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Is Beyonce Currently Bigger Than Mariah Used To Be (In the US)
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I was thinking about this, and I can't decide on a definite answer. I absolutely think Mariah had more respect in the industry than Beyonce has right now (or will have). Mariah also achieved much more in a shorter space of time - I'd say that she had already reached the current status of Beyonce in the space of 4 albums over 5 years compared to Beyonce who is on her 4th album in 10 years.
Then on the other hand, Beyonce appears to be more of a household name/"social symbol" than Mariah ever was. Purely on terms of chart success, Mariah obviously is miles ahead. I would say that where they are equal is when we compare Beyonce's reputation as a performer and Mariah's reputation as a brilliant singer, BOTH of which were earned within an astonishingly fast period of time (Both Beyonce and Mariah's debut singles already paved the way to establishing these two reputations).
Beyonce is bigger here in the UK than Mariah was though,
Then on the other hand, Beyonce appears to be more of a household name/"social symbol" than Mariah ever was. Purely on terms of chart success, Mariah obviously is miles ahead. I would say that where they are equal is when we compare Beyonce's reputation as a performer and Mariah's reputation as a brilliant singer, BOTH of which were earned within an astonishingly fast period of time (Both Beyonce and Mariah's debut singles already paved the way to establishing these two reputations).
Beyonce is bigger here in the UK than Mariah was though,
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This is incredibly one sided. Beyonce worked her arse off with DC to get to the top and had her father and Jay, yes, but Mariah was shagging a label exec when she came out, so they both had a lot of help to get to where they are.
Beyonce by now might be more respected in the industry, but I don't know if she's bigger in the UK than Mariah was at her peak. Not sure about that one... Depends. She's definitely bigger in America, she's like an industry out there, but where the music industry is concerned, there are very few artists that don't respect Beyonce and she has had praise from most of the big legends. Paul McCartney was at her show last week, she performed with Prince and Tina Turner, she's had a lot of praise heaped on her by icons like Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson. Don't know if Mariah ever reached that level of respect. There's more opinions in the industry than just Simon Cowell's.
Mariah was lucky enough to peak twice in her career (Daydream-Butterfly, '96-'98, and Emancipation of Mimi, 05-onwards), the second time without the help of "shagging a label exec". Besides, after the embarrassment that was 'Glitter', Mariah's post 2005 success made it that much more significant.
Overall, I would say Beyoncé is massive right now, but people who were not around/paying attention to the industry when Mariah was the imperial songbird that people made her out to be wouldn't realise just how big Mariah was. Especially in the US. Plus, she's also very successful in Japan and they tend to disregard the majority of US/UK-based artists.
Yes, but again, Beyoncé is in her peak. No one trash talked Mariah before 'Glitter' happened, from then on out it just became easy for anyone to throw insults at her, like how she was a "****" and a "diva". One wrong move from Beyoncé and she will lose that respect. Mariah was clever enough to gain in back, but she returned to prominence when the music climate was in a sort-of shallow state.
Mariah has been praised by so many artists, Aretha Franklin, Patti Labelle, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson and the list goes on and on. She's performed with lots of artists, including Luther Vandross, Aretha Franklin, Patti Labelle, Pavarotti, Diana Ross. Even rappers site Mariah as a major influence on their careers. I appreciate that Beyonce is your favourite artist but I think it's ignorant to say that only Simon Cowell respects Mariah in the industry.
I think some people her are too young to remember just how big Mariah was in her prime. I mean even if we look at the US, Mariah has had a lot more success there than Beyonce has. I mean she had more number ones than any solo artists, sold more albums than Beyonce has in America and worldwide. She is the biggest selling Non-Japanese artist EVER in Japan. As for her UK success, I think she was bigger but Beyonce has sustained her success in the UK longer than Mariah did. I'm not trying to out Beyonce down. She has been very successful and achieved a lot.
Exactly, I would say even now Beyonce is getting some stick because her latest album has not been as successful as her previous album. No-one stays at the top forever.
Also, Mariah is basically irrelevent right now. There's no new artists coming up in the same mould has her that are achieving success, her last record got average reviews and flopped bad, and apart from that she just doesn't look interested anymore, and hasn't done for several years.
To say Mariah isn't respected in the industry is just a big load of crap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-buyRabOmo
I remember as i child every little girl wants to be able to sing like Mariah,
According to Wikipedia 'Glitter' came out in 2001. Mariah Carey was long past her peak by the point. I'm just scanning her discography now and the only hits I remember are Heartbreaker, Against All Odds (:yawn:), We Belong Together, Without You, All I Want For Christmas and Hero. That's discounting all the covers she's done such as I'll Be There and I Want To Know What Love Is which I remember but not because she sang them. Just looking at chart positions her peak seems to be 1993-1996 with ups and downs ever since. Beyonce's peak has lasted longer. If you take Destiny's Child into it she's been popular continuously since 1998. Carey will always have the upper hand in sales
since she came out long before illegal downloading. I think people were disrespectful of Carey long before 2001. I've rarely heard a good word said about her even at her peak.
To be honest, Mariah doesn't need to do anything now at this point in her career. She has made it and can sit back. She is known all over the world. Her work is respected especially in the RnB community. She opened the door for a lot of the younger RnB female artists. She was one of the artists that brought RnB/Hip-hop to the mainstream. Which opened the doors for Beyonce and co.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpC-cJvVRYQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5Wf1cziYf0&feature=related
I can't see people losing all respect for Beyoncé if she does one thing wrong. Well I guess it depends what it is, but I can't see that happening. Too many people have said so many good things it just can't be forgotten. Same with Mariah really. People may have got put of with Mariah because of the way her music changed. I don't know, I remember a lot of people slating her in that video where she's at a race court with a bikini on. I wasn't really following music at that time, but the breakdown didn't help.
People went off Mariah because she moved into RnB and Hip-hop and alienated her core audience. On top of this for the first 6 years of her career she was promoted as the lovely girl next door, she had a wholesome image and was seen as respectable. Around the time that she made the dramatic change in her musical sound she also started wearing a lot less clothes and totally changed her image. To most of her core audience and the general public she went from respectable girl next door to ****. Coupled with this she went through a nasty divorce with the head of her record company and this lead to a lot of difficulties at the Sony Label. They sabotaged her career for the next 2 years and in the end she paid them to let her out of her record deal early. Then her breakdown was the final nail in the Coffin.
Mariah was immensely popular throughout the entire 90s. If I recall, she's the only artist with the feat of having number one singles in every year of the 90s. Music Box started off her major, worldwide popularity, Daydream was her evolving sucessfully as an artist and therefore becoming even bigger, and Butterfly was her most career defining album, with one song even reshaping the charts ('Fantasy' Remix featuring O.D.B).
What to consider about Beyoncé is the fact that she was not always here as a solo artist. Destiny's Child were a very successfull pop-group, and Beyoncé was not the only member. If it was just her on her own from the beginning who's to say that she would even be around now?
Also, I'll have to repeat myself here: Mariah has peaked twice. I can't think of any other artists who peak twice. Even Britney who has come back with a bang following the infamous breakdown is no way near as popular as she used to be. Mariah came back and had the biggest hit of her entire career: We Belong Together.
Furthermore, 21 years down the line, Mariah can still provide a hit album. Will Beyoncé still be here and popular in 10 years? I hope so, but time will tell.
Mariah had an article written about her by Stevie Wonder infact in a Time Magazine top 100 influential people. He even said something like "When girls say they want to sing, what the really mean is that they want to be able to sing like Whitney, Mariah and Aretha". She has worked with so many people, and is known for actualyl writing all her material, which is something Beyonce has controversy over. Either way, Mariah actually writes the melodies rather than doing the lyrics on their own. The industry knows that she actualyl writes all of her stuff right from when she was in school. Well, everyone except Simon Cowell!
Some facts:
26 top ten singles
6th best selling singles female artist
16 silver albums
14 gold albums
7 platinum albums
3 multi-platinum
She's done well.
Wow! I had no idea! I thought she never reached the top 25 here