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Get the prisoners to clean the hospitals
rogtog
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Hospitals are filthy, particularly mental hospitals. Apparently prisoners need "education". Why not kill several birds with the same stone and "educate" priosoners in the art of using a mop and a bucket of hot soapy water and get them to clean the asylums. They'll also be equipped with skills for when they are released, and can get jobs swabbing out trains, railway stations and other public buildings!
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Well, I'm sure some are. Maybe I've just been lucky but the ones I've been in have been alright.
This is a nice idea but won't it put the existing domestics out of a job - it's not like hospitals don't already have cleaning staff. Some of them just need to do their jobs better.
Not sure I'd be too happy if I was a patient with convicted criminals brushing round my bed! There's enough theft/violence in hospitals these days.
IN Fact why not replace all these workers with criminals.... See the problem, replacing workers with what would essentially be slave labour can hardly be expected in a civilised society, never mind the employees who would lose their jobs to be replaced by 'Chain Gangs'
Nail on head....
Can you imagine the chaos when clients start claiming that they have been robbed, just because they KNOW the staffs are criminals!!!
There are enough spongers out there trying to rob the NHS without adding to the litigation side
Erm.....I really don't think i'd like violent offenders working near the ward where my wife/girlfriend was. Don't mind people who have been done for fraud and other petty little crimes....but once it comes to violence...nope. But.....maybe they'd go through this first though.
Yes lets make people on low wages who work really hard cleaning our hospitals and earning an honest wage feel even more like shit by replacing some of them with the lowlife scum such as the ones who burgled my house the other week.
I've never heard as much b011(ks in my life! :mad:
BTW, how do you know that the person who redistributed some of your wealth wasn't also a hospital cleaner?
The visitors who shout the loudest about MRSA are usually the ones who haven't got a clue what it is (the number of times I see "virus MRSA" in the paper and want to scream!), and don't realise that they have a responsibility too. I've asked visitors countless times to gel their hands on the way in, despite the big red sign on the entrance.
I really can't see how prisoners will make this situation any better.
I challenge you to work as a cleaner in your local NHS/PCT run hospital and then come back here and comment on "HOW THE NHS SHOULD BE RUN"
You bunch of PC hypocrites...
Some prisons actually run NVQ training courses in Industrial Cleaning, so it's quite likely that an ex-con may well be sweeping and mopping the floors where you work, although I don't know if they'd employ them in a hospital with a criminal record.
It certainly wouldn't be a good idea to employ serving prisoners anywhere where people are weak, sick and vulnerable. Being in hospital is stressful enough and patients could do without the added stress of worrying whether the cleaner is going to nick their belongings, even if the prisoner is trustworthy and has no intention of doing so.
Contract cleaners already employed in the NHS do a good job on the whole but those that don't work hard will often get away with it because no-one is supervising them. I've been in my current workplace for 15 months and I've seen the cleaning manager just twice. Also, ward managers (senior nurses) seem to spend most of their day shut in offices and don't supervise anyone either. If no-one's watching what you're doing you're going to cut corners...
Why is it 'obvious'?
If there are deficiencies in hospital cleanliness, maybe it's time to stop outsourcing cleaning work and bring it back under the direct control of the local NHS trusts. It's the modern culture of 'best value' (i.e. cheapest option at any cost) that is the main contributor to cleaning standards (or lack of) here. When you outsource, quality suffers.
Can't comment on an individual's level of skill. But I'd imagine there aren't enough of them. Again, it's down to cost. The money needs to be allocated to get the job done properly. It's not the sort of thing that we can expect to happen on a shoestring without quality suffering.
Using prisoners to supplement the cleaning work done by those who are currently contracted to clean hospitals would make the situation better by providing more cleanining staff with the effect that more cleaning would be done. If more cleaning is done then there will be fewer uncleaned or inadequately cleaned hospitals/asylums, with the effect that hospitals and asylums would be cleaner :-)
Would these be the same trusts that are on the verge of bankruptcy ... ? ;-)
Hence the suggestion to *boost* the number of cleaners by deploying the prison population :-)
Also, the cons would need to be supervised, which is why I also suggested using screws and/or special constables for this purpose :-)
What's the point of your "challenge"?
Does one need to be a juggler to see that the balls are on the floor ... ?
Perhaps I've been lucky, but dirtiness is not something I've noticed when being in hospital. Do you believe my experience to be an exception and think that most hospitals are dirty?
Most probably, yes. Simple answer is they need the extra money. Or they need to ringfence existing budgets to finance proper cleaning. They's probably save money in the longrun through lower secondary infection rates.
Isn't that going to be a false economy though? You're going to have to pay prison warders/guards to keep watch on these criminals the whole time they're in the hospitals. Wouldn't it be just cheaper and simpler all round to use the money required to pay for the extra dedicated staff?
Also, most hospitals now require a Criminal Records Bureau check on all their staff (plus an enhanced check for those working with kids and the elderly). The CRB would have a field day if hospitals did what you suggest. If they were applying to be proper members of staff (even cleaners), most of them wouldn't get through the door. Would you apply different standards for these criminal cleaners?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4527990.stm
Just proves to me that you are cr@p at juggling...
Maybe you should be a NHS consultant and make sure the "balls" fall in your pocket instead of the "staff" that have to clean up after you!!
Do you work for the NHS on the ground level?
What qualifies you to claim they are less worthy than you?
Could just as easily be crap management. Especially if the cleaner hasn't been given the time to do his/her job properly.