It's obvious Murdoch's against Cameron, you only have to see The Sun's criticism of Cameron to realise this. I couldn't believe that The Sun was actually criticising David Cameron. They wouldn't have a bad word said against him after the election. It seems that Murdoch's trying to turn his gullible readers against Cameron in revenge for Cameron discarding Murdoch.
Funny, but all I see is all sections of the press iturning against this government, I mean, if a Tory led government cannot even get the support of the Daily Mail, sheesh
It's about time Murdoch realised the game is up, we know what he has been up to, it was said many years ago that he wanted to bring down the Monarchy and he has shown how he can influence who gets into government .
He should slither away whilst he still has some of his Empire left.
He wanted to bring down the monarchy? There was 1 good thing about him then?
The question is this: If Rupert Murdoch blames Cameron and the Tories for the hacking scandal revelations, having to close down the NOTW and his failure to take full control of BSKYB, isn't it a bit harsh?
I doubt he blames Cameron for any of that. I would think it's more to do with what happened after the revelations and subsequent events.
Murdoch doesn't hold grudges - he simply does whatever is in the best interest of his business empire. He's battering the Tories now so that their opinion rating falls to a level where they feel that they can't win the next election without his support. Murdoch will then pull out the shopping list of demands which the Tories will be forced to accept.
It's a dangerous game but given that Labour is already quietly talking about ending the 'war' on Murdoch it's highly likely that he will be able to go back to playing them off against each other very soon.
Murdoch doesn't hold grudges - he simply does whatever is in the best interest of his business empire. He's battering the Tories now so that their opinion rating falls to a level where they feel that they can't win the next election without his support. Murdoch will then pull out the shopping list of demands which the Tories will be forced to accept.
It's a dangerous game but given that Labour is already quietly talking about ending the 'war' on Murdoch it's highly likely that he will be able to go back to playing them off against each other very soon.
I think Murdochs power has been vastly overrated for years now, for always really. People buy newspapers that agree with how they see things, not the other way round. The BBC has a far, far greater influence over the general publ.ic than Murdoch does (although the BBC's power is also waning)
I dunno about that. Murdoch controls the largest TV station, the one of the largest quality newspapers and leading tabloid - that gives him access to a huge audience in this country.
That power however is declining - people have seen how Murdoch has subverted the institutions at the top of the country - both parliament and the police - and do not like it - so are less likely to be fooled next time.
Indeed had you suggested before last year that Murdoch was unfit to run a newspaper or TV station it would be laughed at - now it is being seriously suggested.
It's a dangerous game but given that Labour is already quietly talking about ending the 'war' on Murdoch it's highly likely that he will be able to go back to playing them off against each other very soon.
Would surprise me as Tom Watson is still all over any News Int story like a bad rash.
Murdock's behaving like a wounded animal whose been cornered, & given the revelations over the last year Labour would be foolish to court Murdock again, considering how toxic Murdock has become.
Murdock's behaving like a wounded animal whose been cornered, & given the revelations over the last year Labour would be foolish to court Murdock again, considering how toxic Murdock has become.
Would surprise me as Tom Watson is still all over any News Int story like a bad rash.
Yes, but Mr Watson is hardly a member of the Labour leadership.
I can't remember where I heard it - maybe the Daily Politics or This Week - but the suggestion was that the 'New Labour' members of the party have started arguing that Labour can't win without at least neutrality from the Murdoch press and hence it might be time to rebuild bridges.
No one should underestimate Murdoch's skill and ability to manipulate situations to his benefit. A lot has happened that seems damaging to his empire, and the current situation is the most dangerous it's ever been for him, but i have a feeling that in the long run he will still be standing when everyone else is long gone.
Yes, but Mr Watson is hardly a member of the Labour leadership.
I can't remember where I heard it - maybe the Daily Politics or This Week - but the suggestion was that the 'New Labour' members of the party have started arguing that Labour can't win without at least neutrality from the Murdoch press and hence it might be time to rebuild bridges.
No one should underestimate Murdoch's skill and ability to manipulate situations to his benefit. A lot has happened that seems damaging to his empire, and the current situation is the most dangerous it's ever been for him, but i have a feeling that in the long run he will still be standing when everyone else is long gone.
I think he's a cabinet member though. As for rebuilding bridges with Murdoch, a number of Labour includind Yvette Cooper and D Miliband have written for the Sun on Sunday, so I'm sure at least part of party sees that they have to appeal to an audience beyond Guardian readers. What I find slightly strange at Murdoch's anti-Tory turn, is the timing. I'm reluctant to believe it's Leveson, as it's been months since the announcement of the inquiry. I suspect after the budget and the Granny Tax (the latter of which has affected Tory support) along with a line of mishaps by the government since Febuary, Murdoch's clearly doubting their ability (Tories) to win a majority, but it's been obvious that has not become any more possible than it was in 2010 for over a year now. The question for Murdoch is, is wherther he would support an Ed M led Labour party, or he is holding out for Yvette.
This has been a pretty shite week for the Tories, though and the question is wherther this is mid-term blues, or a gamechanger. I'm inclined to think the former, but if Cameron doesn't do what he needs to (which his review his own government operation, and his advisory team) then the weapon of competence will be something Labour will use, and it is far more damaging to the Tories than ''unfairness'' claims will be. By next week, the government need to get a handle on things, and Maude, Letwin, etc need to back-room men rather than speaking on behalf of the government. FGS, even Gove would be better.
I think Murdoch will probably survive his own crisis though, it's his children's future in his empire which is more questionable.
I think he's a cabinet member though. As for rebuilding bridges with Murdoch, a number of Labour includind Yvette Cooper and D Miliband have written for the Sun on Sunday, so I'm sure at least part of party sees that they have to appeal to an audience beyond Guardian readers. What I find slightly strange at Murdoch's anti-Tory turn, is the timing. I'm reluctant to believe it's Leveson, as it's been months since the announcement of the inquiry. I suspect after the budget and the Granny Tax (the latter of which has affected Tory support) along with a line of mishaps by the government since Febuary, Murdoch's clearly doubting their ability (Tories) to win a majority, but it's been obvious that has not become any more possible than it was in 2010 for over a year now. The question for Murdoch is, is wherther he would support an Ed M led Labour party, or he is holding out for Yvette.
This has been a pretty shite week for the Tories, though and the question is wherther this is mid-term blues, or a gamechanger. I'm inclined to think the former, but if Cameron doesn't do what he needs to (which his review his own government operation, and his advisory team) then the weapon of competence will be something Labour will use, and it is far more damaging to the Tories than ''unfairness'' claims will be. By next week, the government need to get a handle on things, and Maude, Letwin, etc need to back-room men rather than speaking on behalf of the government. FGS, even Gove would be better.
I think Murdoch will probably survive his own crisis though, it's his children's future in his empire which is more questionable.
It's the politicians who have created this myth about Murdoch power. Murdoch knows that it is bad for his business if he is backing a political loser. A big deal was made about the Sun coming out for Labour at the start of the 1997 campaign but it had been clear for years that Labour would win the next election, it was just a question of the size of the majority (a decent win under Smith, or a landslide win under Blair). 'The Sun Wot Won It' from 1992 was the biggest pile of bull I've ever heard. It didn't take tabloid scare stories to tell Tory voters that Kinnock wasn't cut out to be Prime Minister. The opinion polls were so wrong that it allowed the Sun myth to take hold. The Tories were always on course to win in 1992 but the pollsters failed to spot it.
It's the politicians who have created this myth about Murdoch power. Murdoch knows that it is bad for his business if he is backing a political loser. A big deal was made about the Sun coming out for Labour at the start of the 1997 campaign but it had been clear for years that Labour would win the next election, it was just a question of the size of the majority (a decent win under Smith, or a landslide win under Blair). 'The Sun Wot Won It' from 1992 was the biggest pile of bull I've ever heard. It didn't take tabloid scare stories to tell Tory voters that Kinnock wasn't cut out to be Prime Minister. The opinion polls were so wrong that it allowed the Sun myth to take hold. The Tories were always on course to win in 1992 but the pollsters failed to spot it.
"Toxic" maybe, but the public are still buying his newspapers and TV news will report what his papers are saying if it's juicy. You're not telling me any politician will turn their nose up at a few good stories and a trashing of their rivals. No way, don't believe it!
Well, the consensus so far seems to be that most have no more clue than I as to what Cameron was supposed to do to help Murdoch after the hacking scandal.
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So he's gone back to Labour then? - they are welcome to him.
Funny, but all I see is all sections of the press iturning against this government, I mean, if a Tory led government cannot even get the support of the Daily Mail, sheesh
I doubt he blames Cameron for any of that. I would think it's more to do with what happened after the revelations and subsequent events.
It's a dangerous game but given that Labour is already quietly talking about ending the 'war' on Murdoch it's highly likely that he will be able to go back to playing them off against each other very soon.
Were have you heard that?
I dunno about that. Murdoch controls the largest TV station, the one of the largest quality newspapers and leading tabloid - that gives him access to a huge audience in this country.
That power however is declining - people have seen how Murdoch has subverted the institutions at the top of the country - both parliament and the police - and do not like it - so are less likely to be fooled next time.
Indeed had you suggested before last year that Murdoch was unfit to run a newspaper or TV station it would be laughed at - now it is being seriously suggested.
Would surprise me as Tom Watson is still all over any News Int story like a bad rash.
I like Hague, also don't dismiss David Davies
And what do you do to wounded animals?
It would solve the issue
Yes, but Mr Watson is hardly a member of the Labour leadership.
I can't remember where I heard it - maybe the Daily Politics or This Week - but the suggestion was that the 'New Labour' members of the party have started arguing that Labour can't win without at least neutrality from the Murdoch press and hence it might be time to rebuild bridges.
No one should underestimate Murdoch's skill and ability to manipulate situations to his benefit. A lot has happened that seems damaging to his empire, and the current situation is the most dangerous it's ever been for him, but i have a feeling that in the long run he will still be standing when everyone else is long gone.
I think he's a cabinet member though. As for rebuilding bridges with Murdoch, a number of Labour includind Yvette Cooper and D Miliband have written for the Sun on Sunday, so I'm sure at least part of party sees that they have to appeal to an audience beyond Guardian readers. What I find slightly strange at Murdoch's anti-Tory turn, is the timing. I'm reluctant to believe it's Leveson, as it's been months since the announcement of the inquiry. I suspect after the budget and the Granny Tax (the latter of which has affected Tory support) along with a line of mishaps by the government since Febuary, Murdoch's clearly doubting their ability (Tories) to win a majority, but it's been obvious that has not become any more possible than it was in 2010 for over a year now. The question for Murdoch is, is wherther he would support an Ed M led Labour party, or he is holding out for Yvette.
This has been a pretty shite week for the Tories, though and the question is wherther this is mid-term blues, or a gamechanger. I'm inclined to think the former, but if Cameron doesn't do what he needs to (which his review his own government operation, and his advisory team) then the weapon of competence will be something Labour will use, and it is far more damaging to the Tories than ''unfairness'' claims will be. By next week, the government need to get a handle on things, and Maude, Letwin, etc need to back-room men rather than speaking on behalf of the government. FGS, even Gove would be better.
I think Murdoch will probably survive his own crisis though, it's his children's future in his empire which is more questionable.
Not reading alll that.
Hague has the gravitas to be leader but not sure that he has any better a grip on policies than the rest of the shower.
What we need is a leader who would put country before self.
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