Options

Sexting Teacher

Sierra-OscarSierra-Oscar Posts: 2,641
Forum Member
✭✭✭
Confused as to why they keep blurring the girls name given that it's already out there in the press.

That Ross is a hell of a muppet , bet he's had one hell of a wake up call! What an idiot!
«13

Comments

  • Options
    RhumbatuggerRhumbatugger Posts: 85,713
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    Weird that the program made so much of Kat's picture not looking like her at all, she looked twenty five.

    And then using an actress for the Forrest case that looks thirteen, when all the eyewitnesses state she looked nineteen or twenty.

    A way to make it look as bad as possible, not that it's not bloody awful, but it's hardly fair.
  • Options
    eXOBeXeXOBeX Posts: 38
    Forum Member
    I think her name was "withheld for legal reasons" after Forrest was arrested, which is a bit daft considering it was all over the papers when they were on the run and, like you say, it's not exactly difficult to find her name online.
  • Options
    ÆnimaÆnima Posts: 38,548
    Forum Member
    Weird that the program made so much of Kat's picture not looking like her at all, she looked twenty five.

    And then using an actress for the Forrest case that looks thirteen, when all the eyewitnesses state she looked nineteen or twenty.

    A way to make it look as bad as possible, not that it's not bloody awful, but it's hardly fair.

    tbh, I thought that actress looked about 16/ 17, but the way she was acting made her seem younger.
  • Options
    treefr0gtreefr0g Posts: 23,659
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    Weird that the program made so much of Kat's picture not looking like her at all, she looked twenty five.

    And then using an actress for the Forrest case that looks thirteen, when all the eyewitnesses state she looked nineteen or twenty.

    A way to make it look as bad as possible, not that it's not bloody awful, but it's hardly fair.

    They must have had a real problem casting she that shall not be named.
  • Options
    camy934camy934 Posts: 1,821
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    Channel 4 attempting to make a serious documentary and then use call me maybe as background music :o
  • Options
    RhumbatuggerRhumbatugger Posts: 85,713
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    camy934 wrote: »
    Channel 4 attempting to make a serious documentary and then use call me maybe as background music :o

    That was bloody annoying.
  • Options
    camy934camy934 Posts: 1,821
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    That was bloody annoying.

    It's a serious issue they were trying to get across and yet the songs made it like a laughable comedy I mean 'call me maybe' and 'summer time sadness' ?!?!?!
  • Options
    RhumbatuggerRhumbatugger Posts: 85,713
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    camy934 wrote: »
    It's a serious issue they were trying to get across and yet the songs made it like a laughable comedy I mean 'call me maybe' and 'summer time sadness' ?!?!?!

    Agree, my daughter thought it was tasteless an' all and remarked on it.
  • Options
    LenitiveLenitive Posts: 4,263
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    camy934 wrote: »
    Channel 4 attempting to make a serious documentary and then use call me maybe as background music :o

    Not to mention the weird porno-esque title :confused:
  • Options
    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,660
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    This just sounded like a case of smart people in positions of power abusing dumb, young girls who themselves seemed to admit repeatedly that they didn't understand sending intimate pictures via their phones to older men in positions of authority is basically complying with abuse. I think the men seemed to enjoy the fascination of being an attractive older male to them and the young girls were largely not very smart or interested in doing the sensible thing, perhaps because their parents were disinterested in them personally in the right ways to the sought attention from other older authority figures in a more desperately perverse manner.

    I think it is clear in school peer reviews should be a lot more common and that any email correspondence should be via school regulated and set up email accounts, teachers and students should not develop any personal interests in each other and parents should have a more active role in their children's education and personal lives. This would serve to encourage them in the right ways towards healthier and more normal relationships with people of their own age, not with teachers that may feel stuck in difficult and stressful jobs where some notice and affection can lead them to deviant behaviour where they abuse the trust and power they have bestowed and invested in them.

    There are no innocent parties here, the parents, schools, teacher and students all seemed too weak and hands off for their own good to the degree cogniscence of their actions or lack thereof and the consequences of them seemed beyond their comprehension. Whether that is true or just what they would like to think in retrospect, I can't help thinking if more have been done sooner preventatively a lot of this abuse and exploitation could have been avoided.
  • Options
    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,660
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    camy934 wrote: »
    Channel 4 attempting to make a serious documentary and then use call me maybe as background music :o

    I assume you've not watched the BBC3 "serious" documentaries or The Sex Education Show, this kind of tasteless crap is par for the course on anything not called Dispatches, Horizons or Panorama.
  • Options
    cnbcwatchercnbcwatcher Posts: 56,681
    Forum Member
    This just sounded like a case of smart people in positions of power abusing dumb, young girls who themselves seemed to admit repeatedly that they didn't understand sending intimate pictures via their phones to older men in positions of authority is basically complying with abuse. I think the men seemed to enjoy the fascination of being an attractive older male to them and the young girls were largely not very smart or interested in doing the sensible thing, perhaps because their parents were disinterested in them personally in the right ways to the sought attention from other older authority figures in a more desperately perverse manner.

    I think it is clear in school peer reviews should be a lot more common and that any email correspondence should be via school regulated and set up email accounts, teachers and students should not develop any personal interests in each other and parents should have a more active role in their children's education and personal lives. This would serve to encourage them in the right ways towards healthier and more normal relationships with people of their own age, not with teachers that may feel stuck in difficult and stressful jobs where some notice and affection can lead them to deviant behaviour where they abuse the trust and power they have bestowed and invested in them.

    There are no innocent parties here, the parents, schools, teacher and students all seemed too weak and hands off for their own good to the degree cogniscence of their actions or lack thereof and the consequences of them seemed beyond their comprehension. Whether that is true or just what they would like to think in retrospect, I can't help thinking if more have been done sooner preventatively a lot of this abuse and exploitation could have been avoided.

    This is the way I see it too. There are professional boundaries that should not be crossed and teachers are supposed to act in loco parentis to their students. It seems they crossed the boundaries. In university (where I am now), student/lecturer relationships are frowned upon but not illegal. It's a slightly different situation as the students are all adults and are paying to attend, but even then there are boundaries that should not be crossed. I'm not sure how common intimate relationships between lecturers and students are, but I don't know of any cases in my university. It has probably happened though, who knows?
  • Options
    heart of glassheart of glass Posts: 1,532
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    I'm sorry but the girl playing Jeremy's Forrest's lover has the most annoying voice/way of talking I've ever heard. I almost switched off because of it. She couldn't get through a sentence without saying "umm" or "like", my God. I don't know if the actual girl spoke like that but it was really off-putting.

    I agree with others about the background music. It seemed more like a mockumentary than a documentary.
  • Options
    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,660
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    This is the way I see it too. There are professional boundaries that should not be crossed and teachers are supposed to act in loco parentis to their students. It seems they crossed the boundaries. In university (where I am now), student/lecturer relationships are frowned upon but not illegal. It's a slightly different situation as the students are all adults and are paying to attend, but even then there are boundaries that should not be crossed. I'm not sure how common intimate relationships between lecturers and students are, but I don't know of any cases in my university. It has probably happened though, who knows?

    I think a lot of lecturer/student relationships have to do with young women with developing sexual identities trying to establish their self worth independently, perhaps feeling "rejected" by being sent away from home and finding the idea of being able to attract a more educated and senior figure to them as more rewarding than a horny freshman who is looking to "score" so he can brag about it to his friends. Most student/lecturer relationships are maintained secretly for the sake of the reputation of the lecturer so there is the added value of it being risky, taboo and dangerous for both of them if they get caught. So the thrill of the chase then becomes the thrill of getting caught. Once their self value surpasses the validation supplied from the relationship, they then often do seek more compatible partners who they can share their lives with and move on in life beside, whereas the lecturer remains in the position to exploit the constant flow of confused and disaffected young women suffering separation anxiety and insecurity, in a new and unfamiliar competitive environment.

    It's all fairly simple psychology and it is sad to think this happens so often because so little changes but if anything, this show has made it clear the avenues for abuse are far more common and varied than ever before. You can literally seduce someone into explicit and incriminating sexual situations from your sofa via your smartphone.
  • Options
    cnbcwatchercnbcwatcher Posts: 56,681
    Forum Member
    I think a lot of lecturer/student relationships have to do with young women with developing sexual identities trying to establish their self worth independently, perhaps feeling "rejected" by being sent away from home and finding the idea of being able to attract a more educated and senior figure to them as more rewarding than a horny freshman who is looking to "score" so he can brag about it to his friends. Most student/lecturer relationships are maintained secretly for the sake of the reputation of the lecturer so there is the added value of it being risky, taboo and dangerous for both of them if they get caught. So the thrill of the chase then becomes the thrill of getting caught. Once their self value surpasses the validation supplied from the relationship, they then often do seek more compatible partners who they can share their lives with and move on in life beside, whereas the lecturer remains in the position to exploit the constant flow of confused and disaffected young women suffering separation anxiety and insecurity, in a new and unfamiliar competitive environment.

    It's all fairly simple psychology and it is sad to think this happens so often because so little changes but if anything, this show has made it clear the avenues for abuse are far more common and varied than ever before. You can literally seduce someone into explicit and incriminating sexual situations from your sofa via your smartphone.

    It could well be. Most lecturer/student relationships seem to involve a female student and a male lecturer. Never heard of any male student/female lecturer relationships although some of the lads I know do have fantasies about some of the female lecturers ;-) I wonder has there ever been any same-sex lecturer/student relationships? That would be an interesting one. I personally don't see the appeal in it, but each to their own I guess. I'm doing Law and some of my lecturers are boring old farts, but there are a few who aren't so bad. I still wouldn't do it though as it would ruin my reputation and the lecturer's. Plus if they're married (and possibly have kids) I wouldn't want to ruin the marriage or their family.
  • Options
    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,660
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    It could well be. Most lecturer/student relationships seem to involve a female student and a male lecturer. Never heard of any male student/female lecturer relationships although some of the lads I know do have fantasies about some of the female lecturers ;-) I wonder has there ever been any same-sex lecturer/student relationships? That would be an interesting one. I personally don't see the appeal in it, but each to their own I guess. I'm doing Law and some of my lecturers are boring old farts, but there are a few who aren't so bad. I still wouldn't do it though as it would ruin my reputation and the lecturer's. Plus if they're married (and possibly have kids) I wouldn't want to ruin the marriage or their family.
    At university young men tend to seek each other's company and to procure as many conquests as possible to prove their alpha male potency, young women seem to be seeking validation of their sexual identities. There are often female lecturer/female student relationships and the same thing really applies, someone who knows themselves and a lot more being admired by someone who wants to learn more them than just things taught in class. It is short term self compromise for what may be long term personal gain in terms of their personal self esteem and establishment of identity but as you said, the consequences can be dire for the lecturer if they are involved or married. But the maturation process rarely ever runs smooth and there always tends to be some damage in the process.
  • Options
    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,660
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    fiagomez wrote: »
    the music choice was pretty inappropriate in my opinion....

    it seems the girl who ran away to france with forrest was having a hard time at home and was possibly craving the attention that she felt she wasnt getting at home.

    do people who watched the documentary feel that forest is DEFINITELY a paedophile??

    i personally think he abused his position of power and trust and broke the boundaries of student/teacher relationship but on reading more about it, he seems to still be in love with her so i dont know what to think :blush:

    Pretty much what I was saying. The school and parents both have a role in educating these children, neither should be abused, overburdened or disrespected. A burden shared is a burden made lighter and easier to handle.

    Apparently Jeremy Forest was finding his own marriage increasingly difficult as well because actual married life, the responsibilities and long term commitments involved, so basically you had two immature people that had a fling because they were unhappy at home, trying to seek out a fantasy where "it felt so right, how can it be wrong?" and their forbidden love seemed special. However it seems quite apparent Megan Stammers just wanted to feel special and loved. Now her parents have apparently started taking more of an active interest in her rather than arguing with each other around her, she has sought a boyfriend her own age and is doing better personally.

    Jeremy Forrest seems to be a manchild who surrounded himself with children, didn't want to act like an adult husband so reverted to being a teenager's boyfriend. Unfortunately it seems she has grown up and he still hasn't.
  • Options
    treefr0gtreefr0g Posts: 23,659
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    fiagomez wrote: »
    the music choice was pretty inappropriate in my opinion....

    it seems the girl who ran away to france with forrest was having a hard time at home and was possibly craving the attention that she felt she wasnt getting at home.

    do people who watched the documentary feel that forest is DEFINITELY a paedophile??

    i personally think he abused his position of power and trust and broke the boundaries of student/teacher relationship but on reading more about it, he seems to still be in love with her so i dont know what to think :blush:

    I don't think any rational thinker ever thought of him as a paedophile. Surely he does not fit the criteria.

    The thing that I find intriguing about this case is that he gave up absolutely everything for this girl.

    He left his family behind, his house, he threw his mobile phone off of the ferry and when the car ran out of petrol he ditched that too. He literally had nothing.
  • Options
    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 146
    Forum Member
    The coach who claimed he was wrongly accused of sleeping with a minor. Surely there would have been some DNA evidence to convict him & something more substantial than his word against hers?
  • Options
    treefr0gtreefr0g Posts: 23,659
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    fiagomez wrote: »
    i didnt feel he fitted the criteria for a padeophile myself but i wasnt sure which is why i asked the question.

    i read an article (and yeah i know you shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers) which said that he wanted to marry the girl eventually as he still loved her and his parents said that they would've supported the marriage :confused:

    i feel deeply sorry for forrest if he is still pining for her and wonder what on earth is going on in his head, even though it doesnt excuse the fact that he crossed a line and broke a severe boundary.

    I totally agree with you. Sorry if it came across that I was correcting you. It wasn't meant that way.
  • Options
    wakeywakey Posts: 3,073
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    fiagomez wrote: »
    do people who watched the documentary feel that forest is DEFINITELY a paedophile??
    :

    No because she is too old for that to be the case. The word paedophile just gets misused a lot as it has a bigger impact. To be a peadophile you need to be attracted to prepubescent kids and being so is a mental disorder but that's not the case here.

    The age of consent is fairly meaningless in reality, its just a number each society picks to define when someone is emotionally mature but you really can't do that as people mature emotionally at different rates. There are 25 year olds who are less emotionally ready than some 15 year olds. Its why we see country by country having different ages as each culture has different ideas on when you become emotionally mature.


    On the program thought it was a pretty poor job that tried to paint the pupils as 'silly little girls' while trying to portray the teachers as deviants. Notice how they used the scene where the girls friends calls him a paedo and the charachter refrences for the teacher (his work collegue especially) came across badly themselves as sniggering fools so made him seem even worse

    They also choose to focus soley on male teachers despite there being plenty of cases of Female teachers with both male and female students. This seemed to be soley to make things seem worse because a female teacher with a make student doesn't hold the same stigma and neither does a female/female relationship.

    You really do expect c4 to do a better job of producing a thought provoking documentary rather than something akin to a daily mail article
  • Options
    Jimmy_McNultyJimmy_McNulty Posts: 11,378
    Forum Member
    ✭✭
    Lenitive wrote: »
    Not to mention the weird porno-esque title :confused:

    Funny thing. Sexting Teacher, but 'Gemma' (...) said 'we didn't exchange sexual txts'.

    So it's not sexting then!
  • Options
    ZimzammamZimzammam Posts: 158
    Forum Member
    What was Ross accused of/do? I can't stand these programmes that jump back and forth between stories, very hard to keep up with!! Last thing I saw was he picked her up in his car after she rang him as she was upset.
  • Options
    ValentineValentine Posts: 3,853
    Forum Member
    ✭✭✭
    Paedophile or not (and I wouldn't necessarily say he is, more a very immature and foolish man), she was a 14 year old child in his care. My son is 13 in a couple of weeks time and I would be horrified if I suspected teachers at his school were thinking of their pupils in 'that' way.

    When I was at school, we had a couple of really good looking teachers who all the girls were after but never in this world would they have encouraged them. It's wrong and, on that basis, Forrest entirely deserves his prison sentence.
  • Options
    katy18katy18 Posts: 210
    Forum Member
    camy934 wrote: »
    It's a serious issue they were trying to get across and yet the songs made it like a laughable comedy I mean 'call me maybe' and 'summer time sadness' ?!?!?!

    I agree. I watched this hoping for a serious documentary but all the bubble gum pop backing songs made it seem almost approving.

    For me, Forrest was in a position of authority and trust. He knew the boundaries that should occur in a student teacher relationship and chose to ignore them to suit his own needs. Anything that happened after that (including running away at his students instigation) I feel he is legally responsible for and deserves his sentence.
Sign In or Register to comment.