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Austerity is here to stay

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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 14,922
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    Austerity is for the little people, not for those at the top or their corporate chums.
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    MorlockMorlock Posts: 3,211
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    That doesn't look very serious to me.

    Considering the Tories raised VAT from 8% to 17.5% within 12 years (1979-1991), which was a 9.5% increase, no it doesn't.
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    Nick1966Nick1966 Posts: 15,742
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    Morlock wrote: »
    Considering the Tories raised VAT from 8% to 17.5% within 12 years (1979-1991), .

    And they raised it VAT again from 17.5% to 20.0% in June 2010.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 9,720
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    Morlock wrote: »
    Considering the Tories raised VAT from 8% to 17.5% within 12 years (1979-1991), which was a 9.5% increase, no it doesn't.

    It was a 120% increase. The VAT rate increased by 9.5 percentage points.
    Nick1966 wrote: »
    And they raised it VAT again from 17.5% to 20.0% in June 2010.

    In Norway, Sweden and Denmark the standard rate of VAT is 25%.
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    TardisSteveTardisSteve Posts: 8,077
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    WindWalker wrote: »
    Austerity is for the little people, not for those at the top or their corporate chums.

    well said, austerity means nothing to them
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    Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    Showing their true face now.

    It was always about ideology and sadist tendencies.
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    MajlisMajlis Posts: 31,362
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    Meilie wrote: »


    In Norway, Sweden and Denmark the standard rate of VAT is 25%.

    this always makes me chuckle - the usual suspects keep saying we should aspire to copy the policies of the Nordic countries, yet when it is suggested raising taxes to the same levels they complain no end. :D
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    xp95xp95 Posts: 2,439
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    Majlis wrote: »
    Of course if they increased taxation - say 25% VAT - then they wouldn't have to cut Public Spending at all.

    Voila - no Austerity and everyones happy.
    Yeah, then moan even more about "Rip-off Britain"! :rolleyes:
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    DazinhoDazinho Posts: 2,643
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    It will be even more rip off Britain when they have finished privatising everything. We pay more,we get less. Shareholders and the CEO's of the likes of G4S and Serco will be okay though.

    If they privatise the state sector like they did British Rail, it will be even worse - we take the risk, we put the money in, the private companies take the money.
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    xp95xp95 Posts: 2,439
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    Dazinho wrote: »
    It will be even more rip off Britain when they have finished privatising everything. We pay more,we get less. Shareholders and the CEO's of the likes of G4S and Serco will be okay though.

    If they privatise the state sector like they did British Rail, it will be even worse - we take the risk, we put the money in, the private companies take the money.
    Don't even get me started on Serco! :yawn:
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    BrokenArrowBrokenArrow Posts: 21,665
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    WindWalker wrote: »
    Austerity is for the little people, not for those at the top or their corporate chums.

    That's the whole point of getting rich.:rolleyes:
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    That's the whole point of getting rich.:rolleyes:

    There is no 'point' in getting rich.
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    Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    ecco66 wrote: »
    LOL, smaller public sector = austerity :D:D:D
    David Cameron Says Austerity And 'Leaner State' Should Be 'Permanent'
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    MorlockMorlock Posts: 3,211
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    Ethel_Fred wrote: »

    "David Cameron has suggested that public spending should continue to be squeezed in a "fundamental culture change" that would leave the British public sector "permanently" slimmed down."


    "Shadow chancellor George Osborne's speech to the 2007 Conservative Party conference:

    "I have committed us to two per cent a year spending rises for the next three years.

    This will mean real increases for our public services.""

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7022498.stm

    No wonder they deleted their pre-election promises from the Conservative website.
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    trunkstertrunkster Posts: 14,468
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    Honestly, this thread is absolutely rammed with left wing them/us rich/poor cliches - keep it up!!:D
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    lemoncurdlemoncurd Posts: 57,778
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    Phil 2804 wrote: »
    It isn't, and it isn't even Osborne's goal to balance the budget. The long term goal of the present Government is to bring us back to pre 2008 levels of borrowing, i.e. below the rate of GDP growth so that that debt goes up but the level of debt to GDP goes down.

    Its the same trick played by every Government, Tory and Labour since at least the 1970s. The only reason the debt to GDP ratio fell so sharply in the 1980s was due to the effect of inflation.

    The long term goal should be to run a surplus! That's the only way we'll ever start to pay back our phenomenal debt. That means we need to reverse our trade deficit. Boiling the economy down to funamentals, money in > money out of the economy can be the only option.
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    BrokenArrowBrokenArrow Posts: 21,665
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    There is no 'point' in getting rich.

    Of course there is a point, it allows you to not be poor.

    Why would anybody think austerity is going to affect those with money?
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    trunkstertrunkster Posts: 14,468
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    Of course there is a point, it allows you to not be poor.

    Why would anybody think austerity is going to affect those with money?

    Getting rich is for other people to do, so we can tax them - which means other people don't have to work or bother.
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    gamez-fangamez-fan Posts: 2,201
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    The austerity will only continue for as long as you let it folks simple as really
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    MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    gamez-fan wrote: »
    The austerity will only continue for as long as you let it folks simple as really

    Simple don't vote LibLabCon any more cos Labour are committed to exactly the sane spending cuts which in practice see spending going up.

    We need real change not another PPE graduate who has never done a proper job in charge.
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    PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    Simple don't vote LibLabCon any more cos Labour are committed to exactly the sane spending cuts which in practice see spending going up.

    We need real change not another PPE graduate who has never done a proper job in charge.

    I'm afraid marry on PR would give us a chance of that.
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    BrokenArrowBrokenArrow Posts: 21,665
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    Not sure how they came to that conclusion given many people support the idea of a smaller leaner more efficient state.
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    jjwalesjjwales Posts: 48,572
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    I'm afraid marry on PR would give us a chance of that.

    Er... what? :)
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    gulliverfoylegulliverfoyle Posts: 6,318
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    I always found it odd that "live within your means" ics called austerity?

    thats sanity in my book

    as with all current society the borrow now pay later culture is rife

    I just see it as stealing from your children

    so morally bankrupt
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