Could the Greens learn something from the Tea Party?

blueisthecolourblueisthecolour Posts: 20,127
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It's the Green Party conference and once again they are making the claim that they are the only progressive opposition in the country - specifically attacking Labour's record and current policies.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19517696

But in a two party system does it really make sense for them to operate in this way? Surely when it comes to the crunch people are left with a choice between the two main parties in their area and the vast majority of center left voters will go for Labour - even if there own views are closer to the Greens.

Personally I think they could learn from the Tea Party in the US. When they first started they were consider a bit of a joke and far too extreme to be taken seriously in US politics. However they decided that rather than forming a 'third party' and competing against the Republicans that they would instead build up a popular following and seek to change the party from within. The result of this was that the Republicans were happy to embrace the movement in order to win it's support and in the process has in fact move a long way to supporting it's aims.

If the Greens were willing to working within the Labour Party rather than against do you think they could achieve the same? Or would the stronger party leadership model in the UK be able to prevent them from having influence?

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  • wallsterwallster Posts: 17,609
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    It's the Green Party conference and once again they are making the claim that they are the only progressive opposition in the country - specifically attacking Labour's record and current policies.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19517696

    But in a two party system does it really make sense for them to operate in this way? Surely when it comes to the crunch people are left with a choice between the two main parties in their area and the vast majority of center left voters will go for Labour - even if there own views are closer to the Greens.

    Personally I think they could learn from the Tea Party in the US. When they first started they were consider a bit of a joke and far too extreme to be taken seriously in US politics. However they decided that rather than forming a 'third party' and competing against the Republicans that they would instead build up a popular following and seek to change the party from within. The result of this was that the Republicans were happy to embrace the movement in order to win it's support and in the process has in fact move a long way to supporting it's aims.

    If the Greens were willing to working within the Labour Party rather than against do you think they could achieve the same? Or would the stronger party leadership model in the UK be able to prevent them from having influence?

    The Greens are still regarded as fringe and slightly oddball. Nevertheless they are not necessarily on the same page as Labour.
  • cpu121cpu121 Posts: 5,330
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    Didn't work for the Militant Tendancy.

    Probably won't work for the Republicans in the end either.

    Elections are won in the centre. By appealing to extreme groups (Militant and Tea Party), parties move away from the centre - whatever votes they gain at the extremes, they lose many more amongst swing voters.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 949
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    No I think the Greens should stay away from the corruption of the big 3 parties. The only mistake they have done was allowing Caroline Lucas to step down as leader - whether one agrees or disagrees with her politics does not matter as she seems to be one of the few genuine politicians in Westminster and the public even if they have no affiliation with the Greens they want see more honest politicians - if they sell that message who knows. They could get a lot more support. But they needed Lucas to stay as the leader.
  • trevgotrevgo Posts: 28,241
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    If the Greens were willing to working within the Labour Party rather than against do you think they could achieve the same? Or would the stronger party leadership model in the UK be able to prevent them from having influence?

    Good in theory, but it takes two to tango, as Labour is the most tribal party of the lot. They've had plenty in common with the LibDems for years, but the mere mention of them always got them frothing at the mouth. They are an arrogant bunch of egos who believe they have the monopoly of wisdom.

    Balls's coquettish behaviour around Cable currently is pure mischief making.
  • cpu121cpu121 Posts: 5,330
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    highlight wrote: »
    No I think the Greens should stay away from the corruption of the big 3 parties. The only mistake they have done was allowing Caroline Lucas to step down as leader - whether one agrees or disagrees with her politics does not matter as she seems to be one of the few genuine politicians in Westminster and the public even if they have no affiliation with the Greens they want see more honest politicians - if they sell that message who knows. They could get a lot more support. But they needed Lucas to stay as the leader.
    Apparently one of the reasons for Lucas stepping down was to raise the profile of other Green politicians

    Previously she was the go to person for Green party comments - as leader, MEP and subsequently MP. Now the Greens will have a MP and a leader to appear individually on TV etc - so hopefully looking less of a one-woman band.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 949
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    cpu121 wrote: »
    Apparently one of the reasons for Lucas stepping down was to raise the profile of other Green politicians

    Previously she was the go to person for Green party comments - as leader, MEP and subsequently MP. Now the Greens will have a MP and a leader to appear individually on TV etc - so hopefully looking less of a one-woman band.

    I wish them well even if some of the ideas are different to mine we need more honest humanitarian politicians in Westminister and I also think its about time TV broadcasted the Green parties conferences.
  • BomoLadBomoLad Posts: 17,821
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    The Green Tea party sounds an interesting concept. Right wing loons talking about herbal brews.
  • LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    The Green Party should just continue with their plan to get as many councillors as possible. They can do far more at a greater pace concentrating on local politics than they can with national.

    They should combine this with demanding a move to greater decentralisation. Let the national government only do the things that can only be done at that level.
  • Biffo the BearBiffo the Bear Posts: 25,859
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    Yep, the Greens should adopt the Lib Dem tactics of the early 2000s and start winning local seats.. except not then stuff it all up by climbing into bed with the Tories.

    I'm considering joining up to stand in next year's County elections at the moment.
  • Grabid RanniesGrabid Rannies Posts: 4,588
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    They have tenacity, you have to give them that. It seems to my evanescent memory that they were actually more popular, or at least taken more notice of in the media, in their late 80s/early 90s heyday if anything. Is the Monster Raving Loony Party still going?
  • cpu121cpu121 Posts: 5,330
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    Lyricalis wrote: »
    The Green Party should just continue with their plan to get as many councillors as possible. They can do far more at a greater pace concentrating on local politics than they can with national.

    They should combine this with demanding a move to greater decentralisation. Let the national government only do the things that can only be done at that level.
    The trouble is that like all parties that favour decentralisation, they also hate "postcode lotteries" even more. So they end up favouring centralisation instead.
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