I know an awful number of people who, just like husband and I, can only watch one episode a night. In my husband's case it is because it winds him up too much to take 2 in, in others they either go out (young'uns clubbing) or have an early night.
In any case, it is rather nice to spread it out, rather like stretching out your favourite chocolates, rather than scoffing them all in one go!
Anyway, when I threw out the suggestion about Strange, I was gobsmacked that several of you are thinking along the same lines too - or at least considering it. I don't actually think he is a killer, but I would not be at all surprised if he was involved in it somehow, or at least knows the killer. His "date" is awfully suspicious.
I would be a little disappointed, I think, if it turned out to be a straightforward massacre by the Danes. Morally, it would be just as bad, but I think I prefer the Taliban killed the villagers and the Danes just let it happen.
Two murdered since with another killed in a car accident a year earlier. But was it an accident?
Who was the woman that Ulrik met to go out on a date with that made Lund Jealous? Only saw the back of her head and looked like it could have been Karina?
Why did Raben make himself so clearly exposed to the CCTV cameras in the garage forecourt after making sure he would be remembered by those he asked for a lift? Was it a ploy to throw people of the scent while he doubled back for some other reason such as stealing the explosive?
I thought Raben set up the log block and the dummy, to get Lisbeth free?
Bad police work there when escorting a vital witness / suspect. They should have done a spin handbrake turn and got the hell away from the blockade.
(sorry for bring up points which I now see have already been discussed but only got to watch it Monday afternoon and need to mention things as I remember them - I will keep notes next time)
Bad police work there when escorting a vital witness / suspect. They should have done a spin handbrake turn and got the hell away from the blockade.
(sorry for bring up points which I now see have already been discussed but only got to watch it Monday afternoon and need to mention things as I remember them - I will keep notes next time)
Hi "g",
Are you prepared to have another "spoliered" go at predicting "hoodunnit", following on from your success at the start of TK1?
Why did Raben make himself so clearly exposed to the CCTV cameras in the garage forecourt after making sure he would be remembered by those he asked for a lift? Was it a ploy to throw people of the scent while he doubled back for some other reason such as stealing the explosive?
I'm pretty sure it was a ploy, the scene deliberately showed him looking at the cameras before going onto the forecourt and asking people for a lift over the bridge (in a way that would make him memorable) then, after a glance to the camera, he put his hood up again to cover his face. I thought it was so he could go to see the priest in town while the police looked elsewhere.
Ok so I watched The Killing for the 1st time after a recommendation from my mum & after reading this thread. I saw episodes 3 & 4 and probably caught the bulk of the action.
My theories/opinions.. (If I dare)
The priest.....hmmm I think he has something to do with it all.... The "Fellow Believer" contact sounds like someone with a religious background. The priest was their confident and was one of Raben's 1st ports of call.
Raben has made him self to 'known' he doesn't hide his face and is happy to approach people. He knows who is doing this.
The Justice Minister. Like a poster before said I feel we don't know as much as we should about him. whether it is because he has something to hide or because they have thrown someone into the job who would be a push over. except he isn't.
Lund. They are waiting for her to trip up / make a mistake. But for some reason they need her on the case. She is like a dog wearing fab knitware with a bone..
They should have done a spin handbrake turn and got the hell away from the blockade.
Since they knew that the murders could be part of a military cover up, and that it seemed likely a killer was on the loose targeting a shortlist that Lisbeth was probably on, AND since they knew the terrain - should they have even set off so casually as if they were going for a picnic in the woods?
Phew! I know he's attractive but would he have been soo attractive if he'd been called Ulrik? Can anyone actually pronounce Troels the way the Danes do? i.e. like a hot spring coming up unexpectedly from the earth!
I watched half of it without sound and tears were running down my face, then I got some headphones and watched it again and guffawed all the way through - I must have seen most MM at least twice!
a personal video recorder, that records to a hard drive.
Thanks, makes sense. Can films be downloaded and edited - is that how people do clips for You-Tube?
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Why did Strange tell Lund to stay in the car and why did Lund get out of the car and why did Lund tell Tomsen to stay in the car and why did Tomsen get out of the car? Why does nobody do as they are told in Denmark?
Is Buch really eating chocolate? Does he really have children or does he just want to create that impression at the office?
What will happen to the secretary/adviser who produced the package? Will she be run over? Would it not have made more sense to keep her in the Dept.?
I haven't looked at the episode again, but my first reaction to Strange's blonde date was that it was the clinical director. I thought that Lund recognised her straight away, but if so I find it very surprising that she didn't question Strange about how or from where he knew her, seeing as how he had already said he had been in the army.
I don't think Strange is a baddie, but he may well know more than he is letting on, and it wouldn't surprise me if Lund doubts his integrity at some stage.
I can't think of anyone in TK1 who was completely pure, and that could well be the case here - not that they commit murder but that they do other "morally wrong" things. In that sense the characters are much truer to life than most fictional detective series.
Thanks TU. By the way are you Danish or Scandinavian? Seems you know a lot about the area.
Regards
BK
PS
Tell me where to shove it if it's none of my business.
Hei barnsleykeith . Er jeg dansk :eek:? Jeg tror ikke det men jeg snakker et annet språk . Her er noen ledetråder :
(Phonetic: Hay, barnsleykeith. Ar yigh [to rhyme with sigh] dansk? Yigh tror ikkeh deh men yigh snakker et annesprawk. Har ar noh-en ledertror;
Translation: Hi barnsleykeith. Am I Danish? I don't think so but I do speak another language. Here are some clues :
Actually these days for work purposes, my only scientific and technical cooperation is with professional colleagues in France because of their particular biological expertise but I only know a little French I'm afraid .
Birgitte Agger. The liberals were keeping a brake on the anti-terror laws. Balancing the Peoples Party's more extreme needs. They bailed when the memo was leaked to them and it drove a wedge between her and Buch. So in the end more extreme laws could result?
Justice minister Buch actually comes across as quite a decent guy for a politician and one who's trying to do his best despite the pressures from elsewhere.
i love this show so much and started lurking on the thread during series one, its strange cos i feel like i know u all, half the pleasure of watching the killing was racing over here 2 read everyones theories ans comments, anyway i've decided to say hello and stop stalking lol
i am really enjoying series 2 so far, i love the music at the end, but it also makes me sad as it means another amazing episode has ended x
The good news is there's still more than half this series to go and, best of all, Forbrydelsen III is being filmed in Denmark right now and our favourite Danish detective, Sarah Lund, will get another chance to solve a crime. It's going to be shown in Denmark in autumn next year and it's also written by Søren Sveistrup (who's responsible for the first two series) so it should be good.
Now I know where to go for help with my Norsk homework
LOL yes . For an English speaker the pronounciation can take a bit of getting used to. For example if you see the combination of kø (Norwegian) or kö (Swedish) saying something like shur is a good approximation as in the town of Norrköping http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norrk%C3%B6ping [Norshurping] in Sweden.
LOL yes . For an English speaker the pronounciation can take a bit of getting used to. For example if you see the combination of kø (Norwegian) or kö (Swedish) saying something like shur is a good approximation as in the town of Norrköping http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norrk%C3%B6ping [Norshurping] in Sweden.
Hehe, yes the pronunciation does take a bit of getting used to... It took me ages to get close to pronouncing words beginning kj correctly and remembering when certain letters are silent, added to that things like having two words for the number seven and the regional variations, sometimes I get very confused It doesn't help that most of the online learning resources are in Southern dialects when the furthest South I have been in Norway is Narvik.
I have a sneaky feeling that broad Geordie is akin to Norwegian. Travelling on a local train in Northumberland, it was like people were speaking a foreign tongue! The historical influences of trade via port towns may be the reason for this. (And how my grandmother was able to learn Norwegian so quickly)
Two murdered since with another killed in a car accident a year earlier. But was it an accident?
Who was the woman that Ulrik met to go out on a date with that made Lund Jealous? Only saw the back of her head and looked like it could have been Karina?
Why did Raben make himself so clearly exposed to the CCTV cameras in the garage forecourt after making sure he would be remembered by those he asked for a lift? Was it a ploy to throw people of the scent while he doubled back for some other reason such as stealing the explosive?
Is HC even dead? I'm beginning to think body and DNA to confirm someone is dead, and they are who they say they are.
Is HC even dead? I'm beginning to think body and DNA to confirm someone is dead, and they are who they say they are.
I've been wondering about that too, BK. Maybe they want everyone to think they died. Maybe HC is Fellow Believer? (Don't know if anyone's said that already)
And Monberg wants to reopen the case, then gets taken seriously ill, the person investigating in Afghanistan ends up dead....who wants to stop things from being re-examined? Get rid of all the squad so no one can talk. HC is the key to this. Possibly, maybe....I think they could be trying to get rid of them all because they may have been the one who did the hideous deed in Afghanistan, whatever that was and doesn't want anything coming out. Oh I don't know
And I agree with whoever said they don't think Karina was having the affair with Monberg. I think she was covering for Anne/Monberg. She said it so matter-of-factly and she resigned so dispassionately it didn't ring true. She wasn't embarrassed, upset or bothered, particularly. The way she resigned was like 'oh well I suppose I'd better resign, ho hum' as if she'd just chipped her nail varnish or something! To me it seemed like this anyway, but I'm seeing things in the rewatch that probably don't exist:o
I've been wondering about that too, BK. Maybe they want everyone to think they died. Maybe HC is Fellow Believer? (Don't know if anyone's said that already)
And Monberg wants to reopen the case, then gets taken seriously ill, the person investigating in Afghanistan ends up dead....who wants to stop things from being re-examined? Get rid of all the squad so no one can talk. HC is the key to this. Possibly, maybe....I think they could be trying to get rid of them all because they may have been the one who did the hideous deed in Afghanistan, whatever that was and doesn't want anything coming out. Oh I don't know
And I agree with whoever said they don't think Karina was having the affair with Monberg. I think she was covering for Anne/Monberg. She said it so matter-of-factly and she resigned so dispassionately it didn't ring true. She wasn't embarrassed, upset or bothered, particularly. The way she resigned was like 'oh well I suppose I'd better resign, ho hum' as if she'd just chipped her nail varnish or something! To me it seemed like this anyway, but I'm seeing things in the rewatch that probably don't exist:o
The priest asked Raben was he sure it was Gruner who had been burnt to a crisp. Raben said he was sure. I'm getting so paranoid about the twists and turns I'm not sure now. Body/DNA/fingerprints. Make sure ID of the remains are confirmed. Same with this HC. Myg is definitely dead, I think:D:D:D
The priest asked Raben was he sure it was Gruner who had been burnt to a crisp. Raben said he was sure. I'm getting so paranoid about the twists and turns I'm not sure now. Body/DNA/fingerprints. Make sure ID of the remains are confirmed. Same with this HC. Myg is definitely dead, I think:D:D:D
I didn't explain it very well, BK. I meant maybe HC wants everyone to think they're dead or someone wants everyone to think HC is dead. I think Myg is dead, but maybe they just dragged some guy with no legs into it (a tramp who won't be missed!) and set fire to him to make people think it was Myg......see I'm going mad.........what a crazy idea:o:D Do you think I could be Sveistrup in disguise?:cool::D
Exactly. That's why I finding it a little bit suspicious. Lisbeth said they received an emergency radio call. Asking for help. But Lund says no such call was made/recieved(according to the report). Once again who is lying. The official report or Alpha squad.
Here's one possibility.
Alpha squad was lured in by a hoax emergency call. The bridge was booby trapped and took out their Piranha. Lisbeth stayed with the wounded. Raben and the rest of the squad went into the village. They were angry because their comrades had been hurt. Opened fire indiscriminately and killed women and children. The event was covered up.
Something like this happened with US soldiers in Iraq IIRC. Some soldiers were found guilty after court-martial.
Or rogue Danish officer theory is the correct one. What happened in the village is key to solving this mystery for me.
Right that's me done in here until Saturday. Absolutely my last word until then,probably
PS
Buch has a meeting with the PM and Minister of Defence. He say ''other things are blurring the picture''. No shit Sherlock:D:D
If the RDO theory was true what's the reasoning behind covering up and denying his unit's presence?
Were the RDO and his squad some kind of clandestine unit who's presence in the area needed to be officially protected? Or maybe the individuals concerned were connected higher up in the political food chain? Or were the authorities just trying to limit the damage from the incident by laying blame at Raben's team's door? They couldn't deny their presence there after the casualties they'd received, and a vehicle out of action. Maybe the other unit could still make away?
I hope the RDO theory is correct, I'd prefer this not to go down the atrocity at the hands of 3-2 Alpha team route.
Whatever happened in the village, 2 soldiers died and Raben & Gruner were seriously injured, as well as Bo killed in the vehicle on the bridge. So even if some atrocity happened, they still experienced fire from someone else.
I've been wondering about that too, BK. Maybe they want everyone to think they died. Maybe HC is Fellow Believer? (Don't know if anyone's said that already)
And Monberg wants to reopen the case, then gets taken seriously ill, the person investigating in Afghanistan ends up dead....who wants to stop things from being re-examined? Get rid of all the squad so no one can talk. HC is the key to this. Possibly, maybe....I think they could be trying to get rid of them all because they may have been the one who did the hideous deed in Afghanistan, whatever that was and doesn't want anything coming out. Oh I don't know
And I agree with whoever said they don't think Karina was having the affair with Monberg. I think she was covering for Anne/Monberg. She said it so matter-of-factly and she resigned so dispassionately it didn't ring true. She wasn't embarrassed, upset or bothered, particularly. The way she resigned was like 'oh well I suppose I'd better resign, ho hum' as if she'd just chipped her nail varnish or something! To me it seemed like this anyway, but I'm seeing things in the rewatch that probably don't exist:o
I wouldn't be surpried if HC is alive and killing, or if he/she's FB too. But I'm suspecting everyone of some kind of subterfuge right now.
The look on Plough's face when Karina said she'd had an affair with Monberg was priceless. He hates being out side of that loop
If Karina didn't have the affair why would she want to distract Buch & Plough from thinking Monberg was having an affair with Anne? Or maybe she just wanted out of the job for whatever reason?
Comments
K
In any case, it is rather nice to spread it out, rather like stretching out your favourite chocolates, rather than scoffing them all in one go!
Anyway, when I threw out the suggestion about Strange, I was gobsmacked that several of you are thinking along the same lines too - or at least considering it. I don't actually think he is a killer, but I would not be at all surprised if he was involved in it somehow, or at least knows the killer. His "date" is awfully suspicious.
I would be a little disappointed, I think, if it turned out to be a straightforward massacre by the Danes. Morally, it would be just as bad, but I think I prefer the Taliban killed the villagers and the Danes just let it happen.
Who was the woman that Ulrik met to go out on a date with that made Lund Jealous? Only saw the back of her head and looked like it could have been Karina?
Why did Raben make himself so clearly exposed to the CCTV cameras in the garage forecourt after making sure he would be remembered by those he asked for a lift? Was it a ploy to throw people of the scent while he doubled back for some other reason such as stealing the explosive?
(sorry for bring up points which I now see have already been discussed but only got to watch it Monday afternoon and need to mention things as I remember them - I will keep notes next time)
Are you prepared to have another "spoliered" go at predicting "hoodunnit", following on from your success at the start of TK1?
K
But as I mentioned last week I think there is more to find out about the previous Justice Minister who has been like the elephant not in the room.
(my rented early season Wallender DVD from Lovefilm just plopped through the letter box so that is me sorted for this afternoon
My theories/opinions.. (If I dare)
The priest.....hmmm I think he has something to do with it all.... The "Fellow Believer" contact sounds like someone with a religious background. The priest was their confident and was one of Raben's 1st ports of call.
Raben has made him self to 'known' he doesn't hide his face and is happy to approach people. He knows who is doing this.
The Justice Minister. Like a poster before said I feel we don't know as much as we should about him. whether it is because he has something to hide or because they have thrown someone into the job who would be a push over. except he isn't.
Lund. They are waiting for her to trip up / make a mistake. But for some reason they need her on the case. She is like a dog wearing fab knitware with a bone..
Just my thoughts... probably very wrong
I wouldn't mind being the only viewer!
Was it Platoon or some other film, with Daniel Defoe and Tom Berenger, when something like that happened?
Phew! I know he's attractive but would he have been soo attractive if he'd been called Ulrik? Can anyone actually pronounce Troels the way the Danes do? i.e. like a hot spring coming up unexpectedly from the earth!
I watched half of it without sound and tears were running down my face, then I got some headphones and watched it again and guffawed all the way through - I must have seen most MM at least twice!
Thanks, makes sense. Can films be downloaded and edited - is that how people do clips for You-Tube?
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Why did Strange tell Lund to stay in the car and why did Lund get out of the car and why did Lund tell Tomsen to stay in the car and why did Tomsen get out of the car? Why does nobody do as they are told in Denmark?
Is Buch really eating chocolate? Does he really have children or does he just want to create that impression at the office?
What will happen to the secretary/adviser who produced the package? Will she be run over? Would it not have made more sense to keep her in the Dept.?
I don't think Strange is a baddie, but he may well know more than he is letting on, and it wouldn't surprise me if Lund doubts his integrity at some stage.
I can't think of anyone in TK1 who was completely pure, and that could well be the case here - not that they commit murder but that they do other "morally wrong" things. In that sense the characters are much truer to life than most fictional detective series.
or maybe this is because of his amnesia ???
Hei barnsleykeith
(Phonetic: Hay, barnsleykeith. Ar yigh [to rhyme with sigh] dansk? Yigh tror ikkeh deh men yigh snakker et annesprawk. Har ar noh-en ledertror;
Translation: Hi barnsleykeith. Am I Danish? I don't think so but I do speak another language. Here are some clues
http://filosofaen.no/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Norges-flagg.gif
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=kart+over+Norge&hl=en&gbv=2&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=54HTTsrkI82n8gOAsL3vDw&ved=0CCAQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=571
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUtiIMZIVOU
In addition to our beloved Forbrydelsen, there are a couple of other gems that also come from Denmark. Firstly, there's the Silkeborg Lake District in Jutland http://www.silkeborg.com/international/en-gb/menu/tourist and the magnificent, but little known, Danish painter Peder Mønsted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peder_M%C3%B8rk_M%C3%B8nsted. You can see some of his paintings here http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=peder+monsted&hl=en&gbv=2&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=vgzVTu7IJYma8gPr6LCXAg&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CC0Q_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=571 and what I love about his work is the photograph-like quality of his work http://www.artrenewal.org/artwork/736/736/37636/Monsted_Peder_Vandlob_I_Skoven_1911_Oil_on_Canvas-large.jpg. Awesome or what?
Actually these days for work purposes, my only scientific and technical cooperation is with professional colleagues in France because of their particular biological expertise but I only know a little French I'm afraid
Justice minister Buch actually comes across as quite a decent guy for a politician and one who's trying to do his best despite the pressures from elsewhere.
The good news is there's still more than half this series to go and, best of all, Forbrydelsen III is being filmed in Denmark right now and our favourite Danish detective, Sarah Lund, will get another chance to solve a crime. It's going to be shown in Denmark in autumn next year and it's also written by Søren Sveistrup (who's responsible for the first two series) so it should be good.
LOL yes
Is HC even dead? I'm beginning to think body and DNA to confirm someone is dead, and they are who they say they are.
I've been wondering about that too, BK. Maybe they want everyone to think they died. Maybe HC is Fellow Believer? (Don't know if anyone's said that already)
And Monberg wants to reopen the case, then gets taken seriously ill, the person investigating in Afghanistan ends up dead....who wants to stop things from being re-examined? Get rid of all the squad so no one can talk. HC is the key to this. Possibly, maybe....I think they could be trying to get rid of them all because they may have been the one who did the hideous deed in Afghanistan, whatever that was and doesn't want anything coming out. Oh I don't know
And I agree with whoever said they don't think Karina was having the affair with Monberg. I think she was covering for Anne/Monberg. She said it so matter-of-factly and she resigned so dispassionately it didn't ring true. She wasn't embarrassed, upset or bothered, particularly. The way she resigned was like 'oh well I suppose I'd better resign, ho hum' as if she'd just chipped her nail varnish or something! To me it seemed like this anyway, but I'm seeing things in the rewatch that probably don't exist:o
Maybe Karina was the blonde Anne's husband was seeing? Is that the one Ulrik said was extremely blonde or was it 'very' blonde?
This is making my head sore:eek: I might have to go and lie down in a dark room:D
The priest asked Raben was he sure it was Gruner who had been burnt to a crisp. Raben said he was sure. I'm getting so paranoid about the twists and turns I'm not sure now. Body/DNA/fingerprints. Make sure ID of the remains are confirmed. Same with this HC. Myg is definitely dead, I think:D:D:D
I didn't explain it very well, BK. I meant maybe HC wants everyone to think they're dead or someone wants everyone to think HC is dead. I think Myg is dead, but maybe they just dragged some guy with no legs into it (a tramp who won't be missed!) and set fire to him to make people think it was Myg......see I'm going mad.........what a crazy idea:o:D Do you think I could be Sveistrup in disguise?:cool::D
Nurse!!! My medication please!
If the RDO theory was true what's the reasoning behind covering up and denying his unit's presence?
Were the RDO and his squad some kind of clandestine unit who's presence in the area needed to be officially protected? Or maybe the individuals concerned were connected higher up in the political food chain? Or were the authorities just trying to limit the damage from the incident by laying blame at Raben's team's door? They couldn't deny their presence there after the casualties they'd received, and a vehicle out of action. Maybe the other unit could still make away?
I hope the RDO theory is correct, I'd prefer this not to go down the atrocity at the hands of 3-2 Alpha team route.
Whatever happened in the village, 2 soldiers died and Raben & Gruner were seriously injured, as well as Bo killed in the vehicle on the bridge. So even if some atrocity happened, they still experienced fire from someone else.
I tried that, it doesn't help! :mad:
If the extremely blonde throwaway line has got legs, I can only see either Karina or the clinical director also being Mr Dragsholm's mistress.
Or Mr Dragsholm's mistress and Strange's date are one and the same.
Either way would add another layer to the plot.
I wouldn't be surpried if HC is alive and killing, or if he/she's FB too. But I'm suspecting everyone of some kind of subterfuge right now.
The look on Plough's face when Karina said she'd had an affair with Monberg was priceless. He hates being out side of that loop
If Karina didn't have the affair why would she want to distract Buch & Plough from thinking Monberg was having an affair with Anne? Or maybe she just wanted out of the job for whatever reason?