Credit to Sherwood but people are far too quick to proclaim him a success. He has got the initial burst out of the players but that isn't unusual. His test comes next season when that has worn off.
Tim is still on his honeymoon with Villa. The real test will come next term when he has to manage a team for a complete season.for the very first time. Only then will he prove if he has taken Villa forward and that his ability matches his own self-opinion.
If he manages to pull off an FA Cup final win I'm sure the Villa fans will give him a bit of leeway if next season starts a bit shit.
I mean, Wigan got relegated but the fans still had the great day out winning the Fa Cup final and something to tell their grandkids about.
They are only four points above the relegation zone. Nothing is guaranteed yet.
No, because Tim Sherwood only cares about Tim Sherwood. He can bang on about his league win percentage at Tottenham all he wants, but his record in the cups was awful, and he conveniently never mentions that. He lost over a third of the games in all competitions too.
The title of the thread is not backed by evidence, thus far.
What I find funny is the number of people making judgments who were willing to write him off before he even got the job, whilst claiming later after he's won a few games that its too early to make a judgment despite having done so far earlier.
I suspect if he wins the FA Cup and guides them to 14th the Community Shield will probably get bandied about as "the true test".
Can't see them beating Arsenal (and I'd have said the same about Liverpool had they won) but he's still in a win win situation. Keep them up, hero. Fail to stay up, nothing to work with.
The ongoing real desire for Sherwood to fail by some ( however much that is denied ) is a bit sad.
I have no desire to see him fail. There is a difference between that, and not giving him praise that I don't think he deserves yet.
I'd be more than happy to see him succeed, as I think having another successful English manager would be good for the game. But as it stands, he's extremely arrogant for a manager who has achieved nothing.
He did alright. We were rubbish defensively under him as he never played with a defensive midfielder. We beat teams that "on paper" we should have done, whilst losing or drawing the odd game here and there like most do, but got absolutely thumped by Chelsea, City and Liverpool, which he conviniently never mentions. He had a higher win percentage, yes, but there wasn't too much difference between league results under Sherwood and AVB last season really, with regards to who we beat and who we lost to.
But when you add cup competitions to the mix, AVB's record last season was better in every department - number of wins, win percentage, number of clean sheets, percentage of clean sheets kept, goals conceded, average number goals scored per game etc. Sherwood's cup record was played 7, won 1 and lost 6, conceding 12 goals and scoring only 7. AVB's on the other hand was played 10, won 10, scored 24, conceded only 4 and kept 7 clean sheets.
I wouldn't have so much of an issue with Sherwood if he painted things accurately, but he doesn't. He leaves out everything that shows his record with us to be not quite as good as he makes out.
The list of managers that come into post mid season and do well is very very long indeed. Sunderland seem to specialise in appointing new managers this way and getting that initial burst of success that saves them from disaster. The number that can maintain this success past that first season, once they have a pre-season and have to buy and sell players and impose their own ideas is much much smaller.
We have seen this so often that praising Sherwood at this stage can only be done tentatively.
the guy takes credit for absolutely everything Kane-related from giving Kane his first start to arranging and overseeing his conception on a cold October evening in 1992. can't stand him, never will, and wish him nothing but failure and a rude awakening.
the guy takes credit for absolutely everything Kane-related from giving Kane his first start to arranging and overseeing his conception on a cold October evening in 1992. can't stand him, never will, and wish him nothing but failure and a rude awakening.
:D Apart from being a very funny post, you sound very bitter.
Personally, I think he's alright. I don't find him as obnoxious as some people on here do & would like to see him do well (even though Villa beat Liverpool last weekend ).
Given that there are current threads on Advocat, McLaren and even Mourinho I wonder what people are thinking of Sherwood's position. Only 1 point above the bottom two and not playing much better than those two either.
He still likes to tell it like it is, which isn't very hopeful for the fans.
I've not really seen much of Villa this season, but his signings this summer and the poor start don't exactly fill me with much confidence that he will still be there in May.
This season is shaping up like one that will see a lot of managers lose their jobs. Several are under real pressure already.
Given that there are current threads on Advocat, McLaren and even Mourinho I wonder what people are thinking of Sherwood's position. Only 1 point above the bottom two and not playing much better than those two either.
He still likes to tell it like it is, which isn't very hopeful for the fans.
I've said all along he'll be found out when the going gets tough and it's happening now. I know that'll likely be seen as "gloating" but it isn't meant to be. The guy is in over his head and has an overblown opinion of his actual ability as a manager.
If it's the career he genuinely wants, he needs to learn his trade properly in the lower leagues for a few years before he even considers a premiership job.
just shows, it wasn't "too early" at all to be able to tell he wasn't going to be any good. he's still getting a fairly benign ride in the media though, due to his being British and a "proper football man".
just shows, it wasn't "too early" at all to be able to tell he wasn't going to be any good. he's still getting a fairly benign ride in the media though, due to his being British and a "proper football man".
Yes, the British press have never slaughtered home grown managers, have they.
I'm sure the likes of Bobby Robson, Graham Taylor, Steve McLaren, Glenn Hoddle, Brendan Rogers etc etc would disagree.
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If he manages to pull off an FA Cup final win I'm sure the Villa fans will give him a bit of leeway if next season starts a bit shit.
I mean, Wigan got relegated but the fans still had the great day out winning the Fa Cup final and something to tell their grandkids about.
He did pretty damn well in league games though.
What I find funny is the number of people making judgments who were willing to write him off before he even got the job, whilst claiming later after he's won a few games that its too early to make a judgment despite having done so far earlier.
I suspect if he wins the FA Cup and guides them to 14th the Community Shield will probably get bandied about as "the true test".
Still think he's a bit of a knob though.
I wonder if he does fail at Villa would he accept a Championship job or will he think it beneath him?
Cup final is a bonus.
I have no desire to see him fail. There is a difference between that, and not giving him praise that I don't think he deserves yet.
I'd be more than happy to see him succeed, as I think having another successful English manager would be good for the game. But as it stands, he's extremely arrogant for a manager who has achieved nothing.
He did alright. We were rubbish defensively under him as he never played with a defensive midfielder. We beat teams that "on paper" we should have done, whilst losing or drawing the odd game here and there like most do, but got absolutely thumped by Chelsea, City and Liverpool, which he conviniently never mentions. He had a higher win percentage, yes, but there wasn't too much difference between league results under Sherwood and AVB last season really, with regards to who we beat and who we lost to.
But when you add cup competitions to the mix, AVB's record last season was better in every department - number of wins, win percentage, number of clean sheets, percentage of clean sheets kept, goals conceded, average number goals scored per game etc. Sherwood's cup record was played 7, won 1 and lost 6, conceding 12 goals and scoring only 7. AVB's on the other hand was played 10, won 10, scored 24, conceded only 4 and kept 7 clean sheets.
I wouldn't have so much of an issue with Sherwood if he painted things accurately, but he doesn't. He leaves out everything that shows his record with us to be not quite as good as he makes out.
We have seen this so often that praising Sherwood at this stage can only be done tentatively.
Personally, I think he's alright. I don't find him as obnoxious as some people on here do & would like to see him do well (even though Villa beat Liverpool last weekend
He still likes to tell it like it is, which isn't very hopeful for the fans.
This season is shaping up like one that will see a lot of managers lose their jobs. Several are under real pressure already.
I've said all along he'll be found out when the going gets tough and it's happening now. I know that'll likely be seen as "gloating" but it isn't meant to be. The guy is in over his head and has an overblown opinion of his actual ability as a manager.
If it's the career he genuinely wants, he needs to learn his trade properly in the lower leagues for a few years before he even considers a premiership job.
Yes, the British press have never slaughtered home grown managers, have they.
I'm sure the likes of Bobby Robson, Graham Taylor, Steve McLaren, Glenn Hoddle, Brendan Rogers etc etc would disagree.
no doubt you'll soon be accusing me of picking fights with you, as per usual
Why mention "due to him being British"?
No gloating at all. Most of us realised he was in way over his head.
This is like watching someone used to beach pedalos captain an aircraft carrier.