Brian Cox, Matthew Amroliwala, Karren Brady, Nick Hewer, Sophie Raworth, Alan Sugar - all played themselves in Power of Three - all exactly as they are today - and all doing exactly the jobs on exactly the same TV shows in exactly the same TV studio as they are today - not looking a day older, no change to the TV schedules, no changes at all.
So we're supposed to assume absolutely nothing - not one single thing - changes in the next 10 years - not so much as a wrinkle or a new hairdo - not a new backdrop for BBC news - the same TV shows with the same presenters looking exactly the same.
Really?
Moffat has already used contemporary celebs playing themselves to establish "the present" - like having Patrick Moore in 11th Hour.
It's ridiculous to say that all - every single one - of those well known, current faces from 2012 TV are still there and looking exactly the same ten years - or even five years from now. Those are not fictional characters being played by actors - they are today's people playing themselves - today.
Someone show me one single thing that in any way, shape or form indicates that the "home" scenes are set in "the future" - just one simple thing. There is zero suggestion of any such thing outside of this forum - and absolutely nothing in the show itself - but there are literally dozens of references to 2012 - from real-world people playing themselves to the script actually stating that the year is 2012.
I'm actually staggered by the shoe-horning - the excuses made to say why the Doctor took "the Ponds" to America in 2012 to get around the very obvious fact that they simply went to America - end of.
Please explain what shoe-horning is involved in simply watching The Power of Three and observing that it took place over the course of a year. Or that Amy told the Doctor on one occasion that it has been two years since she saw him.
Brian Cox, Matthew Amroliwala, Karren Brady, Nick Hewer, Sophie Raworth, Alan Sugar - all played themselves in Power of Three - all exactly as they are today - and all doing exactly the jobs on exactly the same TV shows in exactly the same TV studio as they are today - not looking a day older, no change to the TV schedules, no changes at all.
So we're supposed to assume absolutely nothing - not one single thing - changes in the next 10 years - not so much as a wrinkle or a new hairdo - not a new backdrop for BBC news - the same TV shows with the same presenters looking exactly the same.
Really?
Yes. That is the future technology you wanted to see - television is now being done entirely by animated versions of past tv stars. :rolleyes:
Yes. That is the future technology you wanted to see - television is now being done entirely by animated versions of past tv stars. :rolleyes:
Or maybe there's some magic plastic surgery that not only restores everyone to exactly how they looked in 2012, it even gives them their old TV shows back - except that this magic only exists for one week and everything else we've ever seen of the future in DW happens exactly either-side of that particular week.
Now, now - try to be a little more specific. You made a very precise claim - so what precisely showed or even hinted that a year had passed on earth?
What we did see in this series was the Ponds leaving their party and returning some time later but to exactly the same time tha they left - and that being spotted by Brian - unless he's supposed to have guessed that they'd been time travelling because they changed their clothes sometime during the previous 12 months.
Slightly less flippantly - from wikipedia - "Over the following year, Amy and Rory live out their lives. "
Feel free to go and correct wiki if you believe this to be wrong.
Be a gent and link to the particular wiki entry you are quoting from. I can provide a link saying that "Presley walked into the offices of Sun Records" - doesn't mean it happened yesterday.
A year has passed between the last series an the current one - references to real-time passing since then - like "we haven't seen you for ten months" fit into that period - no timey-wimey stuff involved.
And still waiting for someone to give a serious explanation for half a dozen real-world people playing themselves supposedly being exactly the same ten years from now.
Rory telling his Dad he's 31 when he should be about 26 and this was before Brian knew about The Doctor
That's because they carried on ageing whilst time-travelling. They spent months or years time-travelling and returned to the time they left. The date on the calendar hadn't moved but they were months or years older - that's why they talked about their friends noticing that they were ageing faster than them.
It just struck me that as far as the world is concerned - "the Ponds" disappeared sometime in 2012 - so what happened to all of their property and possessions - including that house?
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Maybe that vanished too and ended up in New York. A house move with a difference:D
That's because they carried on ageing whilst time-travelling. They spent months or years time-travelling and returned to the time they left. The date on the calendar hadn't moved but they were months or years older - that's why they talked about their friends noticing that they were ageing faster than them.
That was the whole point his own Dad who at this time knew nothing of The Doctor accepted the fact he was 31 and not 26 if he didn't when Rory told him his age his Dad would have corrected him.
The fact the said the cubes had been on Earth for a year
But they could have travelled back ten years in the Tardis or been to Pluto and back five times - all off camera, of course.
See - once you start playing the "it happened off camera" game, it can be applied by anyone at any time. There's zero proof that the last scene didn't happen before the first scene - in terms of calendar dates - the "year has passed " comment came earlier in the show and all sorts of things COULD have happened in between.
But they could have travelled back ten years in the Tardis or been to Pluto and back five times - all off camera, of course.
See - once you start playing the "it happened off camera" game, it can be applied by anyone at any time. There's zero proof that the last scene didn't happen before the first scene - in terms of calendar dates - the "year has passed " comment came earlier in the show and all sorts of things COULD have happened in between.
I thought we were on about Earth time a in The Power of Three a year had passed in Earth time for The Doctor ect 100 could have passed.
The point was were were talking about what the year was on Earth and it was stated the events of TPOT was taken over 1 year EARTH time so unless that was set in the past then what came after if had to come after 2012
The cubes were on Earth for a year. Brian filmed them every day. However, if you are now claiming the last scene in Power of Three might have happened before the earlier scenes, in terms of earth calendar dates, there is no point in this conversation. You appear to have lost all track of what has been happening in these stories.
To be fair to Minky, he's raised the one thing that is inconsistent with time passing and the Williams living a few years further on than 2012: The celebs that appeared in the episode being precisely as they are today, in 2012.
I for one hope that reality TV crap is gone sooner rather than later.:)
Also, it was strange that the test was to try and sell the cubes, of which there were millions just lying around and freely available. But then the programme really is tosh. The Apprentice, that is.
To be fair to Minky, he's raised the one thing that is inconsistent with time passing and the Williams living a few years further on than 2012: The celebs that appeared in the episode being precisely as they are today, in 2012.
I for one hope that reality TV crap is gone sooner rather than later.:)
Also, it was strange that the test was to try and sell the cubes, of which there were millions just lying around and freely available. But then the programme really is tosh. The Apprentice, that is.
Even if that story started in 2012, it didn't end in 2012. It didn't start in 2012 either, mind. Doctor Who doesn't appear to take place in our universe. It appears to take place in a universe where those shows and those stars are on tv a few years later than in ours.
Can anyone remind me when Harriet Jones was our prime minister?
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So we're supposed to assume absolutely nothing - not one single thing - changes in the next 10 years - not so much as a wrinkle or a new hairdo - not a new backdrop for BBC news - the same TV shows with the same presenters looking exactly the same.
Really?
Moffat has already used contemporary celebs playing themselves to establish "the present" - like having Patrick Moore in 11th Hour.
It's ridiculous to say that all - every single one - of those well known, current faces from 2012 TV are still there and looking exactly the same ten years - or even five years from now. Those are not fictional characters being played by actors - they are today's people playing themselves - today.
Someone show me one single thing that in any way, shape or form indicates that the "home" scenes are set in "the future" - just one simple thing. There is zero suggestion of any such thing outside of this forum - and absolutely nothing in the show itself - but there are literally dozens of references to 2012 - from real-world people playing themselves to the script actually stating that the year is 2012.
Please explain what shoe-horning is involved in simply watching The Power of Three and observing that it took place over the course of a year. Or that Amy told the Doctor on one occasion that it has been two years since she saw him.
Rory telling his Dad he's 31 when he should be about 26 and this was before Brian knew about The Doctor
The home scene at the end of The Power of Three was one year on from the home scene at the beginning.
Amy told the Doctor two years had passed since she last saw him.
Yes. That is the future technology you wanted to see - television is now being done entirely by animated versions of past tv stars. :rolleyes:
No it wasn't - what on earth makes you say that?
Watching it, mainly.
Or maybe there's some magic plastic surgery that not only restores everyone to exactly how they looked in 2012, it even gives them their old TV shows back - except that this magic only exists for one week and everything else we've ever seen of the future in DW happens exactly either-side of that particular week.
Feel free to go and correct wiki if you believe this to be wrong.
Now, now - try to be a little more specific. You made a very precise claim - so what precisely showed or even hinted that a year had passed on earth?
What we did see in this series was the Ponds leaving their party and returning some time later but to exactly the same time tha they left - and that being spotted by Brian - unless he's supposed to have guessed that they'd been time travelling because they changed their clothes sometime during the previous 12 months.
Be a gent and link to the particular wiki entry you are quoting from. I can provide a link saying that "Presley walked into the offices of Sun Records" - doesn't mean it happened yesterday.
A year has passed between the last series an the current one - references to real-time passing since then - like "we haven't seen you for ten months" fit into that period - no timey-wimey stuff involved.
And still waiting for someone to give a serious explanation for half a dozen real-world people playing themselves supposedly being exactly the same ten years from now.
That's because they carried on ageing whilst time-travelling. They spent months or years time-travelling and returned to the time they left. The date on the calendar hadn't moved but they were months or years older - that's why they talked about their friends noticing that they were ageing faster than them.
It would be cool if it turned out that the house he gave them was actually the Tardis with the chameleon circuit working.
That was the whole point his own Dad who at this time knew nothing of The Doctor accepted the fact he was 31 and not 26 if he didn't when Rory told him his age his Dad would have corrected him.
The fact the said the cubes had been on Earth for a year
But they could have travelled back ten years in the Tardis or been to Pluto and back five times - all off camera, of course.
See - once you start playing the "it happened off camera" game, it can be applied by anyone at any time. There's zero proof that the last scene didn't happen before the first scene - in terms of calendar dates - the "year has passed " comment came earlier in the show and all sorts of things COULD have happened in between.
I thought we were on about Earth time a in The Power of Three a year had passed in Earth time for The Doctor ect 100 could have passed.
The point was were were talking about what the year was on Earth and it was stated the events of TPOT was taken over 1 year EARTH time so unless that was set in the past then what came after if had to come after 2012
I for one hope that reality TV crap is gone sooner rather than later.:)
Also, it was strange that the test was to try and sell the cubes, of which there were millions just lying around and freely available. But then the programme really is tosh. The Apprentice, that is.
Even if that story started in 2012, it didn't end in 2012. It didn't start in 2012 either, mind. Doctor Who doesn't appear to take place in our universe. It appears to take place in a universe where those shows and those stars are on tv a few years later than in ours.
Can anyone remind me when Harriet Jones was our prime minister?