She has not got sympathy for Dean, she was just trying to get him to face up to his actions and take responsibility. It is the only way she can move forward and get some closure. It would take a great deal of courage to do that and so she deserves every sympathy. Even though she is the victim she is handling it a lot better Than Mick who really is the one who has gone to pieces.
I think the last 2 eps have shown how horrible he is tbf. However it has shown how important it is to report rape immediately.
Agreed.
Every time I see Dean's smug face with his doting (ha!) parents on either side I want to slap all three of them daft.
What happened to the dress and knickers that Linda was wearing when he raped her? I remember them pushed into the back of the wardrobe, did she get rid or are they still there? I know they won't help her case now as it could still be seen as consensual was just wondering.
I'm a Matt Di Angelo fan but even I find this thread distasteful (and that's a mild choice of words!)
Linda is a VICTIM and is trying to muddle through her feelings and the grief of losing a family member, losing her rape case & watching her family implode. She's TRYING to find some peace with what happened to her. Why shouldn't she seek a confession from her attacker??
Honestly this thread is s sick joke!
Again, well said.
Amazing how people (well the OP and four others according the poll so far) can turn on the VICTIM. Thankfully many more still have sympathy, don't know how you couldn't TBH.
She needs some form of (god i hate this word) closure and since she won't get it from the courts, getting it from Dean himself is her only option. She knew he would never admit anything with witnesses there.
I hate that word too but it is totally appropriate in this case. Linda needs to hear him say it, it's about the only things she's got left now the CPS aren't prosecuting.
- Turns up at the home of her rapist after he's been let off for her rape. That looks good.
- Insists to be left alone with her rapist.
- Having sympathy for him and empathising with him.
Mick cares more than she does. Do you still care about Linda?
Why would these things make you lose sympathy for a rape victim The bib is particularly disturbing because it could be read that the rape is undermined in some way by Linda
No, I still have sympathy but this story needs putting to bed. I really thought EE screwed up when Little Mo got raped in the Vic but that was nothing compared to how contrived and repetitive this story has been.
This thread doesn't even make any sense, why would any of those things you listed make you lose sympathy for a victim of rape I know it may be fashionable to berate the Carter's now, but at least try and make it logical when you do so...
I agree with what you say but why be so annoyed with what I wished. that was just my opinion..
I never said I was annoyed.
People keep saying theyre looking forward to Dean leaving but a quick peek at Matt's Twitter will inform you that hes not going anywhere any time soon.
Tonight was horrible, the impression I got was "if you admit you were a naughty boy we'll say no more about it so my husband doesn't get upset on my behalf".
What does that tell us, girls? Your experience means NOTHING.
Let's care about Dean and his delusion
Lets care about Mick and his reaction
What about Linda and what we saw happen on screen?
I think it was a good move to acknowledge that rapes do not get prosecuted due to lack of evidence and one word against another. But this was appalling. I think I'm done.
If they wanted Dean to stay on the show so badly then they shouldn't have had him rape his sister in law. It's that basic.
To answer the OP, no, I haven't lost any sympathy with Linda but I've lost my patience with the storyline. Well, more the aftermath being about the Mick/Dean/Shirley mess than the actual victim .
I agree with the poster who said they prefer Linda away from Mick, I can't stand him right now.
Tonight was horrible, the impression I got was "if you admit you were a naughty boy we'll say no more about it so my husband doesn't get upset on my behalf".
What does that tell us, girls? Your experience means NOTHING.
Let's care about Dean and his delusion
Lets care about Mick and his reaction
What about Linda and what we saw happen on screen?
I think it was a good move to acknowledge that rapes do not get prosecuted due to lack of evidence and one word against another. But this was appalling. I think I'm done.
For all those that have jumped on me for having a different opinion to yours let me make myself a bit clearer.
I have not lost sympathy for what happened to Linda Carter by any means - believe me. What I mean is - at some point we are all going to stop caring for this storyline and yesterday was my absolute limit.
There is a thin line between bravery and stupidity and I think Linda crossed that line last night. Dean is a dangerous monster and no matter how much EastEnders try to make me feel sorry for him - I will not, so having her knowingly walk into the lion's den was an absolute nono for me. Especially seeing as a lot of her neighbours feel the rape was actually an affair - yes even her "best friend". To be honest I don't blame Ian, Sharon or Jane for thinking Linda is a liar, because she isn't trying hard enough to prove otherwise.
For all the people who think EastEnders have done so well in bringing this real-life issue to the forefront, I put this to you; There are thousands of people whose rapists walk free on a regular basis, do you advise that they go knocking on their rapist's doors attempting to make peace?
My problem with this storyline is that because EastEnders have chosen to portray what happens if you don't report rape they seem to have forgotten the many people who are still in Linda's shoes. Is she still a role model for these people. Are we advising that the public don red capes and go and seek out their attackers?
Hypothetical: Dean is clearly demented. What if Mick hadn't arrived and Dean knocked back a couple more whiskeys. Let's say Dean didn't confess like Linda thought he would and instead raped her again. How would we feel about Linda then? Brave? Strong? Every woman? No - stupid.
Rape is not a petty crime. Linda didn't go round there to ask him to admit that he stole a tenner out of her purse. She walked into the home of a lunatic.
A RAPIST and an attempted MASS MURDERER. Should we also forget that he almost nearly burned the whole Carter family to death. Not to mention his dying grandfather whom he "loved so much" or a newborn baby and her mother who he now lives with.
There is a soap villain and then there's Dean. You have all these people so up in arms about Bobby being a killer when there is a monster who knows he is a monster gleefully showing no remorse and no willingness to repent.
I'm still waiting for this comeuppance he's supposed to be getting but I'm becoming very impatient. I wish they'd just kill Dean off. Horrible little scrote, hiding from Mick behind his parents.
When they were in the room together, I thought that was going to be the scene where she records his confession on her on her mobile etc?
So I was disappointed when Mick burst in....
So have I got it wrong, and she doesn't record the conversation.......
Although if that isn't a spoiler and just a rumour, how else is she ever going to get over this?
Also because i think it's obvious that Dean won't be leaving the square, meaning I think the producers are looking to redeem him enough in order for that to happen.
For all those that have jumped on me for having a different opinion to yours let me make myself a bit clearer.
I have not lost sympathy for what happened to Linda Carter by any means - believe me. What I mean is - at some point we are all going to stop caring for this storyline and yesterday was my absolute limit.
There is a thin line between bravery and stupidity and I think Linda crossed that line last night. Dean is a dangerous monster and no matter how much EastEnders try to make me feel sorry for him - I will not, so having her knowingly walk into the lion's den was an absolute nono for me. Especially seeing as a lot of her neighbours feel the rape was actually an affair - yes even her "best friend". To be honest I don't blame Ian, Sharon or Jane for thinking Linda is a liar, because she isn't trying hard enough to prove otherwise.
For all the people who think EastEnders have done so well in bringing this real-life issue to the forefront, I put this to you; There are thousands of people whose rapists walk free on a regular basis, do you advise that they go knocking on their rapist's doors attempting to make peace?
My problem with this storyline is that because EastEnders have chosen to portray what happens if you don't report rape they seem to have forgotten the many people who are still in Linda's shoes. Is she still a role model for these people. Are we advising that the public don red capes and go and seek out their attackers?
Hypothetical: Dean is clearly demented. What if Mick hadn't arrived and Dean knocked back a couple more whiskeys. Let's say Dean didn't confess like Linda thought he would and instead raped her again. How would we feel about Linda then? Brave? Strong? Every woman? No - stupid.
Rape is not a petty crime. Linda didn't go round there to ask him to admit that he stole a tenner out of her purse. She walked into the home of a lunatic.
A RAPIST and an attempted MASS MURDERER. Should we also forget that he almost nearly burned the whole Carter family to death. Not to mention his dying grandfather whom he "loved so much" or a newborn baby and her mother who he now lives with.
There is a soap villain and then there's Dean. You have all these people so up in arms about Bobby being a killer when there is a monster who knows he is a monster gleefully showing no remorse and no willingness to repent.
I agree with a lot of your post, but not about him being a mass murderer, because it actually didn't happen, so whatever he tried to attempt, at the end of the day, noone was mass murdered, and he didn't become a mass murderer either.
I don't think he's a monster, because I don't think they're painting him as a serial rapist and a sex offender.
More to do with the fact that he has some deep rooted issues to do with women I think.
Did you notice he didn't like it when Linda commented to him that she knows he has a heart etc? He didn't like that did he....
Also if this was a real life situation, the fact that Linda went there of her own free will, and something awful happened, like he attacked her again....not just she wouldn't be believed by the police this time round, but as far as the police were concerned it would throw the first rape into complete doubt as well!
I'm also looking forward to seeing "closure" on this storyline. Not sure where else they can take it now, apart from Dean being the Dad.
They've already had Mick taking Dean off somewhere, and then they had a further set to in the pub, so that's all been done, and any more vigilante stuff is just going to be a repeat of whats already happened.
Though I thought his acting was spot on last night. Even without him saying anything, his eyes spoke volumes, and that could have been a golden scene in soap terms without the interference of Mick Carter!
I agree with a lot of your post, but not about him being a mass murderer, because it actually didn't happen, so whatever he tried to attempt, at the end of the day, noone was mass murdered, and he didn't become a mass murderer either.
I don't think he's a monster, because I don't think they're painting him as a serial rapist and a sex offender.
More to do with the fact that he has some deep rooted issues to do with women I think.
Did you notice he didn't like it when Linda commented to him that she knows he has a heart etc? He didn't like that did he....
Also if this was a real life situation, the fact that Linda went there of her own free will, and something awful happened, like he attacked her again....not just she wouldn't be believed by the police this time round, but as far as the police were concerned it would throw the first rape into complete doubt as well!
I'm also looking forward to seeing "closure" on this storyline. Not sure where else they can take it now, apart from Dean being the Dad.
They've already had Mick taking Dean off somewhere, and then they had a further set to in the pub, so that's all been done, and any more vigilante stuff is just going to be a repeat of whats already happened.
Though I thought his acting was spot on last night. Even without him saying anything, his eyes spoke volumes, and that could have been a golden scene in soap terms without the interference of Mick Carter!
Sorry Geekinfected, I didn't realize until after I posted my reply to you that you had in fact put "attempted" before mass murderer!
- Turns up at the home of her rapist after he's been let off for her rape. That looks good. - Insists to be left alone with her rapist.
- Having sympathy for him and empathising with him.
Mick cares more than she does. Do you still care about Linda?
I've never liked or cared about Linda regardless of the storyline but in this particular case the entire storyline has been so very badly handled that I imagine real life victims would be shouting at the telly.
Tonight was horrible, the impression I got was "if you admit you were a naughty boy we'll say no more about it so my husband doesn't get upset on my behalf".
What does that tell us, girls? Your experience means NOTHING.
Let's care about Dean and his delusion
Lets care about Mick and his reaction
What about Linda and what we saw happen on screen?
I think it was a good move to acknowledge that rapes do not get prosecuted due to lack of evidence and one word against another. But this was appalling. I think I'm done.
Though what do you expect to happen now, if you don't agree with Linda trying to get some "closure" on her experience?
Isn't it better to come to terms with it? And to move on with her life. She shouldn't be expected to have to carry that cross all her life y'know!
And if the police won't press charges against him, then apart from him confessing which will at least give her a modicum of satisfaction to hear him confess, I can't see what else she or anyone else in that situation could do?
I agree GI. I haven't lost sympathy for victims of rape but I have lost interest in the story, there is just no progression and although I see what DTC was aiming for with it, I don't think he has got it quite right.
In all honesty, It was a damned silly thing to have her confronting Dean alone, she may want closure but what sort of message does that send out? They seriously misjudged that.
Shirley needs to find out the truth, support Linda, get Dean help (his exit) and therefore begin to heal the family rift and put Dean's part to bed, but with Matt still filming - I think we may have several more months of this to come.
Agree with most posters here, I certainly haven't lost any sympathy for Linda. But I lost interest in this story a long time ago, and it's still going in circles. I wasn't impressed when they decided to sensationalise this issue by having the rape 'revealed' on Christmas Day; but now this story really is taking the Mick (no pun). We are still in EXACTLY the same position as we were four months ago: Dean is denying it, Shirley is defending him, Mick wants Dean to leave; adinfinitum.
This story needs to end, now. It is suffocating the show.
Agree with most posters here, I certainly haven't lost any sympathy for Linda. But I lost interest in this story a long time ago, and it's still going in circles. I wasn't impressed when they decided to sensationalise this issue by having the rape 'revealed' on Christmas Day; but now this story really is taking the Mick (no pun). We are still in EXACTLY the same position as we were four months ago: Dean is denying it, Shirley is defending him, Mick wants Dean to leave; adinfinitum.
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He looked dreadful tonight - awful haircut and dodgy beard. His looks are seriously on the wane ;-)
Hear, hear. I completely agree.
Not working with me. Couldn't give a monkey's.
Agreed.
Every time I see Dean's smug face with his doting (ha!) parents on either side I want to slap all three of them daft.
What happened to the dress and knickers that Linda was wearing when he raped her? I remember them pushed into the back of the wardrobe, did she get rid or are they still there? I know they won't help her case now as it could still be seen as consensual was just wondering.
Again, well said.
Amazing how people (well the OP and four others according the poll so far) can turn on the VICTIM. Thankfully many more still have sympathy, don't know how you couldn't TBH.
I hate that word too but it is totally appropriate in this case. Linda needs to hear him say it, it's about the only things she's got left now the CPS aren't prosecuting.
Why would these things make you lose sympathy for a rape victim
No I have not lost sympathy for Linda, she has been excellent throughout this storyline!
I never said I was annoyed.
People keep saying theyre looking forward to Dean leaving but a quick peek at Matt's Twitter will inform you that hes not going anywhere any time soon.
Have to say - I agree!! (about the beard for sure, not the last bit!):D:D
The beard will be shorn off one day (please God- let it be soon!):D:D so he will regain some of those good looks once more
What does that tell us, girls? Your experience means NOTHING.
Let's care about Dean and his delusion
Lets care about Mick and his reaction
What about Linda and what we saw happen on screen?
I think it was a good move to acknowledge that rapes do not get prosecuted due to lack of evidence and one word against another. But this was appalling. I think I'm done.
To answer the OP, no, I haven't lost any sympathy with Linda but I've lost my patience with the storyline. Well, more the aftermath being about the Mick/Dean/Shirley mess than the actual victim .
I agree with the poster who said they prefer Linda away from Mick, I can't stand him right now.
Perfect post.
I have not lost sympathy for what happened to Linda Carter by any means - believe me. What I mean is - at some point we are all going to stop caring for this storyline and yesterday was my absolute limit.
There is a thin line between bravery and stupidity and I think Linda crossed that line last night. Dean is a dangerous monster and no matter how much EastEnders try to make me feel sorry for him - I will not, so having her knowingly walk into the lion's den was an absolute nono for me. Especially seeing as a lot of her neighbours feel the rape was actually an affair - yes even her "best friend". To be honest I don't blame Ian, Sharon or Jane for thinking Linda is a liar, because she isn't trying hard enough to prove otherwise.
For all the people who think EastEnders have done so well in bringing this real-life issue to the forefront, I put this to you; There are thousands of people whose rapists walk free on a regular basis, do you advise that they go knocking on their rapist's doors attempting to make peace?
My problem with this storyline is that because EastEnders have chosen to portray what happens if you don't report rape they seem to have forgotten the many people who are still in Linda's shoes. Is she still a role model for these people. Are we advising that the public don red capes and go and seek out their attackers?
Hypothetical: Dean is clearly demented. What if Mick hadn't arrived and Dean knocked back a couple more whiskeys. Let's say Dean didn't confess like Linda thought he would and instead raped her again. How would we feel about Linda then? Brave? Strong? Every woman? No - stupid.
Rape is not a petty crime. Linda didn't go round there to ask him to admit that he stole a tenner out of her purse. She walked into the home of a lunatic.
A RAPIST and an attempted MASS MURDERER. Should we also forget that he almost nearly burned the whole Carter family to death. Not to mention his dying grandfather whom he "loved so much" or a newborn baby and her mother who he now lives with.
There is a soap villain and then there's Dean. You have all these people so up in arms about Bobby being a killer when there is a monster who knows he is a monster gleefully showing no remorse and no willingness to repent.
So I was disappointed when Mick burst in....
So have I got it wrong, and she doesn't record the conversation.......
Although if that isn't a spoiler and just a rumour, how else is she ever going to get over this?
Also because i think it's obvious that Dean won't be leaving the square, meaning I think the producers are looking to redeem him enough in order for that to happen.
I agree with a lot of your post, but not about him being a mass murderer, because it actually didn't happen, so whatever he tried to attempt, at the end of the day, noone was mass murdered, and he didn't become a mass murderer either.
I don't think he's a monster, because I don't think they're painting him as a serial rapist and a sex offender.
More to do with the fact that he has some deep rooted issues to do with women I think.
Did you notice he didn't like it when Linda commented to him that she knows he has a heart etc? He didn't like that did he....
Also if this was a real life situation, the fact that Linda went there of her own free will, and something awful happened, like he attacked her again....not just she wouldn't be believed by the police this time round, but as far as the police were concerned it would throw the first rape into complete doubt as well!
I'm also looking forward to seeing "closure" on this storyline. Not sure where else they can take it now, apart from Dean being the Dad.
They've already had Mick taking Dean off somewhere, and then they had a further set to in the pub, so that's all been done, and any more vigilante stuff is just going to be a repeat of whats already happened.
Though I thought his acting was spot on last night. Even without him saying anything, his eyes spoke volumes, and that could have been a golden scene in soap terms without the interference of Mick Carter!
I've never liked or cared about Linda regardless of the storyline but in this particular case the entire storyline has been so very badly handled that I imagine real life victims would be shouting at the telly.
Isn't it better to come to terms with it? And to move on with her life. She shouldn't be expected to have to carry that cross all her life y'know!
And if the police won't press charges against him, then apart from him confessing which will at least give her a modicum of satisfaction to hear him confess, I can't see what else she or anyone else in that situation could do?
In all honesty, It was a damned silly thing to have her confronting Dean alone, she may want closure but what sort of message does that send out? They seriously misjudged that.
Shirley needs to find out the truth, support Linda, get Dean help (his exit) and therefore begin to heal the family rift and put Dean's part to bed, but with Matt still filming - I think we may have several more months of this to come.
I agree.
It will be up to the 999th + time, come the end of the story.:o
This story needs to end, now. It is suffocating the show.
Good post, agreed.