Radio commentary is clearly nothing like TV commentary. Using radio commentary on TV would be like listening to foreign commentators who don't know that it's OK to say nothing sometimes. I know some people listen to 5 Live whilst watching TV but most people probably wouldn't like it. You don't need every pass described in detail.
I have also noticed when having 5live commentary on BBC TV matches, 5live commentators do not describe what I can see, so x player has just passed to y player, and y player shoots and scores!! the 5live commentary will be Alan Green talking about the humidity or something, and then he will only start describing the action, when y player is just about to shoot!
Radio commentary is clearly nothing like TV commentary. Using radio commentary on TV would be like listening to foreign commentators who don't know that it's OK to say nothing sometimes. I know some people listen to 5 Live whilst watching TV but most people probably wouldn't like it. You don't need every pass described in detail.
Radio is different to TV. In radio you have to keep speeking to tell the listeners what is happening whilst on tv you don't.
I remember when ITV had the football league on a regional match. LWT would have a commentator whilst Tyne Tees had another for the same match.
World Cup ratings war after Day 7 - average shares so far:
BBC - 39pct [36pct excluding England]
Itv - 30pct
BBC maintaining their 9 point lead over Itv in the World Cup ratings war, confirming that for the first week of the tournament it has been the Beeb who has chosen the better matches, as well as the fact Itv weekly reach crisis means more limited figures for the commercial brodacasters. An estimated share of 60pct for Itv tonight would still mean the BBC winning by about 6 points after tonights ratings by the way.
It had all gone so swimmingly for the newest member of the James Cannon breakfast show on BBC Surrey - until Wednesday's World Cup match between Spain and Chile.
Socrates the psychic fish had a perfect record of predicting the winners of World Cup matches, but slipped up after predicting Spain would emerge triumphant in its clash on Wednesday. Instead, Chile beat the champions 2-0.
According to Socrates' official Twitter account, he's 'woken up feeling more deflated than a puffer fish with a puncture'.
Breakfast producer Matt Graveling is willing to give the fish the benefit of the doubt before scaling back his duties. 'I don't think the world was expecting that [result],' he tells Ariel.
Socrates has another chance to redeem his reputation with Thursday's match between England and Uruguay.
To the relief of his producer, the goldfish has predicted the home side will win, meaning that Graveling will not have divided loyalties.
'Gutted' England fan
The 1-1 draw proved controversial until the video was played back It was a different story when the fish predicted England would lose against Italy, he explains. 'As a producer, I had this strange situation watching the Italy game where Italy scored and I was, like, gutted as an England fan but there was a little piece of me that thought, oh, at least the fish was right.'
The fish makes his predictions by swimming towards a flag, where food has been strategically placed.
A draw is called when the fish swims between the two flags, as he did for Russia's match against South Korea, which provoked some controversy.
The whole process is captured on video at 7.50am weekdays and put up on Facebook.
Soaring popularity
Socrates has been the star of Surrey's breakfast show - which is just over a year old - since the World Cup started. Currently, he's the most popular feature the show has ever done, with a record number of tweets, calls, emails and texts.
Graveling thinks it has engaged people because of the fish's record of getting results and his on-air persona, complemented by his Twitter account. He currently has about 75 followers happy to think up fish puns.
After his first mistake on Wednesday, one fan tweeted: 'Keep your fin up! You've been great. Plenty of time to have a 'pond-er' over your next prediction.'
The producer is keen to stress that Socrates' success has been a team effort, although the goldfish was originally his idea. The tank was bought with staff money and they even consulted a vet about the studio's conditions.
Codswallop?
When the tournament wraps up, Socrates will have a new home with breakfast show presenter Cannon and his three young boys.
Share a thought for Sky Sports/News. They are like a child who hasn't been invited to a party. They are trying to put a very negative spin on the WC banging on about the Chile fans incident yesterday, talking about a huge police presence at tonight's game (which is not huge just normal) banging on about how corrupt FIFA are, talking about racist/homophobic fan incidents!
So amateurish and bitter.
Cheer up SSN, at least you'll be able to show us some photos of the action after the match tonight HAHA
Anyone getting fed up with the jingoistic nonsense being spouted by Clive Tylsley?
Yes.
He and Townsend have just ignored a blatant dive by Sterling and I couldn't help noticing Tyldesley prefacing a foul by Baines with the comment "his feet weren't too far away from the ball". :mad:
I think it's fair enough for them to be positive towards England but I think it crosses the line when it leads to them painting an inaccurate picture of what's happening on the field.
ITV really missing Roy Keane after that England horror show!
Indeed, particularly because he wouldn't have gone along with the sympathetic "oh England were unlucky, they were just beaten by the world's best striker" line the ITV panel have peddled furiously on the defeat and would have actually apportioned the criticism that it also deserved.
I was disappointed itv didn't mention anything post match about the system change to move Sterling, outstanding in the first match, wide to accommodate the out of sorts Rooney central; his so-called favoured position, It's what the pundits were calling for but England lacked the attacking force shown against Italy. No mention of why that impacted negatively.
Hoping the BBC will do so now in their build up, which will probably be 15 mintes about England and 8 on the Japan v Greece game.
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I have also noticed when having 5live commentary on BBC TV matches, 5live commentators do not describe what I can see, so x player has just passed to y player, and y player shoots and scores!! the 5live commentary will be Alan Green talking about the humidity or something, and then he will only start describing the action, when y player is just about to shoot!
Radio is different to TV. In radio you have to keep speeking to tell the listeners what is happening whilst on tv you don't.
I remember when ITV had the football league on a regional match. LWT would have a commentator whilst Tyne Tees had another for the same match.
Seriously?
I fancy Chile to dish a whoopin' on their opponent in the round of 16.
They've got Heart..and as Ray Walston said:...
Ya gotta have heart, miles and miles and miles of heart
Jp
BBC - 39pct [36pct excluding England]
Itv - 30pct
BBC maintaining their 9 point lead over Itv in the World Cup ratings war, confirming that for the first week of the tournament it has been the Beeb who has chosen the better matches, as well as the fact Itv weekly reach crisis means more limited figures for the commercial brodacasters. An estimated share of 60pct for Itv tonight would still mean the BBC winning by about 6 points after tonights ratings by the way.
Socrates the psychic fish had a perfect record of predicting the winners of World Cup matches, but slipped up after predicting Spain would emerge triumphant in its clash on Wednesday. Instead, Chile beat the champions 2-0.
According to Socrates' official Twitter account, he's 'woken up feeling more deflated than a puffer fish with a puncture'.
Breakfast producer Matt Graveling is willing to give the fish the benefit of the doubt before scaling back his duties. 'I don't think the world was expecting that [result],' he tells Ariel.
Socrates has another chance to redeem his reputation with Thursday's match between England and Uruguay.
To the relief of his producer, the goldfish has predicted the home side will win, meaning that Graveling will not have divided loyalties.
'Gutted' England fan
The 1-1 draw proved controversial until the video was played back It was a different story when the fish predicted England would lose against Italy, he explains. 'As a producer, I had this strange situation watching the Italy game where Italy scored and I was, like, gutted as an England fan but there was a little piece of me that thought, oh, at least the fish was right.'
The fish makes his predictions by swimming towards a flag, where food has been strategically placed.
A draw is called when the fish swims between the two flags, as he did for Russia's match against South Korea, which provoked some controversy.
The whole process is captured on video at 7.50am weekdays and put up on Facebook.
Soaring popularity
Socrates has been the star of Surrey's breakfast show - which is just over a year old - since the World Cup started. Currently, he's the most popular feature the show has ever done, with a record number of tweets, calls, emails and texts.
Graveling thinks it has engaged people because of the fish's record of getting results and his on-air persona, complemented by his Twitter account. He currently has about 75 followers happy to think up fish puns.
After his first mistake on Wednesday, one fan tweeted: 'Keep your fin up! You've been great. Plenty of time to have a 'pond-er' over your next prediction.'
The producer is keen to stress that Socrates' success has been a team effort, although the goldfish was originally his idea. The tank was bought with staff money and they even consulted a vet about the studio's conditions.
Codswallop?
When the tournament wraps up, Socrates will have a new home with breakfast show presenter Cannon and his three young boys.
BBC News web site
So amateurish and bitter.
Cheer up SSN, at least you'll be able to show us some photos of the action after the match tonight
Yes.
He and Townsend have just ignored a blatant dive by Sterling and I couldn't help noticing Tyldesley prefacing a foul by Baines with the comment "his feet weren't too far away from the ball". :mad:
I think it's fair enough for them to be positive towards England but I think it crosses the line when it leads to them painting an inaccurate picture of what's happening on the field.
Are you sure? RTÉ Two and ITV are about 4 seconds apart.
Not likely, since people in the ground were tweeting the Rooney goal at roughly the same time it was shown on ITV HD (within seconds)
Unless ITV Player has slipped through a wormhole I would suggest you may have live paused ITV HD.
Stay classy.
No...
Evidently I wasn't being serious...
Indeed, particularly because he wouldn't have gone along with the sympathetic "oh England were unlucky, they were just beaten by the world's best striker" line the ITV panel have peddled furiously on the defeat and would have actually apportioned the criticism that it also deserved.
Hoping the BBC will do so now in their build up, which will probably be 15 mintes about England and 8 on the Japan v Greece game.
They did so on Tuesday for Brazil v Mexico.