are very poor with people living on less than $2 per day yet in other parts of India some people live like kings such as business people , actors , singer and so on.
Why the discrepancy if it's a huge conspiracy to keep WHOLE countries poor?
I hope I don't sound patronising as i've thought about this a lot but most extreme conspiracy theorists (not those who can see that JFK case is as dodgy as month old fish) come across as lost souls or damaged in some way.
Maybe one day i'll sit here with my jaw on the floor after finding out aliens have contacted us , 9/11 was set up by bush , the queen is really a LIZard (see what I did there?!) and the holocaust didn't happen but for now...there's just not enough evidence and the films i've seen that cite "proof" are laughable or conveniently leave out hard facts.
Mad isn't it.
It gets even more sinister when you consider how the CIA convinced musilims to fight the Soviets in a 'holy war' in Afghanistan.
Considering the training and funding they provided, anyone would think the CIA invented the whole concept of a modern jihad.
Oh.