My iPhone feeling dated now....

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  • StigglesStiggles Posts: 9,618
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    tdenson wrote: »
    No, I'm talking about the use of a sticky tag like the Barclaycard one I have. It is stuck to the back of my phone. I agree it's useful to have it in or on the phone as typically I always have that with me, but it's no big deal to stick it on the back of the case my phone is in (I already have a piece of metal on the back for attaching it to my dashboard magnets in the car). And anyway there would be no use it being inside my phone as ATM there is no official way of making payments with my HTC One (other than hacking Google wallet which I once asked Stiggles how it was done but didn't get a reply).

    You didn't get a reply? You did, months ago!!

    I told you that you needed a custom rom for it. You seem to forget replies a lot don't you?

    Unbelievable......
  • calico_piecalico_pie Posts: 10,060
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    swordman wrote: »
    :eek: 10's of millions of 5s's sold already you say wow!!!, how many of these 10's are we talking about exactly? must be between 6 and 10 is it from the way you describe it?

    So to clarify are you saying that there are more 5s's than NFC enabled phones? .... because I would guessimate that there must be 10's and 10's of millions of NFC enabled phones.

    Or are you saying that of those 10's and 10's of millions of NFC enabled phones everyone is like you and has no use for NFC, is that what your saying? :D

    How must it be between 6 and 10? :confused: Plural usually starts at 2.

    I think its reasonable to assume that a majority of 5S users will be using Touch ID.

    And it seems fairly clear that NFC still hasn't really taken off. When this came up before someone posted a link to a survey where people listed the features they were looking for in a new phone, and only 4% said NFC.
  • swordmanswordman Posts: 6,679
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    calico_pie wrote: »
    How must it be between 6 and 10? :confused: Plural usually starts at 2.

    It would be reasonable to assume that if the figure meant was indeed say 20 or 30 million then saying that would be better and more accurate for these purposes. Claiming 10's of millions implies that the figure is beyond low multiples and is high enough to not be able to quantify accurately, hence numbers of 10's and not just two (20 million)

    Perhaps as usual your reasoning is different to everyone else's.
    calico_pie wrote: »
    I think its reasonable to assume that a majority of 5S users will be using Touch ID.

    Possibly is I would assume also, also reasonable to assume a high proportion of people with NFC phones, hundreds of millions + have used NFC at some point ... and?
    calico_pie wrote: »
    And it seems fairly clear that NFC still hasn't really taken off. When this came up before someone posted a link to a survey where people listed the features they were looking for in a new phone, and only 4% said NFC.

    Sorry how does that in any way prove that NFC hasn't taken off what a ridiculous statement. It would be way down on my list too doesn't mean I don't want it or don't use it :confused: You seem to be confusing two very separate issues. I am sure say a high percentage of iphone users want a bigger screen does that make retina screens a flop?
  • calico_piecalico_pie Posts: 10,060
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    swordman wrote: »
    It would be reasonable to assume that if the figure meant was indeed say 20 or 30 million then saying that would be better and more accurate for these purposes. Claiming 10's of millions implies that the figure is beyond low multiples and is high enough to not be able to quantify accurately, hence numbers of 10's and not just two (20 million)

    Perhaps as usual your reasoning is different to everyone else's.

    Which reasoning? The reasoning that plural starts at 2? I think that's just standard reasoning.
    Possibly is I would assume also, also reasonable to assume a high proportion of people with NFC phones, hundreds of millions + have used NFC at some point ... and?

    Nope - that's a far less reasonable assumption.
    Sorry how does that in any way prove that NFC hasn't taken off what a ridiculous statement. It would be way down on my list too doesn't mean I don't want it or don't use it :confused: You seem to be confusing two very separate issues. I am sure say a high percentage of iphone users want a bigger screen does that make retina screens a flop?

    Well, it wasn't meant to prove anything, but I think it highlights that it isn't really in the forefront of people's minds.

    If it was way down on your list, you would presumably still have ticked the box marked 'NFC'? Unlike the 96% in that survey.

    I'd be pretty sure if I asked people I know if they'd used NFC, most would reply "What's NFC?".
  • swordmanswordman Posts: 6,679
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    If that is how you interpret everything in the strictest possible terms, you must have a very sad life to lack such individuality of thought.


    Less reasonable? why is that exactly, a very big assumption, based on what exactly?


    The same as a fingerprint scanner would be way down the list of features sought in an iphone, (well until apple told you otherwise) but people use it as they have it. I would also assume less than more people use GPS on their phones, doesn't mean they would wish to be without it.

    Depends on the survey and how many features you could list etc, as a top 5 for example then no. If it was an endless list, which i doubt, then yes.

    I would not be surprised if none of you friends knew what NFC was either ;)
  • calico_piecalico_pie Posts: 10,060
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    swordman wrote: »
    If that is how you interpret everything in the strictest possible terms, you must have a very sad life to lack such individuality of thought.


    Less reasonable? why is that exactly, a very big assumption, based on what exactly?


    The same as a fingerprint scanner would be way down the list of features sought in an iphone, (well until apple told you otherwise) but people use it as they have it. Depends on the survey and how many features you could list etc, as a top 5 for example then no. If it was an endless list, which i doubt, then yes.

    I would not be surprised if none of you friends knew what NFC was either ;)

    Your making assumptions about how sad my life is, and how I lack "individuality of thought" based on that? Are you taking the piss? :D

    Its based on a couple of things:

    1. 5S users are prompted to set up Touch ID by default. It takes seconds to set up, and will then be used all the time.

    2. Like it or not, NFC hasn't really caught on yet.

    So yes, its reasonable to think that a higher proportion of 5S users are using Touch ID, than the proportion of people with NFC equipped phones are using NFC.

    As for not being surprised - I'm not sure why you're winking. The reason is just that NFC isn't a widely known and used technology.

    What did you think was the reason?
  • swordmanswordman Posts: 6,679
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    Well anyone in the context of the paragraph in question thinks that it possibly meant 2x10's or 20 million, must live their life in a very pedantic state. Struggling so obviously to take inference from written words.

    1. Being prompted and cajoled into using something is not an indicator of whether such a thing is actually wanted or needed.

    2. An assumption based on what? backed up with what facts, other than your prejudice?

    As above not widely used or recognised tech, by whose standard, how are defining such a sweeping statement exactly?
  • swordmanswordman Posts: 6,679
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    Theres a coincidence, I have been looking for a phone for someone to an exact budget. Amongst others i have been looking at was the P6.

    Just been looking at the techradar review as I am posting and lo and behold what do they say ..........
    We disliked

    The lack of NFC and 4G also sets the Ascned P6 back from the forefront of the mobile market, as missing two of the latest mobile technological breakthroughs ................................

    Seems some people in the know place some importance on it ;)
  • Zack06Zack06 Posts: 28,304
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    To all those trying to argue against NFC, what exactly is the advantage of not having it on a device? AFAIK, NFC is not an expensive technology and doesn't seem to need anything particularly challenging to facilitate it.

    There may not be very many practical applications for it just yet, but I don't think that's a means to argue against it, it just shows a lack of forward thinking to do so. I remember front-facing cameras being useless for years until Skype came along.
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    swordman wrote: »
    Seems some people in the know place some importance on it ;)

    Ha. To be fair, you can also find articles where analysts say it's already a dead technology for mobiles and that payment using NFC in phones isn't going to catch on.

    Personally I wouldn't go that far, and I'm certainly not saying that the absence of NFC in a phone is any kind of advantage. Simply, I don't think it has caught on yet in any meaningful way. It doesn't yet have mass market appeal or functions.

    All that might well change with the arrival of the Visa app, though.
  • calico_piecalico_pie Posts: 10,060
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    swordman wrote: »
    Theres a coincidence, I have been looking for a phone for someone to an exact budget. Amongst others i have been looking at was the P6.

    Just been looking at the techradar review as I am posting and lo and behold what do they say ..........

    Seems some people in the know place some importance on it ;)

    Yeah, because TechRadar is a such good reflection of the general public.
  • swordmanswordman Posts: 6,679
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    What does this caught on mean exactly, how is this being quantified exactly?

    I have used it for payments I think twice, however I use it often for other things. Can we then say that bluetooth hasn't caught on or GPS as it is not used by everyone on a daily basis?

    What about NFC hasn't caught on in a meaningful way exactly?
  • calico_piecalico_pie Posts: 10,060
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    Zack06 wrote: »
    To all those trying to argue against NFC, what exactly is the advantage of not having it on a device? AFAIK, NFC is not an expensive technology and doesn't seem to need anything particularly challenging to facilitate it.

    There may not be very many practical applications for it just yet, but I don't think that's a means to argue against it, it just shows a lack of forward thinking to do so. I remember front-facing cameras being useless for years until Skype came along.

    No-one is arguing against NFC.
  • swordmanswordman Posts: 6,679
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    calico_pie wrote: »
    Yeah, because TechRadar is a such good reflection of the general public.

    A lot better than you :D

    So what are you basing your assumption on that no one uses NFC again you haven't said as yet?
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 13,367
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    swordman wrote: »
    What does this caught on mean exactly, how is this being quantified exactly?

    I have used it for payments I think twice, however I use it often for other things. Can we then say that bluetooth hasn't caught on or GPS as it is not used by everyone on a daily basis?

    What about NFC hasn't caught on in a meaningful way exactly?

    Specifically, I mean and said NFC in mobiles. As has already been discussed, its uses are pretty niche at the moment. You can't seriously be comparing it to GPS in terms of current usage and usefulness in mobiles.

    Again, I'm not saying some people don't use it. I'm not saying it isn't very useful for some people. I'm simply saying that I don't think it's reached mass market appeal yet.
  • StigglesStiggles Posts: 9,618
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    calico_pie wrote: »
    No-one is arguing against NFC.

    Yes they are. tdenson is. He claimed a few days ago it was a gimmick. A few others on here have as well.
  • StigglesStiggles Posts: 9,618
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    Specifically, I mean and said NFC in mobiles. As has already been discussed, its uses are pretty niche at the moment. You can't seriously be comparing it to GPS in terms of current usage and usefulness in mobiles.

    Again, I'm not saying some people don't use it. I'm not saying it isn't very useful for some people. I'm simply saying that I don't think it's reached mass market appeal yet.

    As has been asked. Whats the problem in including it in mobiles? The point here is the choice is there for users to either use it or not. With apple you have no such choice if you wanted to use it.

    Surely having it is better than not having it?
  • swordmanswordman Posts: 6,679
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    Specifically, I mean and said NFC in mobiles. As has already been discussed, its uses are pretty niche at the moment. You can't seriously be comparing it to GPS in terms of current usage and usefulness in mobiles.

    Again, I'm not saying some people don't use it. I'm not saying it isn't very useful for some people. I'm simply saying that I don't think it's reached mass market appeal yet.

    I'm talking mobiles too.

    I'm not sure how mass market appeal in something like NFC can be quantified. how can you quantify as mentioned such a thing as bluetooth or GPS. I would bet very few people use GPS on their phones, certainly not what would equate to anything that could be classed as mass market appeal. GPS is very handy but I would bet only for some and could also be classed as "niche". Same argument applies to bluetooth as well.

    However i would never argue against them, never claim them to be pointless or wish to be without them.

    The same would apply to a finger print scanner, pretty pointless generally, not something anywhere near the top of my list of wants in a phone. However I would have one and then decide if I wanted to use it (although would choose NFC before that any day)
  • calico_piecalico_pie Posts: 10,060
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    Stiggles wrote: »
    Yes they are. tdenson is. He claimed a few days ago it was a gimmick. A few others on here have as well.

    I didn't get the impression that anyone is arguing against having it.

    The impression I had was just that some people (myself probably included) were commenting about how, contrary to what some people would have us believe, owners of phones without NFC aren't missing out on that much.
  • calico_piecalico_pie Posts: 10,060
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    swordman wrote: »
    A lot better than you :D

    So what are you basing your assumption on that no one uses NFC again you haven't said as yet?

    Really? So isn't TechRadar a specialist tech orientated website?

    I haven't said that "no-one used NFC".

    Not for the first time, but why do you always misquote people like this?
  • StigglesStiggles Posts: 9,618
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    swordman wrote: »
    I'm talking mobiles too.

    I'm not sure how mass market appeal in something like NFC can be quantified. how can you quantify as mentioned such a thing as bluetooth or GPS. I would bet very few people use GPS on their phones, certainly not what would equate to anything that could be classed as mass market appeal. GPS is very handy but I would bet only for some and could also be classed as "niche". Same argument applies to bluetooth as well.

    However i would never argue against them, never claim them to be pointless or wish to be without them.

    The same would apply to a finger print scanner, pretty pointless generally, not something anywhere near the top of my list of wants in a phone. However I would have one and then decide if I wanted to use it.

    Indeed. I think i have used BT about twice since i got a mobile phone. Most recently is with my new soundbar. I used NFC to pair it automatically. GPS, i think i have used that about 3 times. Only on holiday. Most people i know have never used GPS as most have sat navs in their cars.

    Like you, i wouldn't argue against them or call them gimmicks!!
  • StigglesStiggles Posts: 9,618
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    calico_pie wrote: »
    I didn't get the impression that anyone is arguing against having it.

    The impression I had was just that some people (myself probably included) were commenting about how, contrary to what some people would have us believe, owners of phones without NFC aren't missing out on that much.

    Have you been reading at all?...

    Contrary to who and what has been said?
  • calico_piecalico_pie Posts: 10,060
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    swordman wrote: »
    I'm talking mobiles too.

    I'm not sure how mass market appeal in something like NFC can be quantified. how can you quantify as mentioned such a thing as bluetooth or GPS. I would bet very few people use GPS on their phones, certainly not what would equate to anything that could be classed as mass market appeal. GPS is very handy but I would bet only for some and could also be classed as "niche". Same argument applies to bluetooth as well.

    However i would never argue against them, never claim them to be pointless or wish to be without them.

    The same would apply to a finger print scanner, pretty pointless generally, not something anywhere near the top of my list of wants in a phone. However I would have one and then decide if I wanted to use it (although would choose NFC before that any day)

    re BIB

    I don't think using a maps app on your phone to see where you are, or are going, is niche at all.

    I would have thought that was a very common use of a smartphone.
  • calico_piecalico_pie Posts: 10,060
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    Stiggles wrote: »
    Have you been reading at all?...

    Contrary to who and what has been said?

    Yes, I've been reading.

    Contrary to all the stuff posted in the past about how important a feature NFC is, and how lacking the iPhone is without it.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 13,367
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    Stiggles wrote: »
    As has been asked. Whats the problem in including it in mobiles? The point here is the choice is there for users to either use it or not. With apple you have no such choice if you wanted to use it.

    Surely having it is better than not having it?

    That's pretty much what I said in #261. I have no problem at all with it being included.
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