What explanation is needed? The explanation is Hulk Hogan is racist. He actually says that and we now know of five times he used that word.
Also, do you really think that decision was made without speaking to Hogan? Just because he didn't publicly explain for his comments (he still hasn't either), he could have done so in private.
If you want to pull the "PC gone mad" card, well that's up to you, but just another example of criticising the people who dealt with the situation rather than the person who caused it. Hulk Hogan is being cut off because Hulk Hogan is racist. The one person responsible for the reaction to these comments is Hulk Hogan.
I'd also say, go criticise Dixie Carter who has pulled all Hulk Hogan merchandise and pulled his profile from the TNA website. So basically done everything she can to disassociate herself from Hogan. But TNA isn't copping any shit for doing what WWE has done.
Hogan saying "Everyone is a bit racist" in an angry rant during a private conversation doesn't really tell us a whole lot. For sure, it's very distasteful and ugly that he used the "N" word several times but this was a private conversation that was never intended for public consumption. I'm sure you must have occasionally said something in a private one on one conversation or during a phone call that you would never dream of saying in public in front of an audience : I know I certainly have.
Hogan may well be a racist and a hypocrite, but it would have been interesting to see a more nuanced reaction. Would a black wrestler be banished from the WWE in similar circumstances I wonder?
Hogan saying "Everyone is a bit racist" in an angry rant during a private conversation doesn't really tell us a whole lot. For sure, it's very distasteful and ugly that he used the "N" word several times but this was a private conversation that was never intended for public consumption. I'm sure you must have occasionally said something in a private one on one conversation or during a phone call that you would never dream of saying in public in front of an audience : I know I certainly have.
Hogan may well be a racist and a hypocrite, but it would have been interesting to see a more nuanced reaction. Would a black wrestler be banished from the WWE in similar circumstances I wonder?
Publicly funded companies don't do nuanced reactions, and WWE certainly don't do nuanced anything. I understand what you're saying but surely you can see why they don't want to associate with him at this point. He's doing himself no favours at this point either, though I'm sure there will be some sort of public rehabilitation of his character culminating in a reality show or something.
I see a lot of black people have been tweeting their support for Hogan.
I do think the WWE totally jumped the gun on this one, booting him from the organisation and erasing him from everything before the guy even had the opportunity to give an explanation. They were so desperate to show their politically correct credentials that they may have misjudged that a lot of people might not even be bothered about some obscure rant in a private conversation on an audio tape from eight years ago.
I would have thought he would have thought he would have to do something a lot more serious like being exposed as a member of a far right group or something to merit expulsion.
The latest one ive heard is that apparently CM Punk did a impression on the tape mimicking Hogan.
Publicly funded companies don't do nuanced reactions, and WWE certainly don't do nuanced anything. I understand what you're saying but surely you can see why they don't want to associate with him at this point. He's doing himself no favours at this point either, though I'm sure there will be some sort of public rehabilitation of his character culminating in a reality show or something.
That's probably a fair point and I suppose their first thought must have been that if they weren't seen to come down on him like a ton of bricks, they would be worried about being viewed as "condoning a racist".
It would be preferable though if there was a nuanced reaction. If everybody was going to fired for something they once said during a private conversation, I think the whole lot of us would be out of a job tomorrow morning.
WWE have to act as hard and as quickly as possible in case the media really start trying to dig dirt. If anyone does that, they're screwed.
It won't be "forever" anyway. Hogan may be done as an on-air character (he was probably commanding a massive fee for little anyway, so they're probably half-relieved if anything), but they'll acknowledge him again once Hogan's apologised enough and everyone's moved on.
I had the Network for a few months earlier this year but I gain and then lose interest in wrestling very quickly, so I'll probably end up with the network for a couple of months here and there before cancelling again. Are the Raw and SmackDown! libraries larger now than they were around January/February time?
Are the Raw and SmackDown! libraries larger now than they were around January/February time?
Raw is. They've added a bunch of Attitude Era Raw since then. Not so sure on Smackdown though. I think I remember someone saying they've added some more Smackdown lately but haven't actually checked.
Hogan saying "Everyone is a bit racist" in an angry rant during a private conversation doesn't really tell us a whole lot. For sure, it's very distasteful and ugly that he used the "N" word several times but this was a private conversation that was never intended for public consumption. I'm sure you must have occasionally said something in a private one on one conversation or during a phone call that you would never dream of saying in public in front of an audience : I know I certainly have.
Hogan may well be a racist and a hypocrite, but it would have been interesting to see a more nuanced reaction. Would a black wrestler be banished from the WWE in similar circumstances I wonder?
It doesn't really matter, public or private. What was private is now public and everybody in the public eye, especially someone who has been present since before the rise of celebrity culture as we know it, has to realise private may not stay private. He isn't some rookie with no understanding of the media. Him trying to justify his rant by saying everybody is a little racist is purely ridiculous. It's all on him.
Public companies with shareholders, sponsors etc don't do nuanced reactions. They acted swiftly to disassociate from a man who admitted being racist and using racist language and did the right thing. TNA also did it, probably the best decision Dixie Carter made in about 5 years. Even the Hogan restaurant is putting as much space between them and him as they can. He hasn't been banished either, he's been released from his contract. There is a difference.
Raw is. They've added a bunch of Attitude Era Raw since then. Not so sure on Smackdown though. I think I remember someone saying they've added some more Smackdown lately but haven't actually checked.
Sounds great. At least it sounds better than everyone here bombarding the topics with Hogan posts.
Raw is. They've added a bunch of Attitude Era Raw since then. Not so sure on Smackdown though. I think I remember someone saying they've added some more Smackdown lately but haven't actually checked.
A few Smackdown episodes from 2000 were added a few weeks ago.
More 1997 Raw episodes have been added today. There's only a few more to add to complete the year.
Also, some Raw episodes from January and February 1999 have been added.
They are adding these at a faster pace
But I really don't understand the gaps between episodes surly if it takes that long to put them up you would wait until they are all reddy to go but anyway
Hulk hogan cartoon has been removed from the network no big loss:D
Hogan saying "Everyone is a bit racist" in an angry rant during a private conversation doesn't really tell us a whole lot. For sure, it's very distasteful and ugly that he used the "N" word several times but this was a private conversation that was never intended for public consumption. I'm sure you must have occasionally said something in a private one on one conversation or during a phone call that you would never dream of saying in public in front of an audience : I know I certainly have.
I haven't however used the N word in private conversation. The problem that is ultimately being over looked here is that for any word to "slip out" during conversation (or a deposition) is that it has to be part of your vocabulary to begin with. The general context and connotation of his use of the word isn't great either. I would also suggest that's the point that seperates McMahon's use of it on TV and Hogan's use of it here. McMahon wasn't using it in a derogatory fashion. He at least has that going for him.
Hogan may well be a racist and a hypocrite, but it would have been interesting to see a more nuanced reaction. Would a black wrestler be banished from the WWE in similar circumstances I wonder?
What exactly would a more nuanced reaction be? I also wonder what you imagine a similar circumstance would be for a black wrestler. There really isn't a comparable term.
I haven't however used the N word in private conversation. The problem that is ultimately being over looked here is that for any word to "slip out" during conversation (or a deposition) is that it has to be part of your vocabulary to begin with. The general context and connotation of his use of the word isn't great either. I would also suggest that's the point that seperates McMahon's use of it on TV and Hogan's use of it here. McMahon wasn't using it in a derogatory fashion. He at least has that going for him.
What exactly would a more nuanced reaction be? I also wonder what you imagine a similar circumstance would be for a black wrestler. There really isn't a comparable term.
Booker T got away with it. It all goes back to if a Black person says it they WOULD get away with it but if a white person says it the media comes down hard on them. Eddie Murphy has said it plenty of times and got away with it.
Booker T got away with it. It all goes back to if a Black person says it they WOULD get away with it but if a white person says it the media comes down hard on them. Eddie Murphy has said it plenty of times and got away with it.
Well seeing as Sherri was managing Harlem Heat im guessing Spring Stampede 1997.
Right so the comparison is completely and utterly redundant because Vince McMahon wasn't running WCW in 1997. That Eric Bischoff/Ted Turner didn't take the same route as WWE have doesn't mean WWE have done the wrong thing here.
Right so the comparison is completely and utterly redundant because Vince McMahon wasn't running WCW in 1997. That Eric Bischoff/Ted Turner didn't take the same route as WWE have doesn't mean WWE have done the wrong thing here.
Vince still said it in 2005 regardless of context or not or in a character or not it was still said regardless.
Booker T got away with it. It all goes back to if a Black person says it they WOULD get away with it but if a white person says it the media comes down hard on them. Eddie Murphy has said it plenty of times and got away with it.
Consider for a moment the history of race relations in the United States and think to yourself why that might be.
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Hogan saying "Everyone is a bit racist" in an angry rant during a private conversation doesn't really tell us a whole lot. For sure, it's very distasteful and ugly that he used the "N" word several times but this was a private conversation that was never intended for public consumption. I'm sure you must have occasionally said something in a private one on one conversation or during a phone call that you would never dream of saying in public in front of an audience : I know I certainly have.
Hogan may well be a racist and a hypocrite, but it would have been interesting to see a more nuanced reaction. Would a black wrestler be banished from the WWE in similar circumstances I wonder?
Publicly funded companies don't do nuanced reactions, and WWE certainly don't do nuanced anything. I understand what you're saying but surely you can see why they don't want to associate with him at this point. He's doing himself no favours at this point either, though I'm sure there will be some sort of public rehabilitation of his character culminating in a reality show or something.
The latest one ive heard is that apparently CM Punk did a impression on the tape mimicking Hogan.
TBF this is CM Punk if he knew a woman was offering sex he would be there quicker than Big Show on a burger
That's probably a fair point and I suppose their first thought must have been that if they weren't seen to come down on him like a ton of bricks, they would be worried about being viewed as "condoning a racist".
It would be preferable though if there was a nuanced reaction. If everybody was going to fired for something they once said during a private conversation, I think the whole lot of us would be out of a job tomorrow morning.
It won't be "forever" anyway. Hogan may be done as an on-air character (he was probably commanding a massive fee for little anyway, so they're probably half-relieved if anything), but they'll acknowledge him again once Hogan's apologised enough and everyone's moved on.
I had the Network for a few months earlier this year but I gain and then lose interest in wrestling very quickly, so I'll probably end up with the network for a couple of months here and there before cancelling again. Are the Raw and SmackDown! libraries larger now than they were around January/February time?
It doesn't really matter, public or private. What was private is now public and everybody in the public eye, especially someone who has been present since before the rise of celebrity culture as we know it, has to realise private may not stay private. He isn't some rookie with no understanding of the media. Him trying to justify his rant by saying everybody is a little racist is purely ridiculous. It's all on him.
Public companies with shareholders, sponsors etc don't do nuanced reactions. They acted swiftly to disassociate from a man who admitted being racist and using racist language and did the right thing. TNA also did it, probably the best decision Dixie Carter made in about 5 years. Even the Hogan restaurant is putting as much space between them and him as they can. He hasn't been banished either, he's been released from his contract. There is a difference.
Sounds great. At least it sounds better than everyone here bombarding the topics with Hogan posts.
A few Smackdown episodes from 2000 were added a few weeks ago.
More 1997 Raw episodes have been added today. There's only a few more to add to complete the year.
Also, some Raw episodes from January and February 1999 have been added.
Saw an interview with him the other day where he said that he was offered to do porn after he left WWE.
But I really don't understand the gaps between episodes surly if it takes that long to put them up you would wait until they are all reddy to go but anyway
Hulk hogan cartoon has been removed from the network no big loss:D
So Punk & Sunny then.
What exactly would a more nuanced reaction be? I also wonder what you imagine a similar circumstance would be for a black wrestler. There really isn't a comparable term.
Booker T got away with it. It all goes back to if a Black person says it they WOULD get away with it but if a white person says it the media comes down hard on them. Eddie Murphy has said it plenty of times and got away with it.
When did that Booker T promo happen?
Well seeing as Sherri was managing Harlem Heat im guessing Spring Stampede 1997.
Right so the comparison is completely and utterly redundant because Vince McMahon wasn't running WCW in 1997. That Eric Bischoff/Ted Turner didn't take the same route as WWE have doesn't mean WWE have done the wrong thing here.
Vince still said it in 2005 regardless of context or not or in a character or not it was still said regardless.
No, i definitely think context and being in character is something to take into account.,
Spring Stampede 97. Is on the network unaltered I believe.
If I recall it was supposed to make Vince look like a idiot.
He was trying to be down with the kids loke he just heard a rap song and thought that was how the kids nowadays talked.
Consider for a moment the history of race relations in the United States and think to yourself why that might be.