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Arguments against God

IofielIofiel Posts: 1,144
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Hello :)

I know this might be a bit of an old thing now here on this forum but I'd like to use the geographical argument against god.

It goes like this:

Because a person is born into and lives in the UK, they happen to believe in Christ. Because a person happens to be born in Pakistan, they are raised to believe in Allah. And so on and so fourth for every country and every diety/dieties proclaimed to exist.

Only one of these gods can be the real god, and so I argue that the evidence here alone proves that god does not in fact exist, but remains a belief in peoples minds.
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    NX-74205NX-74205 Posts: 4,691
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    A religion thread, I can't remember the last time one of these rarities popped up.
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    Stormwave UKStormwave UK Posts: 5,088
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    The religious on here would attempt to persuade you that all those religions in fact believe in the same God.

    Although that opens up massive logical holes that we'll ignore.
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    StillAliveStillAlive Posts: 1,044
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    Oh dear God.
    Because a person is born into and lives in the UK, they happen to believe in Christ. Because a person happens to be born in Pakistan, they are raised to believe in Allah. And so on and so fourth for every country and every diety/dieties proclaimed to exist.

    As already 'pointed' out to you, there is only one God. If you were to actually believe that (for some reason I reckon your just on another silly wind up) would that satisfy your curiosity?

    And/or:
    Only one of these gods can be the real god, and so I argue that the evidence here alone proves that god does not in fact exist, but remains a belief in peoples minds.

    What if all but one religion is right, then would you be okay with there being a God?
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    John146John146 Posts: 12,926
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    Well I live in Gods country (Lancashire) so he must be in the North of England....
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    Richard46Richard46 Posts: 59,834
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    The argument has been deployed before; many times actually; but welcome to the forum in any event.
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    Joey_JJoey_J Posts: 5,146
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    Who the bloody hell is God??
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    IofielIofiel Posts: 1,144
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    The religious on here would attempt to persuade you that all those religions in fact believe in the same God.

    Although that opens up massive logical holes that we'll ignore.

    Hello :)

    Yes I am aware of the counter argument, that all gods are ultimately one god or 'substance' but I feel this argument doesn't hold against the geographical god argument. (You could add time-argument to that too, since people used to believe in Thor, Wotan and thousands even of other older gods.)

    I argue there can only be the one god that people proclaim to exist.
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    StillAliveStillAlive Posts: 1,044
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    Iofiel wrote: »
    ... so I argue that the evidence here alone proves that god does not in fact exist, but remains a belief in peoples minds.
    Iofiel wrote: »

    I argue there can only be the one god that people proclaim to exist.

    Well that didn't take you long.
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    John146John146 Posts: 12,926
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    Joey_J wrote: »
    Who the bloody hell is God??

    It's errm you know..ermmm God...
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,272
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    Iofiel wrote: »
    Hello :)

    I know this might be a bit of an old thing now here on this forum but I'd like to use the geographical argument against god.

    It goes like this:

    Because a person is born into and lives in the UK, they happen to believe in Christ. Because a person happens to be born in Pakistan, they are raised to believe in Allah. And so on and so fourth for every country and every diety/dieties proclaimed to exist.

    Only one of these gods can be the real god, and so I argue that the evidence here alone proves that god does not in fact exist, but remains a belief in peoples minds.

    How about a powerful deity existing, but doesn't go by any of the names that each country currently has for it? Your argument doesn't exactly prove that a deity doesn't exist. All you've shown is that a lof of countries have different names for this deity.
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    TheSilentFezTheSilentFez Posts: 11,103
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    They all worship the same God apparently....
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    Richard46Richard46 Posts: 59,834
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    StillAlive wrote: »
    Oh dear God.



    As already 'pointed' out to you, there is only one God. If you were to actually believe that (for some reason I reckon your just on another silly wind up) would that satisfy your curiosity?

    Then; and I very curious about this; if at least one religion if not two already existed to worship this God why did he feel the need to start a third one?
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    IofielIofiel Posts: 1,144
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    StillAlive wrote: »
    Oh dear God.

    Hello :)
    As already 'pointed' out to you, there is only one God.

    The only thing pointed out to me is that there are thousands of gods, maybe even hundreds of thousands.
    What if all but one religion is right, then would you be okay with there being a God?

    But that isn't the case. The claim being made is that there are thousands to hundreds of thousands of gods.
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    ba_baracusba_baracus Posts: 3,236
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    Here on DS we prefer to use the term Sky Fairy instead.
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    John146John146 Posts: 12,926
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    Richard46 wrote: »
    Then; and I very curious about this; if at least one religion if not two already existed to worship this God why did he feel the need to start a third one?

    He didn't man did.
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    zx50zx50 Posts: 91,272
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    ba_baracus wrote: »
    Here on DS we prefer to use the term Sky Fairy instead.

    Some do.
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    StillAliveStillAlive Posts: 1,044
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    Iofiel wrote: »

    But that isn't the case. The claim being made is that there are thousands to hundreds of thousands of gods.

    Maybe you can help us out:

    Iofiel means, “beauty of God.” She helps us to recognize that everything that happens is Divine, natural and beautiful in the eternal sense. She helps us to experience a new depth of beauty and assists us in attuning with our eternal self. In this way we can express our uniqueness that is also a reflection of God.
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    IofielIofiel Posts: 1,144
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    zx50 wrote: »
    How about a powerful deity existing, but doesn't go by any of the names that each country currently has for it? Your argument doesn't exactly prove that a deity doesn't exist. All you've shown is that a lof of countries have different names for this deity.

    Hello :)

    I don't agree that all diety/dieties are ultimately one because of the simple fact that thousands to hundreds of thousands are claimed to exist.

    For example, one single diety is called thor. Another is perhaps Iofiel. :)
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 829
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    You do know that most Muslims/Christians/Jews acknowledge that they worship the same God. They just follow different rules. Like Christians believe Jesus was the son of God while Muslims just believe he was another prophert.

    A lot of people really seem to lack basic knowledge in the major religons.
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    Joey_JJoey_J Posts: 5,146
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    John146 wrote: »
    It's errm you know..ermmm God...

    Well I know plenty of James's, Micheal's, Luke's, Dan's, Jason's, Joe's ect ect, but they come with surnames, What's Gods Surname? I might know who he's on about then?
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    StillAliveStillAlive Posts: 1,044
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    Richard46 wrote: »
    Then; and I very curious about this; if at least one religion if not two already existed to worship this God why did he feel the need to start a third one?

    Why don't you refer back to some of the old conversations you have taken part in about religion. It seems to be a hobby of yours.
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    droogiefretdroogiefret Posts: 24,117
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    Iofiel wrote: »
    Hello :)

    I know this might be a bit of an old thing now here on this forum but I'd like to use the geographical argument against god.

    It goes like this:

    Because a person is born into and lives in the UK, they happen to believe in Christ. Because a person happens to be born in Pakistan, they are raised to believe in Allah. And so on and so fourth for every country and every diety/dieties proclaimed to exist.

    Only one of these gods can be the real god, and so I argue that the evidence here alone proves that god does not in fact exist, but remains a belief in peoples minds.

    Logically that does not follow. The fact that they all shouted ' I am Sparticus' doesn't prove none of them were.
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    John146John146 Posts: 12,926
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    Joey_J wrote: »
    Well I know plenty of James's, Micheal's, Luke's, Dan's, Jason's, Joe's ect ect, but they come with surnames, What's Gods Surname? I might know who he's on about then?

    He is known to his peers as God Smith
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    StillAliveStillAlive Posts: 1,044
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    ba_baracus wrote: »
    Here on DS we prefer to use the term Sky Fairy instead.

    Do we?
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    Joey_JJoey_J Posts: 5,146
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    John146 wrote: »
    He is known to his peers as God Smith

    Oh

    Well I'm afraid I don't know a God Smith so unfortunately I wouldn't know where he's based.
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