It would seem that for some, the more debased and vile the act, so young good looking men and old wrinkly women for instance, the bigger the turn on. Its the taboo that is sexual.
I wonder if that is related to attraction to children, taboo being the turn on not the child?
Me too, but then it's an uncomfortable subject. I do think though that the problem of paedophilia needs to be addressed in whichever ways might help to prevent people offending. It's always preferable to try to prevent sexual abuse than to wait for it to happen.
I feel so sorry for Sarah, what an awful life she has had.
I don't think people can help what they are attracted to tbh.
What they can help is how they act on it. He hasn't acted on it and doesn't want to. He wants help not to offend. Thats where the ''poor paedophile'' bit as you put it comes in. Attitudes like yours are what probably scare most of them into not seeking help, they know the sort of hate they will recieve
It appears that I'm the only person in the thread with that attitude so they have nothing to worry about their sick thoughts are accepted
I think pedophiles should get help if they want/need it.
The PIE thing is crazy. To support pedophilia is basically to support opression. Do you honestly think if the age of consent was reduced to four, that children would happily consent to having sex with adults and not feel hurt or traumatised? To support pedophilia is like supporting rape. We are basically saying that satisfying sexual urges takes precedence over a persons right to not to be touched against their will.
As i always say when subjects like this come up, someone being 'something' is only part of that person, i think that's what programs like this try to address. What i mean is someone might be a paedophile ... however they might also be a parent with a professional career, wide balanced group of friends and good social skills. i.e. their sexual preference is part of them but doesn't necessarily define who they are.
i suppose with all people that have an extreme and/or illegal slant e.g. paedophiles, rapists, murderers etc, you either take the 'BURN THEM ALL!!!!!' approach which essentially achieves nothing, or you attempt to learn/understand 'why' they do it in an attempt to prevent future crimes.
and no i don't think the legal system should treat these people lightly when found guilty of a crime.
remember, chances are you know a paedophile, maybe not an active one, but if you work in a place with a significant number of employees you're interacting with paedos, wife/husband abusers, alcoholics etc etc. Nothing but the law of averages ...
One thing that worries me is that constant reports of the very high numbers of paedophiles may end up giving the impression that paedophilia is actually just another variation of sexuality. I know that in some societies in the past it was seen as normal, eg Ancient Greece. It's not normal and thankfully some paedophiles recognise this themselves which is why they want help (though I'm not quite sure what help is available or effective).
The former schoolboy who is talking about his abuse is brave for speaking up, and being abused at such a young age is an awful thing to happen...but I can't help but wonder if some of his rebellious streak would have happened without the abuse.
He says that at 14 he was regularly 'jumping on trains from Reading to London, to have sex with groups of men' while I understand he was emotionally disturbed by his experience and no doubt confused about his sexuality, the way he told that story was like he was doing that under his own free will
I forget how thick some of the members of these forums are!!!!!
I know nothing i will say is going to sink in with you, i'll try one last time though shall i
No one is saying their thoughts are accepted, some people think perhaps where they have never acted on them and don't want to lets perhaps try and help them rather than demonize them as it is totally counter-productive
And you're not the only person on this thread with that opinion either from what i'm seeing here.
I don't think anyone can prevent the thoughts that come into another person's mind, but maybe they can prevent the person acting on those thoughts. I say 'maybe' because there's been no mention yet of how this might be done.
I don't think anyone can prevent the thoughts that come into another person's mind, but maybe they can prevent the person acting on those thoughts. .
This is basically what i think as well but some people on this thread don't want to hear it, they would rather continue with the 'anyone who is attracted to children even if they don't act on it and don't want to act on it are scum'
What they fail to realise is that this attitude doesn't help to prevent the abuse of children, it might even add to it by making some people too scared to get help to prevent them offending and they then go on to offend.
I was shocked to hear that 1 in 4 girls will be sexually abused before the age of 16. I suppose that means little in the context of paedophiles unless there is some breakdown of the statistic though. (e.g. sexually bullied by other girls at schools, groped by a teenage boy at a party). All abuse needs to be addressed of course but the implication wa s that 25% of girls are abused by paedophiles - I find that hard to believe.
Imo, i think that's an underestimate unfortunately. You have to remember that 25% is only the girls who have reported their abuse, many girls do not report it.
Sadly, I have had so many relatives, friends and too many others on forums share that they have had older adults be sexually inappropriate to them. I was also touched by an older relative. It's scary. there are more sexual predators out there than we care to think.
I can understand the point they're making about not being able to control the thoughts in their head, but what I can't understand is why paedophilia is so predatory. Being sexually attracted to a child is one thing, but why is that urge so strong that they have to go down the route of grooming, viewing images of abuse, raping and murdering???
I'm attracted to adult men, but I could quite easily live without them!!! This is why I find it hard to believe that paedophilia is simply just a sexual attraction. It is much more than that.
If there are treatment programmes in Europe that actually work, why don't we have them here? The only aim should be safeguarding children and it's pretty obvious the present approach isn't working, otherwise there wouldn't be a problem on the scale we have now.
I have to say I actually respect that this Eddie guy has never touched a child when he could have & there are clearly paedophiles out there who will & destroy kids lives.
I'm glad hes getting help and there definitely should be somewhere for people to go who have these thoughts. Not sure Id have much sympathy though for pedos who have actually abused kids.
I can understand the point they're making about not being able to control the thoughts in their head, but what I can't understand is why paedophilia is so predatory. Being sexually attracted to a child is one thing, but why is that urge so strong that they have to go down the route of grooming, viewing images of abuse, raping and murdering???
I'm attracted to adult men, but I could quite easily live without them!!! This is why I find it hard to believe that paedophilia is simply just a sexual attraction. It is much more than that.
It would be good to know how many paedophiles are actively predatory and how many never offend. I think that's one of the points the programme ought to be making more strongly.
This is basically what i think as well but some people on this thread don't want to hear it, they would rather continue with the 'anyone who is attracted to children even if they don't act on it and don't want to act on it are scum'
What they fail to realise is that this attitude doesn't help to prevent the abuse of children, it might even add to it by making some people too scared to get help to prevent them offending and they then go on to offend.
I wouldn't say "scum" but as sexual assault on a child is criminal, the perpetrator should be put away from society. I would go further to say that sexual desire of a child is madness and the perpetrator be sectioned to a mental institution.
Anyone that sexually abuses, rapes a new born baby has forfeited the right to live in a civilised society. Lock them up, missed their chance.
I'm one of those people pjw and if you seriously believe these perverts come forward for help, you are very naïve!
The former schoolboy who is talking about his abuse is brave for speaking up, and being abused at such a young age is an awful thing to happen...but I can't help but wonder if some of his rebellious streak would have happened without the abuse.
He says that at 14 he was regularly 'jumping on trains from Reading to London, to have sex with groups of men' while I understand he was emotionally disturbed by his experience and no doubt confused about his sexuality, the way he told that story was like he was doing that under his own free will
This isn't unusual. When a child is sexually abused, they tend to then become "sexualised" and will often then have a promiscuous attitude to sex at quite a young age. I wasn't at all surprised to hear his story. It can look like its under their own free will but actually as I say it's because they've been sexualised young.
I was sorry they only briefly mentioned Circles, the support group for a paedophile. My work has brought me in contact with a Circle. The idea is that it means the paedophile is less likely to become marginalised and alone and therefore less likely to offend, which means children are likely to remain safer. Which is the reason any of us who do any work regarding this subject, do what we do - not because we are trying to excuse the offender or paedophile but because if one less child is abused it's worthwhile
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I wonder if anyone watching now has recognised him
I wonder if that is related to attraction to children, taboo being the turn on not the child?
Me too, but then it's an uncomfortable subject. I do think though that the problem of paedophilia needs to be addressed in whichever ways might help to prevent people offending. It's always preferable to try to prevent sexual abuse than to wait for it to happen.
I feel so sorry for Sarah, what an awful life she has had.
It appears that I'm the only person in the thread with that attitude so they have nothing to worry about their sick thoughts are accepted
The PIE thing is crazy. To support pedophilia is basically to support opression. Do you honestly think if the age of consent was reduced to four, that children would happily consent to having sex with adults and not feel hurt or traumatised? To support pedophilia is like supporting rape. We are basically saying that satisfying sexual urges takes precedence over a persons right to not to be touched against their will.
i suppose with all people that have an extreme and/or illegal slant e.g. paedophiles, rapists, murderers etc, you either take the 'BURN THEM ALL!!!!!' approach which essentially achieves nothing, or you attempt to learn/understand 'why' they do it in an attempt to prevent future crimes.
and no i don't think the legal system should treat these people lightly when found guilty of a crime.
remember, chances are you know a paedophile, maybe not an active one, but if you work in a place with a significant number of employees you're interacting with paedos, wife/husband abusers, alcoholics etc etc. Nothing but the law of averages ...
You're not the only one.
I'm interested to know whether the has children in his life, and how he behaves towards them.
But why didnt anyone use common sense, i can't believe people didnt find it offensive even back then
He says that at 14 he was regularly 'jumping on trains from Reading to London, to have sex with groups of men' while I understand he was emotionally disturbed by his experience and no doubt confused about his sexuality, the way he told that story was like he was doing that under his own free will
Inference that is all I shall say since I'm thick
I'd have found PIE extremely offensive back then, but I never heard of them. Maybe they didn't really get as much publicity as is thought now.
This is basically what i think as well but some people on this thread don't want to hear it, they would rather continue with the 'anyone who is attracted to children even if they don't act on it and don't want to act on it are scum'
What they fail to realise is that this attitude doesn't help to prevent the abuse of children, it might even add to it by making some people too scared to get help to prevent them offending and they then go on to offend.
Imo, i think that's an underestimate unfortunately. You have to remember that 25% is only the girls who have reported their abuse, many girls do not report it.
Sadly, I have had so many relatives, friends and too many others on forums share that they have had older adults be sexually inappropriate to them. I was also touched by an older relative. It's scary. there are more sexual predators out there than we care to think.
I'm attracted to adult men, but I could quite easily live without them!!! This is why I find it hard to believe that paedophilia is simply just a sexual attraction. It is much more than that.
I'm glad hes getting help and there definitely should be somewhere for people to go who have these thoughts. Not sure Id have much sympathy though for pedos who have actually abused kids.
It would be good to know how many paedophiles are actively predatory and how many never offend. I think that's one of the points the programme ought to be making more strongly.
Anyone that sexually abuses, rapes a new born baby has forfeited the right to live in a civilised society. Lock them up, missed their chance.
I'm one of those people pjw and if you seriously believe these perverts come forward for help, you are very naïve!
This isn't unusual. When a child is sexually abused, they tend to then become "sexualised" and will often then have a promiscuous attitude to sex at quite a young age. I wasn't at all surprised to hear his story. It can look like its under their own free will but actually as I say it's because they've been sexualised young.
I was sorry they only briefly mentioned Circles, the support group for a paedophile. My work has brought me in contact with a Circle. The idea is that it means the paedophile is less likely to become marginalised and alone and therefore less likely to offend, which means children are likely to remain safer. Which is the reason any of us who do any work regarding this subject, do what we do - not because we are trying to excuse the offender or paedophile but because if one less child is abused it's worthwhile